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Johnny Bball wrote:
Nowhere else to put this, so I'll leave it here...start at 2:25, after ranting about something else, John Oliver describes pineapple on pizza about as accurately as possible
Yallbecrazy wrote:My opinions
Top skills to look for in a prospect:
#1- passing- assist to TOV ratio- BBIQ is so critically important.
#2a-work ethic
#2b shot not broken-shooting form
#3 athleticism/length/defensive IQ
Unsure how a lot of these prospects fit in #1 and #2. You're not going to get an elite shooter in the draft outside of the top couple picks that isn't extremely flawed in other aspects of the game. You need guys that can work within an offense while developing their shot+ rest of their game with the added time they'll get to as they turn professional.
I think #2b rules out Diallo as being a good pick in the 1st round. #1 I think rules out Justin Jackson from Maryland, high negative assist/TO ratio. OG could be a really good pick, but I doubt he'll be around, that being said this draft is so deep that someone high could drop.
Other draft notes
-Dennis Smith JR will be a bust
-Jonathon Jeanne seems like an unskilled, longer Durant. Rail thin frame, quick feet though. Can protect the rim, but will be pushed around like a child in the NBA and may have a tough time adding weight. Very poor PnR instincts is his biggest downfall right now.
HeadtopChunes wrote:Don't diss pineapple pizza it's a great Canadian tradition.
Yallbecrazy wrote:My opinions
Top skills to look for in a prospect:
#1- passing- assist to TOV ratio- BBIQ is so critically important.
#2a-work ethic
#2b shot not broken-shooting form
#3 athleticism/length/defensive IQ
Unsure how a lot of these prospects fit in #1 and #2. You're not going to get an elite shooter in the draft outside of the top couple picks that isn't extremely flawed in other aspects of the game. You need guys that can work within an offense while developing their shot+ rest of their game with the added time they'll get to as they turn professional.
I think #2b rules out Diallo as being a good pick in the 1st round. #1 I think rules out Justin Jackson from Maryland, high negative assist/TO ratio. OG could be a really good pick, but I doubt he'll be around, that being said this draft is so deep that someone high could drop.
Other draft notes
-Dennis Smith JR will be a bust
-Jonathon Jeanne seems like an unskilled, longer Durant. Rail thin frame, quick feet though. Can protect the rim, but will be pushed around like a child in the NBA and may have a tough time adding weight. Very poor PnR instincts is his biggest downfall right now.
S ID wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:My opinions
Top skills to look for in a prospect:
#1- passing- assist to TOV ratio- BBIQ is so critically important.
#2a-work ethic
#2b shot not broken-shooting form
#3 athleticism/length/defensive IQ
Unsure how a lot of these prospects fit in #1 and #2. You're not going to get an elite shooter in the draft outside of the top couple picks that isn't extremely flawed in other aspects of the game. You need guys that can work within an offense while developing their shot+ rest of their game with the added time they'll get to as they turn professional.
I think #2b rules out Diallo as being a good pick in the 1st round. #1 I think rules out Justin Jackson from Maryland, high negative assist/TO ratio. OG could be a really good pick, but I doubt he'll be around, that being said this draft is so deep that someone high could drop.
Other draft notes
-Dennis Smith JR will be a bust
-Jonathon Jeanne seems like an unskilled, longer Durant. Rail thin frame, quick feet though. Can protect the rim, but will be pushed around like a child in the NBA and may have a tough time adding weight. Very poor PnR instincts is his biggest downfall right now.
Derrick White
1-
2a- Went from Div 2 to First Team Pac-12
2b - see 1
3 - 6'5 with a 6'8 wingspan, 35.5" standing vert, 36.6" running vert
HeadtopChunes wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:My opinions
Top skills to look for in a prospect:
#1- passing- assist to TOV ratio- BBIQ is so critically important.
#2a-work ethic
#2b shot not broken-shooting form
#3 athleticism/length/defensive IQ
Unsure how a lot of these prospects fit in #1 and #2. You're not going to get an elite shooter in the draft outside of the top couple picks that isn't extremely flawed in other aspects of the game. You need guys that can work within an offense while developing their shot+ rest of their game with the added time they'll get to as they turn professional.
