Trade Offers for MIN's #7?

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Nope. Favors contract situation, and play/injuries diminish his value significantly in my eyes. Lyles doesn't make up the difference.

Here we go with the Favors health thing again...

Enlighten me on why Favors injuries don't impact his trade value.

Does AD's injury history hurt his trade value? Does Kemba Walkers off-season knee surgery hurt his trade value? Does Kevin Love's past injuries greatly damage his trade value?

Favors is a top 30 talent when healthy. This season, he had a simple knee bone bruise that wouldn't go away. He'll be fine after this off-season.The season before, he had some back issues, but those never arose again this season, so we can assume those are done. Before then, he had very minor injuries that are normal wear and tear type injuries for NBA players.

[coolness]

Ish Smith. He's not worth it on realgm probably, but maybe irl. Elite at back-up pg.

Add Marcus Morris for Dunn (it's been talked about here by Minny and Detroit fans.)

Add Hilliard and 2nd's just because I'm a Piston fan and would want this to happen.
Hilliard can shoot 3's, but never gets enough time to be in a groove. He can play some pg and sf too.

So Ish Smith, Marcus Morris, Hilliard and some 2nds for #7 and Dunn? I'm not sure if you're serious here.

Yeh. I'm serious in the sense that Marcus for Dunn was already a thing here and now I'm wondering how far Ish and 7th are apart.
I bet Ish is better the next two seasons than whoever is picked 7th.
But, if it's still crazy, it's crazy.

P.S. don't look up Hilliard's shooting percentages from this season. I had no idea they were that awful.

[moss_is_1]

Ish Smith. He's not worth it on realgm probably, but maybe irl. Elite at back-up pg.

Add Marcus Morris for Dunn (it's been talked about here by Minny and Detroit fans.)

Add Hilliard and 2nd's just because I'm a Piston fan and would want this to happen.
Hilliard can shoot 3's, but never gets enough time to be in a groove. He can play some pg and sf too.

So Ish Smith, Marcus Morris, Hilliard and some 2nds for #7 and Dunn? I'm not sure if you're serious here.

Yeh. I'm serious in the sense that Marcus for Dunn was already a thing here and now I'm wondering how far Ish and 7th are apart.
I bet Ish is better the next two seasons than whoever is picked 7th.
But, if it's still crazy, it's crazy.

P.S. don't look up Hilliard's shooting percentages from this season. I had no idea they were that awful.

Dunn and Morris are close. Ish Smith just isn't worth anywhere close to the 7th pick. I think he's a decent backup, problem is you can always find a backup in free agency. I think it'd be hard to even get a 1st for him.

[YourBuddy]

Here we go with the Favors health thing again...

Enlighten me on why Favors injuries don't impact his trade value.

Does AD's injury history hurt his trade value? Does Kemba Walkers off-season knee surgery hurt his trade value? Does Kevin Love's past injuries greatly damage his trade value?

Favors is a top 30 talent when healthy. This season, he had a simple knee bone bruise that wouldn't go away. He'll be fine after this off-season.The season before, he had some back issues, but those never arose again this season, so we can assume those are done. Before then, he had very minor injuries that are normal wear and tear type injuries for NBA players.

"when healthy," but he wasn't healthy this season. You want the Wolves to trade some of the most cost controlled assets for someone who was missing games from injury, along with his play this season and contract status(which you clearly don't seem to disagree hurt his value).

We will just ignore the Anthony Davis stuff. There is no trade value for Davis because he is infinitely more valuable a player than Favors. But, if you were comparing similarly untraceable players to Anthony Davis, absolutely his injuries might hurt his value in comparison to another similarly valuable player. Kemba Walker's situation didn't make him miss any games, so another significant difference.

[YourBuddy]

Ish Smith. He's not worth it on realgm probably, but maybe irl. Elite at back-up pg.

Add Marcus Morris for Dunn (it's been talked about here by Minny and Detroit fans.)

Add Hilliard and 2nd's just because I'm a Piston fan and would want this to happen.
Hilliard can shoot 3's, but never gets enough time to be in a groove. He can play some pg and sf too.

So Ish Smith, Marcus Morris, Hilliard and some 2nds for #7 and Dunn? I'm not sure if you're serious here.

Yeh. I'm serious in the sense that Marcus for Dunn was already a thing here and now I'm wondering how far Ish and 7th are apart.
I bet Ish is better the next two seasons than whoever is picked 7th.
But, if it's still crazy, it's crazy.

P.S. don't look up Hilliard's shooting percentages from this season. I had no idea they were that awful.

Drastically.

[coolness]

So Ish Smith, Marcus Morris, Hilliard and some 2nds for #7 and Dunn? I'm not sure if you're serious here.

