A Trade For Giannis Antetokounmpo

[nolang1]

If Lebron can barely win a title with Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, and a bevy of rotational pieces (and probably can't this year), he's not winning one with Malcolm Brogdon, Khris Middleton, Tony Snell, Greg Monroe, and Thon Maker.

How about you check what Kevin Love did in the Finals last year and get back to us. Rotational pieces are easy to come across if you're willing to part with future draft picks, and guys like Smith, Frye, and Korver were thought to be on their way out of the league until they got to play with LeBron.

Yet he still produced for a team that won 57 games..........

You're not making a point. Lebron still needs help.

What are you going on about? This season or pretty much any other from the recent past shows that the number of regular season games won for LeBron is irrelevant. He got a half-season from Love this year and they still won 51. Obviously someone like Delly looks significantly better playing next to LeBron than Giannis at this point.

And as I said, it's the kind of help a team can easily come across. Any team with LeBron is automatically on the shortlist for ring chasers and any top free agent open to changing teams - Lowry and Millsap would be a couple examples. Throw Monroe, Parker, Maker, and all Milwaukee's future draft picks into the ring and you can surely get an All-Star caliber player and some solid vets in return.

If you want to talk about not making a point, I'd start with "LeBron needs help" or "LeBron never wins a championship in his first year with a team" considering that if you were to rank NBA champions or finalists over the past 20+ years by the amount of "help" a star player had, you'd find many of LeBron's teams near the bottom. The last time he changed teams, Cleveland gave Golden State a tougher series than any team out West did despite Kyrie and Love being injured, and he has arguably gotten better since then.

[skones]

How about you check what Kevin Love did in the Finals last year and get back to us. Rotational pieces are easy to come across if you're willing to part with future draft picks, and guys like Smith, Frye, and Korver were thought to be on their way out of the league until they got to play with LeBron.

Yet he still produced for a team that won 57 games..........

You're not making a point. Lebron still needs help.

What are you going on about? This season or pretty much any other from the recent past shows that the number of regular season games won for LeBron is irrelevant. He got a half-season from Love this year and they still won 51. Obviously someone like Delly looks significantly better playing next to LeBron than Giannis at this point.

And as I said, it's the kind of help a team can easily come across. Any team with LeBron is automatically on the shortlist for ring chasers and any top free agent open to changing teams - Lowry and Millsap would be a couple examples. Throw Parker, Maker, and all Milwaukee's future draft picks into the ring and you can surely get an All-Star caliber player and some solid vets in return.

You're not being realistic about player acquisition, or the difficulty of patching together a bunch of players to win a championship in three months. That's really all that needs to be said.

[MrPerfect1]

How about you check what Kevin Love did in the Finals last year and get back to us. Rotational pieces are easy to come across if you're willing to part with future draft picks, and guys like Smith, Frye, and Korver were thought to be on their way out of the league until they got to play with LeBron.

Yet he still produced for a team that won 57 games..........

You're not making a point. Lebron still needs help.

What are you going on about? This season or pretty much any other from the recent past shows that the number of regular season games won for LeBron is irrelevant. He got a half-season from Love this year and they still won 51. Obviously someone like Delly looks significantly better playing next to LeBron than Giannis at this point.

And as I said, it's the kind of help a team can easily come across. Any team with LeBron is automatically on the shortlist for ring chasers and any top free agent open to changing teams - Lowry and Millsap would be a couple examples. Throw Monroe, Parker, Maker, and all Milwaukee's future draft picks into the ring and you can surely get an All-Star caliber player and some solid vets in return.

I'm sure tons of FA's would be lining up to sign in MIL so that they could be stuck on a 30 win team once Lebron bails in 1 year....

All this is not even mentioning that Lebron has NEVER won a title his 1st year with a team. It takes time to learn how to play with other players and gel as a team. Lebron couldn't win a Title the 1st year in either MIA or CLE with both teams having 2 other All NBA caliber players. Suddenly though he will lead MIL to a title in year 1 with 0 other All NBA caliber players....

[nolang1]

Yet he still produced for a team that won 57 games..........

You're not making a point. Lebron still needs help.

What are you going on about? This season or pretty much any other from the recent past shows that the number of regular season games won for LeBron is irrelevant. He got a half-season from Love this year and they still won 51. Obviously someone like Delly looks significantly better playing next to LeBron than Giannis at this point.

And as I said, it's the kind of help a team can easily come across. Any team with LeBron is automatically on the shortlist for ring chasers and any top free agent open to changing teams - Lowry and Millsap would be a couple examples. Throw Parker, Maker, and all Milwaukee's future draft picks into the ring and you can surely get an All-Star caliber player and some solid vets in return.

You're not being realistic about player acquisition. That's really all that needs to be said.

The Cavs traded Wiggins and some dead weight in Bennett to get Love, who was in the last year of his contract and regarded as one of the best 10 or so players in the league. Surely Parker and a first or two would be enough to get a one season rental of a mid-tier/lower-tier All-Star who's a threat to leave the team he's on.

Obviously Milwaukee would not trade LeBron for Giannis straight up, but "there's no way they would even make the Finals with LeBron next year" is not the reason. It's that Giannis could give them a chance to make many Finals trips over the next 10-15 years.

