Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[BleedGreen1989]

Drummond/Olynyk
Horford/Crowder
Crowder/Brown
Fultz/Smart
Thomas/Rozier/Jackson

Boston trades Bradley for #11
Boston trades #11 + 2018 Boston 1st + 2019 Memphis 1st (or Rozier/Olynyk) + Johnson for Drummond

Or

Adams/Johnson
Horford/Olynyk
Crowder/Brown
Fultz/Smart
Thomas/Jackson

Boston trades: BKN 2018 + Bradley for OKC trades: Adams

OKC trades: Oladipo + 21 for Charlotte trades: Williams + 11


Gibson/Kanter
Williams/Collins
Roberson
Bradley
Westbrook
+2018 BKN

Charlotte:
Zeller
MKG/Kaminsky
Batum
Oladipo
Walker
+23

No chance I'm giving up a Brooklyn pick and Bradley for Adams. Doesn't have near that value to me.

Maybe Bradley straight up. Maybe.

[Spizite]

You guya have no clue if you think this pick is worth anything other than AD. Thats it. Theres nothing more worth it.

Yep. This isn't like the Wiggins/Love situation. We aren't signing Lebron this summer. You don't trade a 19 year old stud like Fultz for guys in their late 20's who aren't going to put us over the Cavs as long as Lebron is still there.

AD is the only guy worth discussing but it's not really much of a discussion as he isn't on the market. I do think Danny would at least spend a second thinking about Porz, but wouldn't do it. I'm a big Porz fan and think Brad could do wonders with him. But Fultz is the real deal here. The kid can score. And Brad has shown the success he can have running his system around a big time scorer.

The question becomes what to do with IT. Can he play with Fultz? Do you pay IT? Is Fultz a PG or 2? If he's a PG, then why resign IT. If he's a 2, then do you move Avery? Also, is Jaylen ready to take over for Crowder? Does Crowder really provide more than what Jaylen is capable of? If we sign Hayward, and draft Fultz, are we saying Jaylen will never be a starter here? Is 24 year old Jaylen better than current Hayward?

Oh so many questions.

yep, all the yep.

Probably safe to include Towns in there as well. Embiid wouldve been if there was any confidence he would be healthy. Biggest problem this team will have is figuring out minutes with all of the bodies.

Maybe a consolidation trade for Drummond works here? Something centered around Smart or Rozier + Bradley + Olynyk + non-Nets picks? Would certainly help the rebounding issues we have - I just don't think we need to send out Nets picks right now. I haven't felt this way about a prospect like Fultz since Towns / Davis. He's going to be the real deal

[TheOGJabroni]

I wonder how annoying it is to Klay Thompson that he doesn't even make 3rd team all NBA with Durant in town. I doubt he's annoyed enough to demand a trade, but who knows. Win a championship, get zero recognition, maybe thinks, "this sucks, I'd rather be a core piece of the next championship rather than 4th banana."

Yeah, probably not

Well when they tie contracts into these awards there's the rub for Play.

He will be losing out on possibly over 100 million if he stays in golden State as the 3/4 option.

It's actually a really interesting thought. You are losing a ton of money if you have the talent to be on the all NBA teams but get overlooked because there's too much talent around you.

[Fencer reregistered]

Unfortunately, for a rich young man from a small country, NYC is probably the best place in the US to live. So Porzingis probably isn't really trying to shoot his way out of town.

And absent that, I don't see a good trade possibility to get him.

[Fencer reregistered]

I think some people are a little more worried about total salary than they should be.

Having a super-high total salary for a single season is not that big a deal:

-- The hit to the owners' pocketbooks is affordable, and indeed worthwhile from a business standpoint if the money is well-spent basketball-wise.
-- The various CBA limitations on roster moves can be shrugged off for a year.

It's only when you're deep in luxury tax territory for a bunch of seasons that things get bad.

In particular, IT was a top-ten player in the league this year, and he's still been getting better. Completely maxing out his salary is a perfectly reasonable move.

[TheRev72]

You guya have no clue if you think this pick is worth anything other than AD. Thats it. Theres nothing more worth it.

Yep. This isn't like the Wiggins/Love situation. We aren't signing Lebron this summer. You don't trade a 19 year old stud like Fultz for guys in their late 20's who aren't going to put us over the Cavs as long as Lebron is still there.

