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Post#1201 » by andyhop » Thu May 18, 2017 5:51 am

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Biggsohnasty wrote:Realistically they just need a good player next to him - or good enough to push Dieng into a "3rd big" role.


They need KAT to stop being terrible defensively a lot more than they need to replace the best defender on the team in Dieng.

Dieng is not the best anything on this team, let alone best defender.


He is comfortably the best defender on the team
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Post#1202 » by shangrila » Thu May 18, 2017 7:01 am

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They need KAT to stop being terrible defensively a lot more than they need to replace the best defender on the team in Dieng.

Dieng is not the best anything on this team, let alone best defender.


He is comfortably the best defender on the team

He's not better than Rubio or Dunn.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1203 » by andyhop » Thu May 18, 2017 7:10 am

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shangrila wrote:Dieng is not the best anything on this team, let alone best defender.


He is comfortably the best defender on the team

He's not better than Rubio or Dunn.


LOL.
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Post#1204 » by shangrila » Thu May 18, 2017 7:15 am

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He is comfortably the best defender on the team

He's not better than Rubio or Dunn.


LOL.

So you've got nothing? Good to know.
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Post#1205 » by andyhop » Thu May 18, 2017 7:16 am

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shangrila wrote:He's not better than Rubio or Dunn.


LOL.

So you've got nothing? Good to know.


It was the only answer that wouldn't lead to my getting warnings for insulting your intelligence.
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Post#1206 » by packforfreedom » Thu May 18, 2017 7:33 am

G is a good defender, but he has to guard the opponent's best big man night in and night out, because KAT doesn't get his #### together on defense despite having the far superior physical tools. G is too slow for most opponent 4s and he isn't a real rim protector, so he's not the defensive cornerstone we need. KAT has to become that force. You simply can't afford your starting center to be a one way offense only player.

But I'd still go hard after Favors. He has more of a bruiser mentality a more versatile defender and a better rebounder than G. G's best use would to be the premier big off the bench or a starter in certain matchup situations.
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Post#1207 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu May 18, 2017 8:11 am

Nigel Hayes might go undrafted, Id love to bring him on a guaranteed deal (second round money without actually having a second round pick) because I loved him last year. He is that high motor hustle type we need.

Reading, it looks like his offensive game suffered because he was expected to do too much. However, a team with Ricky, Lavine, wiggins, and KAT, Hayes wont have that burden.
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Post#1208 » by AlfieJaegar » Thu May 18, 2017 8:38 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Nigel Hayes might go undrafted, Id love to bring him on a guaranteed deal (second round money without actually having a second round pick) because I loved him last year. He is that high motor hustle type we need.

Reading, it looks like his offensive game suffered because he was expected to do too much. However, a team with Ricky, Lavine, wiggins, and KAT, Hayes wont have that burden.

This should be the case for our team.We have a team in G-League.We should collect talent as much as we can.There are a lot of good guys that will go undrafted.Peter Jok,Amida Brimah,Kadeem Allen,Georges De Paula and many others.
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Post#1209 » by minimus » Thu May 18, 2017 11:42 am

I have just realized that SAC will draft at 5. This RanaDivac duo can mess up everything
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Post#1210 » by Worm Guts » Thu May 18, 2017 12:12 pm

minimus wrote:I have just realized that SAC will draft at 5. This RanaDivac duo can mess up everything


I'm not sure what you mean, but I think they need to take a PG at 5 since all the top ones could be gone by 10.
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Post#1211 » by Killboard » Thu May 18, 2017 1:54 pm

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minimus wrote:I have just realized that SAC will draft at 5. This RanaDivac duo can mess up everything


I'm not sure what you mean, but I think they need to take a PG at 5 since all the top ones could be gone by 10.


If they like Ntilikina they could take a forward/wing. The way the King blowed up last season they are probably going to tank a couple of seasons. If that is the case they should take high risk/high reward moves. Ntilikina is that type of guy. Markannen is another OFC.
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Post#1212 » by karch34 » Thu May 18, 2017 3:18 pm

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wildvikeswolves wrote:I'm good with either Isaac or Markkanen right now. I like Monk, but is there enough minutes to go around for Wiggins, Lavine, Dunn, and Monk?


Monk is going to be your main scorer off the bench or would possibly even start if LaVine is brought back slow. There are minutes.


I don't see how you have minutes for Lavine and Monk long term, unless you want to play one at PG, which seems like a bad idea.


Are you looking at Wiggins getting a lot of time at SG? If so then I agree with you. If not I could see Ricky and Zach backed up by Dunn and Monk working well,
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Post#1213 » by Worm Guts » Thu May 18, 2017 3:38 pm

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Monk is going to be your main scorer off the bench or would possibly even start if LaVine is brought back slow. There are minutes.


I don't see how you have minutes for Lavine and Monk long term, unless you want to play one at PG, which seems like a bad idea.