Yeh. I'm serious in the sense that Marcus for Dunn was already a thing here and now I'm wondering how far Ish and 7th are apart.
I bet Ish is better the next two seasons than whoever is picked 7th.
But, if it's still crazy, it's crazy.

P.S. don't look up Hilliard's shooting percentages from this season. I had no idea they were that awful.

Drastically.

That goes down better because of your screen name, but Ish can't be a bust.
He might be as good or better than Reggie Jackson, but cheaper and not deluded.

But, I'll still surrender. The fact that I want that 1st on Detroit is good enough reason. I've read comments about "Thibs wants to win now" though and that is believable, so it isn't out of nowhere.

[YourBuddy]

Yeh. I'm serious in the sense that Marcus for Dunn was already a thing here and now I'm wondering how far Ish and 7th are apart.
I bet Ish is better the next two seasons than whoever is picked 7th.
But, if it's still crazy, it's crazy.

P.S. don't look up Hilliard's shooting percentages from this season. I had no idea they were that awful.

Drastically.

That goes down better because of your screen name, but Ish can't be a bust.
He might be as good or better than Reggie Jackson, but cheaper and not deluded.

But, I'll still surrender. The fact that I want that 1st on Detroit is good enough reason. I've read comments about "Thibs wants to win now" though and that is believable, so it isn't out of nowhere.

That really isn't saying much this season though.

Thibs wanting to win doesn't mean they are just going to give up some ridiculous value for Ish Smith. I mean, you can start a poll comparing Ish Smith to the pick. I just think your valuation on Smith is very very far off.

[City of Trees]

I'd love to see the argument that Beal at an average of 25 million/year is a better asset than Middleton at 14 million/year.

Middleton is a good bargain for this upcoming season and the next. Still, that doesn't make him the better player. The bargain is only temporary.

Look, I dont want you thinking I'm trashing Middleton because im not. IMO Beal and CJ are better.
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His contract runs through the 2019-2020 season (3 more seasons). He is 1 of the best value contracts in the league. That aside, even with his injury this year has been far more durable than Beal and is regarded as far superior defensively. If Beal is better, it is hard to imagine an argument for Beal being the better value

3rd year is a player option. You know he's going to opt out and go $23M +

You keep saying value, I've said from my first post Beal is the better player.

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[Streakers33]

Covington+ for 7?


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Okafor, Covington, and a future first for 7 and Aldrich


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Depending on the first I think it's possible that could be worked out.




U have many. Offer one..



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[shrink]

Not even nibbles on the Favors, Lyles, Diaw for #7, Payne and Aldrich offer, eh?

Nope. Favors contract situation, and play/injuries diminish his value significantly in my eyes. Lyles doesn't make up the difference.

Here we go with the Favors health thing again...

Your own team was unwilling to renegotiate Favors deal while he was injured, when their current cap space could have been used to the benefit of both team and player.

If the Jazz, who know more about Favors' health than any other team, wouldn't do it because of the injury risk going forward, you can't be surprised that other teams would also be concerned.

[shrink]

MIN doesn't have enough cap room to offer him a full max, so what about a SNT for Paul Millsap, the vet Thibs is looking for?

You could dump some unwanted contracts in the process: 1st + Rubio + Aldrich + whatever.

ATL drafts a young PF.

MIN doesn't really have any bad contracts, and could easily create the slim amount of extra space, if they even wanted to make a max offer to Milsap.

Incidentally, Milsap was in Minneapolis last week -- not to see the team, but for medical consult. i hope Thibs at least took him out to dinner!

[Streakers33]

And with millsap u offer him a two year max or four years at like 20 mil a year.. u tell him he gets paid now or wants a long deal he needs to be team friendly if he wants to play for a winner.. period. If he can't understand that.. we are forced to move on..


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[shrink]

Ish Smith. He's not worth it on realgm probably, but maybe irl. Elite at back-up pg.

It's ironic that I talked trade with a good DET poster yesterday. We came close to a deal with Stanley Johnson involved, and at the end he said that they's probably draft a PG, so would we be willing to take Ish Smith for nothing (cap space), and I was unsure.

I certainly don't think Ish Smith has the value to get you the #7 pick. I doubt any back up PG in the NBA does.

[BullyKing]

Ish Smith. He's not worth it on realgm probably, but maybe irl. Elite at back-up pg.

It's ironic that I talked trade with a good DET poster yesterday. We came close to a deal with Stanley Johnson involved, and at the end he said that they's probably draft a PG, so would we be willing to take Ish Smith for nothing (cap space), and I was unsure.

