State of the Cap?

[tombattor]

Yes.

No, hes a $19 to $25 million a year player.

Not this day and age. Role players get that type of money now. That's Biyombo money. IT is getting the max and he deserves it

Definitely. If we don't pay him, someone else will.

[ermocrate]

I think that we can keep AN just if he has a minor role, we are in a phase where we are loaded with Player that go trim good to great Now we NEED something out of this world, 5 good players with a 6-8 mill contract equals an Albatross. This is not between Bradley and Crowder+Smart, this is between Bradley and IT, unless both resign for around 10 mill one of them has to go and is not gonna be Thomas until Fultz or Ball show that they are the Next coming on JC.

[tombattor]

I feel like the best move is to deal AB, he maybe the only guy we need to move. If it's Crowder, than Smart may have to go with him to get under the cap.

It's probably just me because AB is my favorite player but I wouldn't trade him for Crowder & Smart.

I think everyone likes AB, but his contract is up in a year and he'll command $20M/yr. I'm for keeping IT, so that means, if we keep AB too, we'll be paying over $50M/yr for AB and IT and I just don't see that happening. Especially with Fultz coming in, AB unfortunately will be too expensive to keep...

[galipeautim]

I think that we can keep AN just if he has a minor role, we are in a phase where we are loaded with Player that go trim good to great Now we NEED something out of this world, 5 good players with a 6-8 mill contract equals an Albatross. This is not between Bradley and Crowder+Smart, this is between Bradley and IT, unless both resign for around 10 mill one of them has to go and is not gonna be Thomas until Fultz or Ball show that they are the Next coming on JC.

Don't forget we also have to pay Smart in the same time period and somebody like the Nets will definitely throw him $20 million a year. He is super young (younger than lots of the players in last year's draft) and has a lot of upside.

[ermocrate]

I think that we can keep AN just if he has a minor role, we are in a phase where we are loaded with Player that go trim good to great Now we NEED something out of this world, 5 good players with a 6-8 mill contract equals an Albatross. This is not between Bradley and Crowder+Smart, this is between Bradley and IT, unless both resign for around 10 mill one of them has to go and is not gonna be Thomas until Fultz or Ball show that they are the Next coming on JC.

Don't forget we also have to pay Smart in the same time period and somebody like the Nets will definitely throw him $20 million a year. He is super young (younger than lots of the players in last year's draft) and has a lot of upside.

Yeah he has upside but I don't think he knows what it games to become a star, I think his contract year is 2018-2019 so you may sit and wait if He will be worth a great contract by then.

[vct33]

I feel like the best move is to deal AB, he maybe the only guy we need to move. If it's Crowder, than Smart may have to go with him to get under the cap.

It's probably just me because AB is my favorite player but I wouldn't trade him for Crowder & Smart.

I think everyone likes AB, but his contract is up in a year and he'll command $20M/yr. I'm for keeping IT, so that means, if we keep AB too, we'll be paying over $50M/yr for AB and IT and I just don't see that happening. Especially with Fultz coming in, AB unfortunately will be too expensive to keep...

I'd rather pay AB $20M than some random dude the MLE.

[galipeautim]

I think that we can keep AN just if he has a minor role, we are in a phase where we are loaded with Player that go trim good to great Now we NEED something out of this world, 5 good players with a 6-8 mill contract equals an Albatross. This is not between Bradley and Crowder+Smart, this is between Bradley and IT, unless both resign for around 10 mill one of them has to go and is not gonna be Thomas until Fultz or Ball show that they are the Next coming on JC.

Don't forget we also have to pay Smart in the same time period and somebody like the Nets will definitely throw him $20 million a year. He is super young (younger than lots of the players in last year's draft) and has a lot of upside.

Yeah he has upside but I don't think he knows what it games to become a star, I think his contract year is 2018-2019 so you may sit and wait if He will be worth a great contract by then.

He's a restricted free agent next offseason, so same timing as Bradley and Thomas.