Are you looking at Wiggins getting a lot of time at SG? If so then I agree with you. If not I could see Ricky and Zach backed up by Dunn and Monk working well,


Not necessarily, but if someone only backs up one position that's usually only 15-20 minutes per game.
You could take that but I'd only prefer only to do that if I thought Monk was clearly the BPA.
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Post#1214 » by minimus » Thu May 18, 2017 3:48 pm

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minimus wrote:I have just realized that SAC will draft at 5. This RanaDivac duo can mess up everything


I'm not sure what you mean, but I think they need to take a PG at 5 since all the top ones could be gone by 10.


If they like Ntilikina they could take a forward/wing. The way the King blowed up last season they are probably going to tank a couple of seasons. If that is the case they should take high risk/high reward moves. Ntilikina is that type of guy. Markannen is another OFC.


I mean they take Isaac and one of remained PG later.
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Post#1215 » by Worm Guts » Thu May 18, 2017 5:13 pm

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I'm not sure what you mean, but I think they need to take a PG at 5 since all the top ones could be gone by 10.


If they like Ntilikina they could take a forward/wing. The way the King blowed up last season they are probably going to tank a couple of seasons. If that is the case they should take high risk/high reward moves. Ntilikina is that type of guy. Markannen is another OFC.


I mean they take Isaac and one of remained PG later.


Ntilikina could be there at 10, but I think it's a little bit of gamble to assume there will be a lottery caliber PG at that pick.
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Post#1216 » by Nick K » Thu May 18, 2017 6:09 pm

Don't over-think it. Isaac is THE guy! He's the perfect fit at sf/pf. He can shoot, put the ball on the floor, pg skills, can defend, rebound. He has all-around high level skills. I think he's easily a top 3 player in the draft. I believe in him like I did with Curry, KAT, Lillard, Wall and Love.

I'm scared to death he's picked before us or were too stupid as a team not to take him.
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Post#1217 » by Mattya » Thu May 18, 2017 6:17 pm

Nick K wrote:Don't over-think it. Isaac is THE guy! He's the perfect fit at sf/pf. He can shoot, put the ball on the floor, pg skills, can defend, rebound. He has all-around high level skills. I think he's easily a top 3 player in the draft. I believe in him like I did with Curry, KAT, Lillard, Wall and Love.

I'm scared to death he's picked before us or were too stupid as a team not to take him.


Isaac doesn't have point guard skills, and can only dribble some. His strength on offense is moving with out the ball and the potential to be a spot up floor spacer.
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Post#1218 » by Nick K » Thu May 18, 2017 6:53 pm

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Nick K wrote:Don't over-think it. Isaac is THE guy! He's the perfect fit at sf/pf. He can shoot, put the ball on the floor, pg skills, can defend, rebound. He has all-around high level skills. I think he's easily a top 3 player in the draft. I believe in him like I did with Curry, KAT, Lillard, Wall and Love.

I'm scared to death he's picked before us or were too stupid as a team not to take him.


Isaac doesn't have point guard skills, and can only dribble some. His strength on offense is moving with out the ball and the potential to be a spot up floor spacer.


I disagree. He handles the ball much better than "some". The key to this guy is he has multiple strengths on both sides of the ball. Plus, he's the perfect fit for need next to Towns. All the stars are aligning up in our favor. Like I say, don't over-think it.
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Post#1219 » by Mattya » Thu May 18, 2017 6:59 pm

Nick K wrote:
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Nick K wrote:Don't over-think it. Isaac is THE guy! He's the perfect fit at sf/pf. He can shoot, put the ball on the floor, pg skills, can defend, rebound. He has all-around high level skills. I think he's easily a top 3 player in the draft. I believe in him like I did with Curry, KAT, Lillard, Wall and Love.

I'm scared to death he's picked before us or were too stupid as a team not to take him.


Isaac doesn't have point guard skills, and can only dribble some. His strength on offense is moving with out the ball and the potential to be a spot up floor spacer.


I disagree. He handles the ball much better than "some". The key to this guy is he has multiple strengths on both sides of the ball. Plus, he's the perfect fit for need next to Towns. All the stars are aligning up in our favor. Like I say, don't over-think it.


If he had these handles he would use them to get to the basket, he usually just ends up settling for jumpers if he has the ball in his hands. I've been aboard the Isaac bandwagon longer than most, but handles are not his strength, but i'm not saying he is Wes Johnson bad at dribbling either. We don't need him to handle the ball on offense. Spot up, or move without the ball. If you can find more than a handful of examples of him using his handle to get the rim, especially in the half court, I would be surprised.
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Post#1220 » by TheProdigy » Thu May 18, 2017 7:17 pm

Zach Collins has a 9'3 standing reach but only a 7'1 wingspan. How is that even possible?

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