Here's a lazy example: attach a draft pick or two to shed cap space and sign Millsap. Then you have

PG: Brogdon
SG: Middleton
SF: LeBron
PF: Millsap
C: Maker

You're seriously telling me that couldn't beat this year's Celtics team? Then of course you can trade Parker, Monroe, other draft picks to bolster the roster even further. It's possible for every team to take those sort of short-term gambles and massively upgrade their talent level, but most are afraid to do it because LeBron may still beat them anyway.

[skones]

What are you going on about? This season or pretty much any other from the recent past shows that the number of regular season games won for LeBron is irrelevant. He got a half-season from Love this year and they still won 51. Obviously someone like Delly looks significantly better playing next to LeBron than Giannis at this point.

And as I said, it's the kind of help a team can easily come across. Any team with LeBron is automatically on the shortlist for ring chasers and any top free agent open to changing teams - Lowry and Millsap would be a couple examples. Throw Parker, Maker, and all Milwaukee's future draft picks into the ring and you can surely get an All-Star caliber player and some solid vets in return.

You're not being realistic about player acquisition. That's really all that needs to be said.

The Cavs traded Wiggins and some dead weight in Bennett to get Love, who was in the last year of his contract and regarded as one of the best 10 or so players in the league. Surely Parker and a first or two would be enough to get a one season rental of a mid-tier lower-tier All-Star who's a threat to leave the team he's on.

Obviously Milwaukee would not trade LeBron for Giannis straight up, but "there's no way they would even make the Finals with LeBron next year" is not the reason. It's that Giannis could give them a chance to make many Finals trips over the next 10-15 years.

Here's a lazy example: attach a draft pick or two to shed cap space and sign Millsap. Then you have

PG: Brogdon
SG: Middleton
SF: LeBron
PF: Millsap
C: Maker

You're seriously telling me that couldn't beat this year's Celtics team? Then of course you can trade Parker, Monroe, other draft picks to bolster the roster even further. It's possible for every team to take those sort of short-term gambles and massively upgrade their talent level, but most are afraid to do it because LeBron may still beat them anyway.

Monroe is either on the team or a free agent without bird rights. Parker tore his ACL for the 2nd time. How many draft picks are you dealing exactly? Like I said, youre not being realistic.

[nolang1]

You're not being realistic about player acquisition. That's really all that needs to be said.

The Cavs traded Wiggins and some dead weight in Bennett to get Love, who was in the last year of his contract and regarded as one of the best 10 or so players in the league. Surely Parker and a first or two would be enough to get a one season rental of a mid-tier lower-tier All-Star who's a threat to leave the team he's on.

Obviously Milwaukee would not trade LeBron for Giannis straight up, but "there's no way they would even make the Finals with LeBron next year" is not the reason. It's that Giannis could give them a chance to make many Finals trips over the next 10-15 years.

Here's a lazy example: attach a draft pick or two to shed cap space and sign Millsap. Then you have

PG: Brogdon
SG: Middleton
SF: LeBron
PF: Millsap
C: Maker

You're seriously telling me that couldn't beat this year's Celtics team? Then of course you can trade Parker, Monroe, other draft picks to bolster the roster even further. It's possible for every team to take those sort of short-term gambles and massively upgrade their talent level, but most are afraid to do it because LeBron may still beat them anyway.

Monroe is either on the team or a free agent without bird rights. Parker tore his ACL for the 2nd time. How many draft picks are you dealing exactly? Like I said, youre not being realistic.

Jesus man, that starting 5, plus ring-chasers, plus whatever random guys end up getting bought out would be enough to win the East. If Giannis magically becomes an above-average jump shooter over the offseason and the Bucks got Millsap, I'd surely consider them the 2nd-best team in the East and would give them a good chance at finally knocking off the Cavs.

Everything beyond that hypothetical 5 is just personal preference. Letting Monroe walk and signing another shooter would probably give them a better chance against the Warriors, you could hold onto Jabari if you really wanted to or couldn't get anything for him, and so on. As for how realistic it is, Cleveland has literally traded away the maximum number of draft picks possible from now until 2020 to help them acquire Smith, Shumpert, Korver, and Frye; I don't think they regret that decision too much.

[RR9]

#1 + Crowder for Giannis?

[Gam]

There are two truly untouchable players in the league, LeBron and Steph. Every team would literally trade away ALL of their top assets for the opportunity to sign either for even a one year deal.

To say that Giannis or Jokic or KAT are even in that conversation yet is beyond laughable

You're legitimately 100% wrong.

If Minnesota or Milwaukee are approached and they're offered Lebron, on a 1 year deal for KAT or Giannis, both of those teams say no. You don't mortgage your future by dealing away a future league cornerstone for one year of Lebron. It just doesn't happen. There's a reason Giannis and KAT were both higher on the trade board trade value list.

I'm not wrong. If you have a LEGIT opportunity to win a title with LeBron or Curry you take that. Even on a one year deal. I'm not even crediting the windfall of cash you'd bring in by bringing in either of those guys.

To me, LeBron and Curry are the two guys in the league who are head and shoulders above everyone else (talent + marketability.) I don't think anyone is even in the same universe as either.

Thank **** god you're not our GM.