2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1641 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:46 am

Tbh, I think this draft class is overrated. Not nearly as high on it as some people. Heard many people refer to it as the best class since the Lebron and Melo draft, which I find laughable. It's behind the Embiid, Wiggins, Parker draft and I'm not even sure it's better than the Towns draft.

I see one franchise player at most from this draft in Fultz. Heard a lot of analysts say this draft has 6 or 7 franchise players. I just don't see it.

Arsenal · Post #1642 » by **Arsenal** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:57 am

We need to trade up to get Derrick White or Frank Jackson. Hell, maybe we can get both, using 2 2nd's to trade up for each. They seem to be the most likely suspects for our 3&D PG of the future.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1643 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:07 pm

I wonder if the Celtics beatdown yesterday urges them to trade their pick or select JJ. I mean, IT, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, and Fultz? The addition of Fultz doesn't really close the gap between them and Cleveland.

Kobblehead · Post #1644 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:19 pm

What I think you'll see happen is Boston will stay the course in June and select Fultz. But then July rolls around and Gordon Hayward re-ups with Utah, that might force their hand to trade a package of Fultz+ to land one of Butler or George.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1645 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:21 pm

The championship Spurs model had Duncan (Embiid) and two to three excellent creators in Tony Parker, Manu, and Diaw. The Sixers currently have only one excellent creator in Simmons (Diaw on gamma rays) and people want to pass on drafting a PG high in the draft in favor of a wing and/or drafting a less talented PG late? Not wise to pass up a chance to draft a Tony Parker clone in De'aaron Fox when an opportunity to more closely approximate the roster of the championship team the Sixers have been modeling themselves after is right in reach.

HankTheTank · Post #1646 » by **HankTheTank** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:23 pm

Just listening to a Chad Ford interview on radio. He thinks the Sixers "need shooters" and should draft Monk at 3, like every other mouth breather in Philly.

Apparently Tim Legler has worked personally with Jackson and is pretty much on his knees begging the Sixers to take Jackson.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1647 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:25 pm

sixers238 wrote:I wonder if the Celtics beatdown yesterday urges them to trade their pick or select JJ. I mean, IT, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, and Fultz? The addition of Fultz doesn't really close the gap between them and Cleveland.

Josh Jackson's 207lb body and 6'9" wingspan will provide no resistance against Lebron.

Kobblehead · Post #1648 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:28 pm

Arsenal wrote:We need to trade up to get Derrick White or Frank Jackson. Hell, maybe we can get both, using 2 2nd's to trade up for each. They seem to be the most likely suspects for our 3&D PG of the future.

I'm not sold on Frank Jackson, but Derrick White might be my favorite sleeper in this draft. I can't really find a weakness in his game. And his age suggests early contribution.

HankTheTank · Post #1649 » by **HankTheTank** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:35 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Arsenal wrote:We need to trade up to get Derrick White or Frank Jackson. Hell, maybe we can get both, using 2 2nd's to trade up for each. They seem to be the most likely suspects for our 3&D PG of the future.

I'm not sold on Frank Jackson, but Derrick White might be my favorite sleeper in this draft. I can't really find a weakness in his game. And his age suggests early contribution.

Kind of hoping the Sixers can maneuver for Evans, but like White too, with all of their 2nds. Love Bell too, but he probably showed too much in the tourney to be a secret.

He's not a sleeper, but I would not be shocked if we look back in ten years and Zach Collins is among the best 2 or 3 players in this draft. Will take patience.

Kobblehead · Post #1650 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:40 pm

I love Zach Collins. Seems to be overlooked as a potential franchise big because he lacked the volume raw stats.

Skates · Post #1651 » by **Skates** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:00 pm

I would love to move down to 5/10 with the Kings. Take your choice of the two remaining from Jackson, Tatum and Isaac and grab Collins or one of the PG's at 10. Okafor will be traded and Holmes is only a backup at best, no real Embiid insurance. I like Isaac a lot.