I think #2b rules out Diallo as being a good pick in the 1st round. #1 I think rules out Justin Jackson from Maryland, high negative assist/TO ratio. OG could be a really good pick, but I doubt he'll be around, that being said this draft is so deep that someone high could drop.
Other draft notes
-Dennis Smith JR will be a bust
-Jonathon Jeanne seems like an unskilled, longer Durant. Rail thin frame, quick feet though. Can protect the rim, but will be pushed around like a child in the NBA and may have a tough time adding weight. Very poor PnR instincts is his biggest downfall right now.
Who would you say fits that description in our range? I can't really think of anyone maybe Iwundu/Leaf
Tortiglioni wrote:Dalek wrote:I am kind of intrigued by Rawle Alkins. Not really a positional need, but man do I like his game and his size/strength. I think Masai had a good look at him at Treviso last year and his defense looks good and his frame reminds me of D-Wade. I just like the first step and finishing ability for 19 year old.
Showed well in the draft combine so I think he will move up higher than the mocks have him. Kind of think he will move up in the same way Patrick McCaw did.
Alkins is easily a top 15-20 player in this draft.
What do you guys think about what nbadraft.net had to say about Alkins?:
Rawle Alkins (Arizona) For a player whose physicality is such an important part of his game, Rawle Alkins did not measure very well in terms of NBA outlook. As a player who guarded primary shooting guards and small forwards in college, Alkins’ size brings some serious doubt about taking his game to the next level. Standing just 6’3.75’’ in shoes, his wingspan is a solid 6’8.5’’ but his standing reach is merely 8’3’’. Watching Boston in the playoffs, a positive spin would be witnessing Marcus Smart consistently out muscle larger opponents on a nightly basis. Alkins is a similar size, and possesses some of that same type of potential, but without the billing as a point guard. I don’t often count out gutsy players based on size, but I’d be lying if I said I felt these measurements helped his cause.
CoachJReturns wrote:Masai won't take him but I'm all in on Duallo2if he's on the board. This core will be signed and extended and Casey will be here until hell freezes over. Only way for anything to change is to draft someone with high upside and them to meet their potential. I have zero interest in role players on this team that already has plenty.
Yallbecrazy wrote:HeadtopChunes wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:My opinions
Top skills to look for in a prospect:
#1- passing- assist to TOV ratio- BBIQ is so critically important.
#2a-work ethic
#2b shot not broken-shooting form
#3 athleticism/length/defensive IQ
Unsure how a lot of these prospects fit in #1 and #2. You're not going to get an elite shooter in the draft outside of the top couple picks that isn't extremely flawed in other aspects of the game. You need guys that can work within an offense while developing their shot+ rest of their game with the added time they'll get to as they turn professional.
I think #2b rules out Diallo as being a good pick in the 1st round. #1 I think rules out Justin Jackson from Maryland, high negative assist/TO ratio. OG could be a really good pick, but I doubt he'll be around, that being said this draft is so deep that someone high could drop.
Other draft notes
-Dennis Smith JR will be a bust
-Jonathon Jeanne seems like an unskilled, longer Durant. Rail thin frame, quick feet though. Can protect the rim, but will be pushed around like a child in the NBA and may have a tough time adding weight. Very poor PnR instincts is his biggest downfall right now.
Who would you say fits that description in our range? I can't really think of anyone maybe Iwundu/Leaf
I went through a bunch of profiles today and wasn't thrilled by anyone in particular except perhaps Leaf. I think deanondraft.com is a good alternative site and by someone that does way more research than me, he is often wrong about a few things (loving Exum and Smart, thinking Wiggins wouldn't be able to score well in the NBA) and can be very stubborn at times, but he does an excellent job at not suffering from groupthink (very independent scouting reports) and finding under the radar guys. He loved Wright and Powell, Jokic too. He does a decent job at predicting busts like Randle.
Had McDermott, Hield, Jaylen Brown as being way worse than their draft slot. He does have some guys way too high that end up being busts, but he is not privy to the info that other scouting sites and teams are.
Leaf seems like a really skilled player, if we didn't just get swept by the Cavs I think our fanbase would love him. Instead we're looking for someone who can switch onto Lebron and close out super fast on their shooters with the potential to be good on offense.