[ermocrate]

Don't forget we also have to pay Smart in the same time period and somebody like the Nets will definitely throw him $20 million a year. He is super young (younger than lots of the players in last year's draft) and has a lot of upside.

Yeah he has upside but I don't think he knows what it games to become a star, I think his contract year is 2018-2019 so you may sit and wait if He will be worth a great contract by then.

He's a restricted free agent next offseason, so same timing as Bradley and Thomas.

We can salute him then if he didn't accept 5/6 millions per year.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Draft Fultz

Deal AB and Rozier to Philly for future picks and a trade exception. It's a tough call between Smart and AB, but AB's 3 years older, and an unrestricted free agent, whereas Boston has more control over Smart's contract. Also, Smart seems to have more defensive versatility. If they add Hayward, it seems they'll have plenty of scorers (IT, Hayward and Fultz) to supplement Smart's lack of scoring.

Keep Yabs overseas

Resign Olynyk

Roster with a few hundred thousands to spare:
Horford, Crowder, Hayward, Brown, IT
Zizic, Olynyk, Fultz, Smart, D. Jackson, 2 cap holds

Still got plenty of assets (BKN 2018 pick, MEMP 2019 pick, Philly future pick(s), Zizic, Yabs, etc.) to deal for size at the deadline.

[klemen4]

Imo one of smart or ab has to go...and this decision will have to be made on draft day.

Pick in 10.-15. range is realistic for AB, probably same for Smart, him being potentially RFA.

If Danny has a big he thinks have a potential in that range he has to do this trade.

If Smart is traded for pick.

It/fultz
Ab/rozier
Hayward/brown
Crowder/hayward
Horford/zizic

[galipeautim]

Draft Fultz

Deal AB and Rozier to Philly for future picks and a trade exception. It's a tough call between Smart and AB, but AB's 3 years older, and an unrestricted free agent, whereas Boston has more control over Smart's contract. Also, Smart seems to have more defensive versatility. If they add Hayward, it seems they'll have plenty of scorers (IT, Hayward and Fultz) to supplement Smart's lack of scoring.

Keep Yabs overseas

Resign Olynyk

Roster with a few hundred thousands to spare:
Horford, Crowder, Hayward, Brown, IT
Zizic, Olynyk, Fultz, Smart, D. Jackson, 2 cap holds

Still got plenty of assets (BKN 2018 pick, MEMP 2019 pick, Philly future pick(s), Zizic, Yabs, etc.) to deal for size at the deadline.

What do you think Olynyk is going to cost...I think a team (Nets) that will offer him atleast $13 million a year. So that doesn't fit.

[Squigglepuffin]

Olynyk must go. He's way too inconsistent. Is soft, clumsy, and according to the stats he racks up fouls faster than most players in the league. He is not worth 12-15 million a year.

It's harder to determine which of the guards has to go. I actually think two of the guards have to go out of Rozier, Smart, or Bradley. It depends what you can get for them on the trade market.

Personally I think Bradley is gone if we can get Hayward. Jaylen needs to start half way through the season and onwards simply because I think he'll develop to that degree by then. Hayward needs to start, and looking forward keeping IT and Avery while also having Al at max and Hayward at max is undoable. Trading Horford won't happen because it will scare off future free agents.

So Avery is gone and Olynyk is gone. Then I think either Marcus or Rozier is gone. Depending on what they can get in trade and Danny relies on Demetrius Jackson to run backup PG

[Fencer reregistered]

I'll put this here rather than in the thread where Smitty's quote actually appeared.

If they use cap space this summer, they won't even have the ability to extend him this offseason.

Why not? The rules on extensions aren't easy to figure out.

[ConstableGeneva]

I'll put this here rather than in the thread where Smitty's quote actually appeared.

If they use cap space this summer, they won't even have the ability to extend him this offseason.

Why not? The rules on extensions aren't easy to figure out.

Is this regarding IT? You'd need cap space to negotiate a contract extension. If cap space is going to be used on someone like Hayward, none will be left for IT or AB.