I certainly don't think Ish Smith has the value to get you the #7 pick. I doubt any back up PG in the NBA does.

Most starting point guards don't have the value to get you the #7 pick. I can't believe how much time has been spent in this thread discussing something around Ish for 7 as if it was anything but a non-serious proposal. I mean if you want TJ McConnell for 7, call us.

[PickMeUpASixer]

Okafor, Covington, and a future first for 7 and Aldrich


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Depending on the first I think it's possible that could be worked out.




U have many. Offer one..



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Oak, Covington and PHI 2019 1st (protected top 10 for 3 years then becomes 2 2nds) for 7 + contract

Would also consider a package designed around 3 for 7 + Rubio or Lavine

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Nope. Favors contract situation, and play/injuries diminish his value significantly in my eyes. Lyles doesn't make up the difference.

Here we go with the Favors health thing again...

Your own team was unwilling to renegotiate Favors deal while he was injured, when their current cap space could have been used to the benefit of both team and player.

If the Jazz, who know more about Favors' health than any other team, wouldn't do it because of the injury risk going forward, you can't be surprised that other teams would also be concerned.

They weren't unwilling, Favors wanted a larger deal via free agency... he singed an extension last time around and didn't want to do that again. Not on the Jazz.

[shrink]

Depending on the first I think it's possible that could be worked out.




U have many. Offer one..



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Oak, Covington and PHI 2019 1st (protected top 10 for 3 years then becomes 2 2nds) for 7 + contract

Would also consider a package designed around 3 for 7 + Rubio or Lavine

I don't think MIn is going to give you much value for Okafor. The NBA has a glut of centers, which drives the price down. Many teams are going small at the 5 now, and that's not Okafor. Those that don't go small at least want a rim protector, and that's not Okafor either. Finally, MIN already has Towns (who they should develop as unguardable stretch 5, and Dieng, and Cole Aldrich for another year.

Phi has some interesting pieces that I'm sure MIN would be interested in, but Okafor is probably not one of them.

[PickMeUpASixer]

Depending on the first I think it's possible that could be worked out.




U have many. Offer one..



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Oak, Covington and PHI 2019 1st (protected top 10 for 3 years then becomes 2 2nds) for 7 + contract

Would also consider a package designed around 3 for 7 + Rubio or Lavine

I don't think MIn is going to give you much value for Okafor. The NBA has a glut of centers, which drives the price down. Many teams are going small at the 5 now, and that's not Okafor. Those that don't go small at least want a rim protector, and that's not Okafor either. Finally, MIN already has Towns (who they should develop as unguardable stretch 5, and Dieng, and Cole Aldrich for another year.

Phi has some interesting pieces that I'm sure MIN would be interested in, but Okafor is probably not one of them.

Yeah, don't think Oak is worth too much, the centerpiece of that first deal is definitely Covington, I don't really think the deal works that well, but I thought I'd throw out a pick based on what was on the table.

[parson]

And with millsap u offer him a two year max or four years at like 20 mil a year.

You intend to offer him a pay DECREASE? You realize he made $20,072,033 this past year, right?

u tell him he gets paid now or wants a long deal he needs to be team friendly if he wants to play for a winner.. period.

Atlanta Hawks: 43-39; in the playoffs every year since 2007-08
Minnesota Timberwolves: 31-51; last time they were in the playoffs was 2003-04.

The Hawks do not have to SNT Millsap; we probably won't because we can offer him the 5-year max, let him continue to lead our team and still be able to trade him to a team looking for a playoff boost in 3 years if we want assets. We're young enough with our starters (I"m not counting Dwight Howard because I see him gone ... and the draft seems to offer us replacement possibilities) that we can afford to pay Millsap what he wants, play him, watch him age just as the younger players start getting expensive and then use his salary to possibly pay a FA to take his place in 5 years.

I'm simply trying to ascertain Millsap's value if he wants to leave. A team that cannot afford to just pay him the max needs the SNT.

It seems that the Timberwolves' cap space will be somewhere between $30 million ( as per Basketball Insiders - http://www.basketballinsiders.com/projecting-2017-18-nba-cap-room-under-new-deal-terms/ and Hoopshype - http://hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota_timberwolves/) to $33 million I saw in a MIN forum ... IF they dump every expiring contract they have. Paul Millsap wants $35.8 million.

[HartfordWhalers]

The Hawks do not have to SNT Millsap; we probably won't because we can offer him the 5-year max, let him continue to lead our team and still be able to trade him to a team looking for a playoff boost in 3 years if we want assets.

I wouldn't count on Milsap being positive value in 3 years. he should sign a contract big enough that by that time he has used up his positive value and is negative remaining value.