Psubs wrote:Spoiler:
So he's 6'10. He's like a skinny Kevin Love. He makes quick passes, showing his high bball IQ.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
mappiah19 wrote:Tortiglioni wrote:Dalek wrote:I am kind of intrigued by Rawle Alkins. Not really a positional need, but man do I like his game and his size/strength. I think Masai had a good look at him at Treviso last year and his defense looks good and his frame reminds me of D-Wade. I just like the first step and finishing ability for 19 year old.
Showed well in the draft combine so I think he will move up higher than the mocks have him. Kind of think he will move up in the same way Patrick McCaw did.
Alkins is easily a top 15-20 player in this draft.What do you guys think about what nbadraft.net had to say about Alkins?:
Rawle Alkins (Arizona) For a player whose physicality is such an important part of his game, Rawle Alkins did not measure very well in terms of NBA outlook. As a player who guarded primary shooting guards and small forwards in college, Alkins’ size brings some serious doubt about taking his game to the next level. Standing just 6’3.75’’ in shoes, his wingspan is a solid 6’8.5’’ but his standing reach is merely 8’3’’. Watching Boston in the playoffs, a positive spin would be witnessing Marcus Smart consistently out muscle larger opponents on a nightly basis. Alkins is a similar size, and possesses some of that same type of potential, but without the billing as a point guard. I don’t often count out gutsy players based on size, but I’d be lying if I said I felt these measurements helped his cause.
Yallbecrazy wrote:S ID wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:My opinions
Top skills to look for in a prospect:
#1- passing- assist to TOV ratio- BBIQ is so critically important.
#2a-work ethic
#2b shot not broken-shooting form
#3 athleticism/length/defensive IQ
Unsure how a lot of these prospects fit in #1 and #2. You're not going to get an elite shooter in the draft outside of the top couple picks that isn't extremely flawed in other aspects of the game. You need guys that can work within an offense while developing their shot+ rest of their game with the added time they'll get to as they turn professional.
I think #2b rules out Diallo as being a good pick in the 1st round. #1 I think rules out Justin Jackson from Maryland, high negative assist/TO ratio. OG could be a really good pick, but I doubt he'll be around, that being said this draft is so deep that someone high could drop.
Other draft notes
-Dennis Smith JR will be a bust
-Jonathon Jeanne seems like an unskilled, longer Durant. Rail thin frame, quick feet though. Can protect the rim, but will be pushed around like a child in the NBA and may have a tough time adding weight. Very poor PnR instincts is his biggest downfall right now.
Derrick White
1-
2a- Went from Div 2 to First Team Pac-12
2b - see 1
3 - 6'5 with a 6'8 wingspan, 35.5" standing vert, 36.6" running vert
Haven't watched him play, but that looks good. Red flags are that he's 23, and positional fit. I don't think the Raptors are in need of a guard unless it's a SF/SG. Already have Lowry (>80% I feel next year) and Wright+ Cojo as backups at the PG, and DD and Powell as SGs. I think SF and PF are the biggest needs assuming Patterson walks, even more so if Ibaka leaves too.
Tortiglioni wrote:mappiah19 wrote:Tortiglioni wrote:
Alkins is easily a top 15-20 player in this draft.What do you guys think about what nbadraft.net had to say about Alkins?:
Rawle Alkins (Arizona) For a player whose physicality is such an important part of his game, Rawle Alkins did not measure very well in terms of NBA outlook. As a player who guarded primary shooting guards and small forwards in college, Alkins’ size brings some serious doubt about taking his game to the next level. Standing just 6’3.75’’ in shoes, his wingspan is a solid 6’8.5’’ but his standing reach is merely 8’3’’. Watching Boston in the playoffs, a positive spin would be witnessing Marcus Smart consistently out muscle larger opponents on a nightly basis. Alkins is a similar size, and possesses some of that same type of potential, but without the billing as a point guard. I don’t often count out gutsy players based on size, but I’d be lying if I said I felt these measurements helped his cause.
His size is a nonissue. Great athlete with strength - think Wade, Waiters, Smart, Oladipo, Powell, etc. type of guard.
Also interesting to note: Stackhouse was the HC of the 2015 USA Select team in Treviso (on which Alkins played - and played very well).
Johnny Bball wrote:HeadtopChunes wrote:Don't diss pineapple pizza it's a great Canadian tradition.
It's a hate crime!