AD is the only guy worth discussing but it's not really much of a discussion as he isn't on the market. I do think Danny would at least spend a second thinking about Porz, but wouldn't do it. I'm a big Porz fan and think Brad could do wonders with him. But Fultz is the real deal here. The kid can score. And Brad has shown the success he can have running his system around a big time scorer.

The question becomes what to do with IT. Can he play with Fultz? Do you pay IT? Is Fultz a PG or 2? If he's a PG, then why resign IT. If he's a 2, then do you move Avery? Also, is Jaylen ready to take over for Crowder? Does Crowder really provide more than what Jaylen is capable of? If we sign Hayward, and draft Fultz, are we saying Jaylen will never be a starter here? Is 24 year old Jaylen better than current Hayward?

Oh so many questions.

yep, all the yep.

Anthony Davis seems like the only player worthy of giving up Fultz for, particularly in light of AD being locked into a very reasonable long-term contract. Would seem crazy for NO to trade him, but if they could get some high lottery picks and decent starters (sounds like they might lose Jrue Holiday) to play around Boogie, maybe they have something going forward to build on, like Fultz + Boogie.

I did some trade machine fiddling and the C's would need to come up with at least $17M in salary to do a deal. Avery + Zeller + Mickey gets it there salary-wise.

As far as the draft picks to include, I wonder if the Fultz pick is enough? Would NO require Nets 2018 as well? Or Jaylen? Or all 3?

I think a trade for AD would also allow the C's to keep Olynyk, which would set up an amazing frontcourt with Horford and AD, backed up by Olynyk and Zizic (with the occasional appearance by the Dancing Bear). Smart or, hopefully, Brown could then slide into the starting backcourt for Bradley.

[DoubleHappiness]

Anthony Davis is not being traded. Stop this madness.

[Darth Celtic]

you know, i'm not sure i believe in this GSW being unbeatable for years. They will be at 100m with just 6 players this next year and will only be able to add via the draft and vet min contracts. That team is going to be so top heavy, 1 injury to next years team and they are toast. They won't even have smaller mid contracts to trade along with picks to get vets. It literally will be 16m up to 40m a year for top 4, then rookie scale deals (and for 30th picks, that's like 1m). After this year, each year they can use the MLE, but when they hit the tax it gets less.

At least if we hit the cap/tax limits, we'll have contracts and picks to take or trade to improve.

[reload141]

Interesting that PG is meeting with the Pacers next week to discuss his future right after he didn't make an all-NBA team

[Asian Celtic]

Interesting that PG is meeting with the Pacers next week to discuss his future right after he didn't make an all-NBA team

Somewhere out there is a rumor waiting to happen that PG wants to go to BKN

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Will it really be IT and Fultz in the back court next season?

I’ll tell you this: before the draft last year, Danny [Ainge] was trying to get two picks, not just Jaylen Brown. He had two people. He was trying to get two picks. He was on the phone with everybody from coast to coast and he was offering everyone, and that includes Marcus Smart and Isaiah Thomas and anything they needed to get where he wanted to go. There were no untouchables on that team last year. The only untouchable now I’d say is Al Horford.

Report: Danny Ainge offered Isaiah Thomas for a lottery pick last year

http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/5/19/15667388/danny-ainge-offered-isaiah-thomas-for-a-lottery-pick-last-year-celtics-nba-draft-trade-picks-boston

[galipeautim]

Will it really be IT and Fultz in the back court next season?

I’ll tell you this: before the draft last year, Danny [Ainge] was trying to get two picks, not just Jaylen Brown. He had two people. He was trying to get two picks. He was on the phone with everybody from coast to coast and he was offering everyone, and that includes Marcus Smart and Isaiah Thomas and anything they needed to get where he wanted to go. There were no untouchables on that team last year. The only untouchable now I’d say is Al Horford.

Report: Danny Ainge offered Isaiah Thomas for a lottery pick last year

http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/5/19/15667388/danny-ainge-offered-isaiah-thomas-for-a-lottery-pick-last-year-celtics-nba-draft-trade-picks-boston

problem is no team in the lottery is trading for established veterans that will make them a treadmill team. Unfortunately, a trade will most likely be with a contender and there aren't many with trade pieces we want.

