Brooklyn Nets 2017 Draft Thread

[CalamityX12]

i appreciate the emphasis for athleticism and feel we are doing good on that area... but at some point we need a guy that can shoot the bloody ball... whether it be from 3, inside 2, confident tear drops etc..... need someone to be able to shoot once defenses clog the lane.

balance the team out.

[Paradise]

i appreciate the emphasis for athleticism and feel we are doing good on that area... but at some point we need a guy that can shoot the bloody ball... whether it be from 3, inside 2, confident tear drops etc..... need someone to be able to shoot once defenses clog the lane.

balance the team out.

Yes, we'll draft someone like that once we own our picks. You're not getting someone that put together below 15 unless he's a senior or junior.




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[TheNetsFan]

Greek Freak was already very skilled during the draft. He was only raw in the sense of playing lower-level competition & not much in terms of true system play. The ball handling, passing, vision ,etc was all there already.

I'd rather see us take players that have demonstrated a good level of skill already, and not simply draft the best athletes. Obviously you want to see a minimum level of athleticism before considering a guy, but I'll always give the nod to a very skilled ok athlete over an unskilled hyperathletic player.

I might be mistaken by Giannis was called a reach pick by the Bucks, no?

I think at the time, he was.

Just looked at some old mocks and draft grades. Grades on the Giannis pick were mostly As & Bs, and mocks had him in the 19-22 range. Player comparisons were all to Nicolas Batum. I wouldn't consider 20ish to 15 that much of a "reach."

[Ror1997]

i appreciate the emphasis for athleticism and feel we are doing good on that area... but at some point we need a guy that can shoot the bloody ball... whether it be from 3, inside 2, confident tear drops etc..... need someone to be able to shoot once defenses clog the lane.

balance the team out.

Here's the thing

You can always teach someone how to play basketball better. Players can always develop a jump shot.

You cant teach athleticism.

Athletic freaks will always be more valuable and have higher ceilings. Thats what we need right now.

[CalamityX12]

i appreciate the emphasis for athleticism and feel we are doing good on that area... but at some point we need a guy that can shoot the bloody ball... whether it be from 3, inside 2, confident tear drops etc..... need someone to be able to shoot once defenses clog the lane.

balance the team out.

Here's the thing

You can always teach someone how to play basketball better. Players can always develop a jump shot.

You cant teach athleticism.

Athletic freaks will always be more valuable and have higher ceilings. Thats what we need right now.

While that's most likely every teams' need/dream but what are the odds/% of hitting that?

Giannis was a lotto talent that seems to fit that mold(once his jumpshot develops bam!)

It be nice to get someone who actually has a nice solid foundation of being a shooter... would give me some relief at least.

[Ror1997]

i appreciate the emphasis for athleticism and feel we are doing good on that area... but at some point we need a guy that can shoot the bloody ball... whether it be from 3, inside 2, confident tear drops etc..... need someone to be able to shoot once defenses clog the lane.

balance the team out.

Here's the thing

You can always teach someone how to play basketball better. Players can always develop a jump shot.

You cant teach athleticism.

Athletic freaks will always be more valuable and have higher ceilings. Thats what we need right now.

While that's most likely every teams' need/dream but what are the odds/% of hitting that?

Giannis was a lotto talent that seems to fit that mold(once his jumpshot develops bam!)

It be nice to get someone who actually has a nice solid foundation of being a shooter... would give me some relief at least.

It would be nice. That's why those players are never available at 22. You're talking about an impact scorer. You just simply aren't going to find that at #22

The ones available in the late first round aren't that great either. Remember how a lot of people thought Joe Young would be the steal of the draft 2 years ago?

Chris McCullough and RJ Hunter. One was a good athlete with high upside. One was a sharpshooter. Taken back to back in the 2015 draft. Both did nothing in the NBA, and played their sophomore year in the DLeague. Both were given up on by their original teams.

The odds aren't great for either type of player.

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bucks will probably take him.

[Paradise]

The point of hiring Marks and Atkinson was for us to draft hidden talent and develop on their weaknesses. Wasn't that the point of almost every decision made in the last year? We hired KD's former shooting coach for a reason. Last time I checked, our issue wasn't offense. It was slow footed athletes and lack of talented defenders.

Considering we averaged the highest pace in the league and run a lot of fast breaks, I think the kid would do well here even without a jumper. Again, if he had any semblance of a polished offensive game that he displayed at UK...this wouldn't even be a conversation. We'd have absolutely no shot and the reality is despite the debate against him panning out. We still may not even be high enough to land him.

What does adding someone who's more put together but older going to do for us? Diallo will be 21 when we own our 1st rounders. That's two free seasons of development without expectations.

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[twosevenstreet]

I think Milwaukee will take Giles

[DarkXaero]

I think Milwaukee will take Giles

Actually I think they might take Jonathan Jeanne. From a physical standpoint, he's the "Giannis/Gobert" of this draft. And despite all his rawness, he's still super intriguing from a skill standpoint. On DraftExpress, he's currently mocked at #24, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go significantly higher.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-combine-competitive-action-recap-day-two-5929/

This is their report of his combine performance and it's very positive.

[jbeachboy]

i think milwaukee takes diallo over giles and jeanne. giles injuries are brutal.

[No-Man]

I get that Diallo is athletic, but man, he can't shoot, can't dribble, what is he gonna bring on offense? unless he becomes the reincarnation of Tony Allen on defense, which I guess, anything is possible, I don't see what he does for you

[No-Man]

I think Milwaukee will take Giles

Actually I think they might take Jonathan Jeanne. From a physical standpoint, he's the "Giannis/Gobert" of this draft. And despite all his rawness, he's still super intriguing from a skill standpoint. On DraftExpress, he's currently mocked at #24, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go significantly higher.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-combine-competitive-action-recap-day-two-5929/

This is their report of his combine performance and it's very positive.