[Darthlukey]

I think that we can keep AN just if he has a minor role, we are in a phase where we are loaded with Player that go trim good to great Now we NEED something out of this world, 5 good players with a 6-8 mill contract equals an Albatross. This is not between Bradley and Crowder+Smart, this is between Bradley and IT, unless both resign for around 10 mill one of them has to go and is not gonna be Thomas until Fultz or Ball show that they are the Next coming on JC.

Don't forget we also have to pay Smart in the same time period and somebody like the Nets will definitely throw him $20 million a year. He is super young (younger than lots of the players in last year's draft) and has a lot of upside.

We could offer IT and Bradley the max but for 3 years instead of 4 or 5. Seems to be a happy comprimise

[Fencer reregistered]

I'll put this here rather than in the thread where Smitty's quote actually appeared.

If they use cap space this summer, they won't even have the ability to extend him this offseason.

Why not? The rules on extensions aren't easy to figure out.

Is this regarding IT? You'd need cap space to negotiate a contract extension. If cap space is going to be used on someone like Hayward, none will be left for IT or AB.

Yeah, it's re IT, but the same could be asked re AB.

So what rule stops you from agreeing in 2017 to give somebody a big raise from 2018 onward?

[ConstableGeneva]

I'll put this here rather than in the thread where Smitty's quote actually appeared.



Why not? The rules on extensions aren't easy to figure out.

Is this regarding IT? You'd need cap space to negotiate a contract extension. If cap space is going to be used on someone like Hayward, none will be left for IT or AB.

Yeah, it's re IT, but the same could be asked re AB.

So what rule stops you from agreeing in 2017 to give somebody a big raise from 2018 onward?

****, sorry, I was thinking of renegotiation. I get those two mixed up. I'll let Smitty answer to not confuse us any further.

[ermocrate]

I think that we can keep AN just if he has a minor role, we are in a phase where we are loaded with Player that go trim good to great Now we NEED something out of this world, 5 good players with a 6-8 mill contract equals an Albatross. This is not between Bradley and Crowder+Smart, this is between Bradley and IT, unless both resign for around 10 mill one of them has to go and is not gonna be Thomas until Fultz or Ball show that they are the Next coming on JC.

Don't forget we also have to pay Smart in the same time period and somebody like the Nets will definitely throw him $20 million a year. He is super young (younger than lots of the players in last year's draft) and has a lot of upside.

We could offer IT and Bradley the max but for 3 years instead of 4 or 5. Seems to be a happy comprimise

I think we will bea surpassing the hard cap if we offer both the max...

[Smitty731]

I'll put this here rather than in the thread where Smitty's quote actually appeared.

If they use cap space this summer, they won't even have the ability to extend him this offseason.

Why not? The rules on extensions aren't easy to figure out.

Is this regarding IT? You'd need cap space to negotiate a contract extension. If cap space is going to be used on someone like Hayward, none will be left for IT or AB.

Yup CK got it. You have to have space to extend someone. It is different than re-signing them.

Just to further complicate it, Rookie Scale extensions work different as well!

[Smitty731]

Don't forget we also have to pay Smart in the same time period and somebody like the Nets will definitely throw him $20 million a year. He is super young (younger than lots of the players in last year's draft) and has a lot of upside.

We could offer IT and Bradley the max but for 3 years instead of 4 or 5. Seems to be a happy comprimise

I think we will bea surpassing the hard cap if we offer both the max...

You only become hard capped if you do certain things:

A. Receive a player in S&T
B. Use the Bi-Annual Exception
C. Use a portion of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception equal to or greater than that of the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception.

For example, look at Cleveland. They are WAY over the Hard Cap amount ($4M over the Luxury Tax, changing to $6M for next season with the new CBA), but they are not hard capped because they didn't do any of the things that make you hard capped.

The reason for the hard cap is so teams can't push way past and use all the benefits that a Non-Taxpayer team originally gets. It tries to level the playing field to some extent.