[galipeautim]

I think the perfect player for our team would be Nikola Jokic. He fits our two biggest needs - rebounding and a scorer in the post. In addition, he is a good passer and shooter so he would fit out pace and space offense. It would take a ton to get him, but seeing as Denver is a treadmill team it is possible they will take Jaylen Brown and Brooklyn 18 + another asset like Smart or Bradley for him. Came up with this idea by scouring NBA rosters for players that are affordable and would help put us over the top. He would fit in both scenarios whether we are trying to win now or in the future.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I think the perfect player for our team would be Nikola Jokic. He fits our two biggest needs - rebounding and a scorer in the post. In addition, he is a good passer and shooter so he would fit out pace and space offense. It would take a ton to get him, but seeing as Denver is a treadmill team it is possible they will take Jaylen Brown and Brooklyn 18 + another asset like Smart or Bradley for him. Came up with this idea by scouring NBA rosters for players that are affordable and would help put us over the top. He would fit in both scenarios whether we are trying to win now or in the future.

Jokic - AD - Lebron - G Freaky - Durant... they would all be great on the Celtics, but they are untouchables.

[galipeautim]

I think the perfect player for our team would be Nikola Jokic. He fits our two biggest needs - rebounding and a scorer in the post. In addition, he is a good passer and shooter so he would fit out pace and space offense. It would take a ton to get him, but seeing as Denver is a treadmill team it is possible they will take Jaylen Brown and Brooklyn 18 + another asset like Smart or Bradley for him. Came up with this idea by scouring NBA rosters for players that are affordable and would help put us over the top. He would fit in both scenarios whether we are trying to win now or in the future.

Jokic - AD - Lebron - G Freaky - Durant... they would all be great on the Celtics, but they are untouchables.

I think Jokic is on a slight lower plane than those other guys and has been the face of the franchise for less time. In order to a deal we do need to get a stud (which is virtually impossible), but I think it is slightly more possible with Jokic and Denver.

[fallguy]

I think the perfect player for our team would be Nikola Jokic. He fits our two biggest needs - rebounding and a scorer in the post. In addition, he is a good passer and shooter so he would fit out pace and space offense. It would take a ton to get him, but seeing as Denver is a treadmill team it is possible they will take Jaylen Brown and Brooklyn 18 + another asset like Smart or Bradley for him. Came up with this idea by scouring NBA rosters for players that are affordable and would help put us over the top. He would fit in both scenarios whether we are trying to win now or in the future.

Jokic - AD - Lebron - G Freaky - Durant... they would all be great on the Celtics, but they are untouchables.

I think Jokic is on a slight lower plane than those other guys and has been the face of the franchise for less time. In order to a deal we do need to get a stud (which is virtually impossible), but I think it is slightly more possible with Jokic and Denver.

Jokic is not being moved. Come on.

[Asian Celtic]

Jokic - AD - Lebron - G Freaky - Durant... they would all be great on the Celtics, but they are untouchables.

I think Jokic is on a slight lower plane than those other guys and has been the face of the franchise for less time. In order to a deal we do need to get a stud (which is virtually impossible), but I think it is slightly more possible with Jokic and Denver.

Jokic is not being moved. Come on.

Let denver have him, they deserve Jokic as they gambled on him. He's untouchable as clear as day. Otherwise they wouldn't have dealt Nurkic for pennies.

[BleedGreen1989]

I don't believe you can ever build a good defense around Jokic.

I know some advanced stats like him there, but watching the games I don't see it.

He's not a great paint protector. He has issues switching onto guards. He's the anti Gobert.

[rickrolled]

Unfortunately, for a rich young man from a small country, NYC is probably the best place in the US to live. So Porzingis probably isn't really trying to shoot his way out of town.

And absent that, I don't see a good trade possibility to get him.

Maybe also the most expensive, especially when he's on a rookie contract. Plus he's spending his off season in Latvia, maybe he doesn't like the big lights.

I think Isaiah, Crowder for Porzingis straight up I'd do.

Roll with.

Fultz/Smart/Rozier
Bradley/Smart
Hayward/Brown
Porzingis/Olynyk
Horford/Zizic

Brown and Zizic as your 6th and 7th guys, Smart could even start the season with the starters before ultimately pushed back in the rotation for Fultz who's the superior talent.

I also think Brown will push Bradley to the bench if he plays like yesterday.

So we could be looking at a Fultz/Brown/Hayward/Porzingis/Horford lineup by december.

[bigboi]

If Fultz is obtained, there's no reason to keep IT. I say try to obtain both Butler and PG to become a super team tbh