2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

[SelfishPlayer]

I don't like Fultz or Jackson as prospects, but I'm elated that Boston will most likely select Fultz because that creates a smallish backcourt that can easily be exploited by creating switches onto bigger offensive players like Embiid and Simmons. Isaiah Thomas, Fultz, Jaylen Brown, those are three players that I believe can not compete against Simmons/Embiid when switched onto them.

[Unbreakable99]

I think it's highly likely that Jawun Evans is going to be a productive NBA player. My thing with him is that in order for me to want him to be my PG, he's gotta be Tim Hardaway and not just Ty Lawson. He's gotta be so freaking good offensively that I won't even care that he gets torched on the other end.

Evans as a offensive minded backup PG to run the 2nd unit would be good for any team.

[LloydFree]

Upside. Jonathan Isaac or Josh Jackson?

Jackson has the higher floor and has the higher upside. At worst (his realistic true outcome) Jackson can be another Andre Iguodala. At best, he develops a bit of a jumpshot and has normal body development and he becomes something resembling Scottie Pippen. Jackson is a better ball-handler, has better body control, has better court awareness, is a better passer and plays with a mean streak. Jonathan Isaac is a better shooter and is longer. I wouldn't be surprised if Isaac could become a more mobile version of Myles Turner or a better ball handling Serge Ibaka. But I think Isaac has a much longer road to reaching his potential. He needs to develop a mean streak, gain a bunch of weight and needs to be put on a team that will let him play as a stretch 4.

[Sixerscan]

I think jimmy butler is a more realistic absolute best case scenario than pippen. Pippen at least seemed a lot longer and I don't think you can expect Jackson to ever be that level of ball handler. I also think projecting Pippen's level of defensive awareness on anyone short of like Lebron or Jordan is unfair.

[LloydFree]

I think jimmy butler is a more realistic absolute best case scenario than pippen. Pippen at least seemed a lot longer and I don't think you can expect Jackson to ever be that level of ball handler. I also think projecting Pippen's level of defensive awareness on anyone short of like Lebron or Jordan is unfair.

Yeah I agree. Expecting a player to become Pippen is not fair, but I was more or less describing the type of player he could "resemble" IF he were to reach an ultimate ceiling.

[SelfishPlayer]

I just looked into Bryan Colangelo's past and came to the decision that Josh Jackson will be his pick. He has no history of drafting a fast dynamic explosive PG anything like De'aaron Fox but he did draft Demar Derozan, Stephen Jackson, and Shawn Merion. He drafted Steve Nash, but D'Antoni is critical to what happened during his return to the Suns. There is a reason that the Colangelo's have never won an NBA championship, their mediocrity is a habit/skill. I expect him to utilize his learned skill with who he drafts... So we'll have two small forwards in the starting lineup again like the days of Iggy and Evan Turner.

[Unbreakable99]

I just looked into Bryan Colangelo's past and came to the decision that Josh Jackson will be his pick. He has no history of drafting a fast dynamic explosive PG anything like De'aaron Fox but he did draft Demar Derozan, Stephen Jackson, and Shawn Merion. He drafted Steve Nash, but D'Antoni is critical to what happened during his return to the Suns. There is a reason that the Colangelo's have never won an NBA championship, their mediocrity is a habit/skill. I expect him to utilize his learned skill with who he drafts... So we'll have two small forwards in the starting lineup again like the days of Iggy and Evan Turner.

Colangelo and Brown are very clear on what type of player they want. They have said over and over they value defense and want players who play defense and they also value shooter and want someone who can space the floor. I mean every GM wants this so this isn't anything ground breaking but I'm just telling you what they say. They want to play with pace and space. They both also have said they are looking more at fit in this draft and not just BPA.

When I think of all that I come to a few conclusions. They love Jackson on defense but might be a little hesitant on how much he can space the floor. They love Isaac. Since they have Simmons and Embiid they might be ok with a defensive dog like Jackson who won't have to carry the load and can guard the best or second best perimeter player with Covington and I think they love how their defense would look with him. I think BC is open to trading the pick though and that is part of the "fit" thing he was talking about. I think they would trade back to 4 or 5 and happily draft Isaac.

They have been wanting a PG forever though and each draft we have yet to draft a PG because they were already taken. I think they really want a PG. If we got the Lakers pick I think the 2nd pick would be a PG but I think they will trade back in the 1st round and get a PG. Colangelo isn't going to let Simmons run the point all by himself. BC wants to maximize Simmons' ability and that's having good shooters around him. BC wants someone who can shoot very well. That's not Jackson but he might do too many things well besides shoot a jumper. I think BC would like to get some shooters in FA. BC will probably go all out to try to get a veteran PG this offseason regardless. With all that said I think Colangelo will either stay at 3 and draft Jackson if he's there or Ball if he's there. But if a team blows him away with an offer I think he will trade back and draft Isaac. He seems hellbent on getting a stretch 4 to overtake Saric or push him. I think it's either Jackson or Ball at 3 or trade back and get assets and draft Isaac.

[PhilasFinest]

I seriously wonder why some people post on this board.

If all you have you do is mope, complain and post negative comments.....why even bother following the team?