The Bucks got Maker and they have Giannis as a guy that will play a ton of C in the PO, they have Middleton and that's about it on the wings, Parker is hurt again and Snell is a RFA, going with anything that's not a potential knockdown shooter, either at G or F, makes 0 sense.

Once you got a stud, you have to build around him.

[Prokorov]

i appreciate the emphasis for athleticism and feel we are doing good on that area... but at some point we need a guy that can shoot the bloody ball... whether it be from 3, inside 2, confident tear drops etc..... need someone to be able to shoot once defenses clog the lane.

balance the team out.

I agree we need 2 way guys who can shoot and defend.... if they really think that Diallo has star upside and take him i wont hate it, but i have seen nothing to suggest he has even allstar upside... and what more ive heard or read nothing saying he has that kind of upside.

and if he did, he would be a lock for the lottery. its not like he is coming off injury or has questionable character. he is a great leaer and has an excellent wingspan. but nothing suggests some star upside.

Id much rather go with someone like Giles if its an upside pick. as he does have that ceiling.

otherwise i agree with you... give me a semi ojeyle a 2 way guy with size who is a great shooter.

[Prokorov]

I might be mistaken by Giannis was called a reach pick by the Bucks, no?

I think at the time, he was.

Just looked at some old mocks and draft grades. Grades on the Giannis pick were mostly As & Bs, and mocks had him in the 19-22 range. Player comparisons were all to Nicolas Batum. I wouldn't consider 20ish to 15 that much of a "reach."

Mocks drafts should not be used to gauge player values.... 90% of mock drafts are based on sources and inside info. if a guys sources tell him that the bucks love Fergeson at #17, then they put fergeson at 17 in their mock... has nothing to do with fergeson being the 17th best player....

then the bucks trade the #17 pick... the new team at 17 takes a Center instead. the only other team between 17 and 30 who likes fergeson is say the lakers at #28. they take him and its "LAKERS GOT A STEAL! Fergeson had late lotto talent!" meanwhile fergeson didnt have late lotto talent, the bucks were just higher on him then most teams...

or alternatively.... minnesota loves smith at #7, fergeson is the second guy on their big board, but no one mocks fergeson at 7 because they know the wolves are taking smith... then someone trades up to 6 and take smith. the wolves take fergeson at 7 and its "WHAT A TERRIBLE REACH! fergeson was a late teens pick! what morons!"

it only takes 1 team in the lotto to love a player that no one else is high on for them to get mocked their and be "lotto talent" maybe the bucks wanted giannis all along and kept it quiet.... the mocks didnt know about it so they had giannis at 22 because they knew those teams scounted him heavily.

Mocks are based more in info about what teams are interested in guys and less on anaylsts projecting talent

[Prokorov]

i appreciate the emphasis for athleticism and feel we are doing good on that area... but at some point we need a guy that can shoot the bloody ball... whether it be from 3, inside 2, confident tear drops etc..... need someone to be able to shoot once defenses clog the lane.

balance the team out.

Here's the thing

You can always teach someone how to play basketball better. Players can always develop a jump shot.

You cant teach athleticism.

Athletic freaks will always be more valuable and have higher ceilings. Thats what we need right now.

i disagree you can always teach someone to shoot. league is filled with guys who still struggle. also, even with a jump shot what about ball handling, moving without the ball, passing, finishing, iq... alot of that is natural gifts too.

you cant teach athleticism, but it also doesnt always mean much. lots of freaks athletes including top 3 picks fizzled out cause thats all they had.

there are also plenty of athletes in this draft who can also shoot. id rather take them then diallo

[Prokorov]

The point of hiring Marks and Atkinson was for us to draft hidden talent and develop on their weaknesses. Wasn't that the point of almost every decision made in the last year? We hired KD's former shooting coach for a reason. Last time I checked, our issue wasn't offense. It was slow footed athletes and lack of talented defenders.

we took levert last year... a highly skilled high iq talented player.... i think we are looking for guys like that... i dont think its just find the best athlete and turn him into a basketball player.

i think they look for more levert types... good guys who defend, are athletic, have a solid skillset that can be built even further on. i look at dinwiddie and goodwin as other examples of that.

not sure if diallo fits that. all ive seen him do is dunk in a layup line in highlight videos. i trust their process.

[Prokorov]

I think Milwaukee will take Giles

Actually I think they might take Jonathan Jeanne. From a physical standpoint, he's the "Giannis/Gobert" of this draft. And despite all his rawness, he's still super intriguing from a skill standpoint. On DraftExpress, he's currently mocked at #24, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go significantly higher.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-combine-competitive-action-recap-day-two-5929/

This is their report of his combine performance and it's very positive.

Kidd likes players who move the ball and are skilled even his bigs.... Jeane is the opposite of that and a complete turnover machine. like legit, without hyperbole, the worst ball handler ive ever seen in my life. one in every 3 or 4 passes, even basic stuff not contested is tipped away, way off target, or stolen.

he had something like 6 turnvers a game in 20ish minutes vs mediocure competition.

i think giles fits kid much better.... big and athletic, can switch defensively on everything, smart unselfish player...

but i dont think they go big. they need gaurds and wings who can create offense

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't think Markinson has a type, at least not with a late pick. As someone else mentioned, I think they just look for character, drive, work ethic, physical attributes and tangible skills of some sort and then provide them with the proper environment, system and mentoring where they can hopefully prosper.