[PhilasFinest]

I hope we look to use at least 1-2 of our 2nd rounders. Adding some new development pieces (Non-Euro Stash) on cheap deals to try and groom around our core is going to be important with guys starting to come up on extensions.

Covingtons contract is in the last year. He's probably gonna command like 15-20M a year.
Embiid is going to require a MAX extension.

Jawun Evans- Will go in the mid/late 1st round....but is a interesting PG prospect.

Sindarius Thornwell- Rugged, experienced wing. Perfect piece to try and develop into a 2-way rotation wing. Has "Norman Powell" upside.

Semi Ojeleye- Atheltic combo forward who shot 42% from 3 and can do a bit of everything. Has a motor, is jacked and could be a steal in the 2nd round.Has "Jae Crowder" upside.

PJ Dozier- Project combo guard. Needs work on his shot, but his athleticism, size and length could make for a tantalizing development project for Brown.

Josh Hart- Could see him carving out a niche as a "3 and D" wing. 40% 3 point shooter.

Wes Inwundu - Wing that is a hair under 6'7", with a 7'1" wingspan and shot 37% from 3. May need some polishing, but has the tools to become a contributing perimeter player on both sides of the ball.

[Kobblehead]

The only 40% shooter I'm 100% sold on, on the defensive end of the floor is SMU's Sterling Brown. I've mentioned this a lot, but I think he's Danny Green 2.0.

6'6" 230 pounds SG with a 6'9.5" wingspan.

[Unbreakable99]

I really like this Derrick White guy. I hope BC trades up to get him or Juwun Evans.

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[Kobblehead]

I really like this Derrick White guy. I hope BC trades up to get him or Juwun Evans.

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I knew it was only a matter of time before the jig was up on his secret status. Saw him creep into the late first mocks last week. Wouldn't surprise me if he jumped to the lotto before it was all said and done.

[PhilasFinest]

The only 40% shooter I'm 100% sold on, on the defensive end of the floor is SMU's Sterling Brown. I've mentioned this a lot, but I think he's Danny Green 2.0.

6'6" 230 pounds SG with a 6'9.5" wingspan.

Didnt realize he was Shannon Brown's brother.

Also, can't believe Nigel Williams-Goss is being mocked as a late 2nd rounder. Id def take him on our team as a project PG.

[shawn_hemp]

I forget who I was talking to it about but somehow Damyean Dotson from Houston got brought up because I made a post about Dominic Artis and someone was like "I actually like the other guy who was accused of rape"

6'5 SG who shot 44.3% from 3pt on 7.6 3PA per game this year!

Not noted for his defense or getting to the line really but this dude is a gunner and someone Id be happy to draft in the 2nd round and hope he can play some kind of defense.

I'd be more than happy to give up on taking Malik Monk if we at least get Dotson

Or Dominic Artis, I wouldn't be surprised if he made an NBA roster as an UFA

His ball handling skills are legit and he can really dish the ball around. Kinda short (think he's about 6'1) but he can be active on the defensive end as far as getting steals goes

I have been following Oregon basketball since Dana Altman became the coach and I remember that team was pretty good.

Dotson, Artis, Joe Young, Jonathan Loyd, Jason Calliste. They've had some real good guards in college at least.

The thing about Dotson is that he has this odd shooting habit where when he catches the ball he almost like lowers it before raising it up over his head. If Malik Monk's catch and shoot release is a 10, Dotson's is like a 6. Seems like it takes him a while to actually take the shot. But they go in...

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[Negrodamus]

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Honestly, don't see anything in here that's a cause for concern. If anything, his lateral quickness, or maybe his ability to cover space (like Covington), is under appreciated. And two things that we can never get enough of, rebounding and deflections, he is damn good at as a SF.

Like I said earlier, he's not a good post defender. He is a pretty good back side defender though. He and Covington can bring additional back side rim protection.

[Unbreakable99]

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Honestly, don't see anything in here that's a cause for concern. If anything, his lateral quickness, or maybe his ability to cover space (like Covington), is under appreciated. And two things that we can never get enough of, rebounding and deflections, he is damn good at as a SF.

Like I said earlier, he's not a good post defender. He is a pretty good back side defender though. He and Covington can bring additional back side rim protection.

I like Tatum's demeanor and mentality.

[SelfishPlayer]

Future top notch NBA players have a way of making it look very easy against non pros. 1:53 watch De'aaron Fox outrun an attempted trap with his first step! Most talented player in the draft...

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[Negrodamus]

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Jeez, this paints his defense in a positive light. If he can play like the first half of this video consistently, he might be the best or second best player in this draft. Even when he's contesting shots and they are going in, that's fine to me. In the NBA, everyone makes shots. It's the players that force turnovers/deflections that make the biggest impact.

I might have been sleeping on DSJ a bit. He definitely has the numbers on offense to be worthy of top 3.

I could see him annihilating people in one on ones and moving up the board.

[Mik317]

yeah Smith is a bit of a dark horse. His workouts and probably more important interviews are going to be big for him. Apparently his killed his Magic workout

[PLO]

We're really in a sticky spot at three, tryouts will be really important - there are a slew of players we could pick at three that could well also fall all the way to something like the 9th pick.