LloydFree · Post #1652 » by **LloydFree** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:09 pm

HankTheTank wrote:Just listening to a Chad Ford interview on radio. He thinks the Sixers "need shooters" and should draft Monk at 3, like every other mouth breather in Philly.

Apparently Tim Legler has worked personally with Jackson and is pretty much on his knees begging the Sixers to take Jackson.

The mouth breathers and guys like Chad Ford, really don't make me nervous with this draft. Colangelo has a draft history. He doesn't listen to fans and he's leaned towards athletic upside over current shooters.
I'm not normally a fan of Tim Legler's draft analysis, but it doesn't hurt to have a few NBA players beating the drum. Last week somebody asked Barkley who he liked, and he immediately said Josh Jackson, followed by Lonzo Ball. It doesn't mean anything, but if NBA types are seeing it, hopefully the 76ers front office and Coaches are seeing it. My problem is I think Danny Ainge will see it.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1653 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:12 pm

Skates wrote:I would love to move down to 5/10 with the Kings. Take your choice of the two remaining from Jackson, Tatum and Isaac and grab Collins or one of the PG's at 10. Okafor will be traded and Holmes is only a backup at best, no real Embiid insurance. I like Isaac a lot.

We don't need Collins. We have a franchise center. It would be a disservice to draft him to backup Embiid.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1654 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:17 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:The championship Spurs model had Duncan (Embiid) and two to three excellent creators in Tony Parker, Manu, and Diaw. The Sixers currently have only one excellent creator in Simmons (Diaw on gamma rays) and people want to pass on drafting a PG high in the draft in favor of a wing and/or drafting a less talented PG late? Not wise to pass up a chance to draft a Tony Parker clone in De'aaron Fox when an opportunity to more closely approximate the roster of the championship team the Sixers have been modeling themselves after is right in reach.

I rate Jackson higher. I really do like Fox but I'm not sure about the fit. He's not that good of a shooter. Can he play off ball? I'm not sure. He's going to make some team very happy though. I hope he doesn't go to the Knicks. I do like that Fox can get any shot he wants. If he is a Wall clone I still don't know how he'd fit with Simmons. Could Wall and Simmons play together? I don't think it would work that great. Fox is definitely going to murder his workouts and may be the best workout player leading up to the draft. I might be able to be sold on Fox at 3 but it would take a lot of convincing. I still think Jackson is the best way to go.

Arsenal · Post #1655 » by **Arsenal** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:17 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Arsenal wrote:We need to trade up to get Derrick White or Frank Jackson. Hell, maybe we can get both, using 2 2nd's to trade up for each. They seem to be the most likely suspects for our 3&D PG of the future.

I'm not sold on Frank Jackson, but Derrick White might be my favorite sleeper in this draft. I can't really find a weakness in his game. And his age suggests early contribution.

I'm not sold on Frank Jackson either, but the potential is definitely there for a guy who is only going to be 19 next year as a rookie. It's an upside play. Meanwhile like you said, White looks like he might be plug and play at PG for us ala Brogdon last year for the Bucks.

Kobblehead · Post #1656 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:18 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:We don't need Collins. We have a franchise center. It would be a disservice to draft him to backup Embiid.

Realistically, we have to throw in the towel on Embiid if he suffers yet another surgery-required injury this year.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1657 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:20 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:We don't need Collins. We have a franchise center. It would be a disservice to draft him to backup Embiid.

Realistically, we have to throw in the towel on Embiid if he suffers yet another surgery-required injury this year.

I hear you but this isn't the draft to do it. Give it this year and if he only plays 31 games again then I might be able to be talked into drafting a Center next year in a big man draft. I still think I would be against drafting a Center first next year but it would make more sense.

Eyeamok · Post #1658 » by **Eyeamok** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:25 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:The championship Spurs model had Duncan (Embiid) and two to three excellent creators in Tony Parker, Manu, and Diaw. The Sixers currently have only one excellent creator in Simmons (Diaw on gamma rays) and people want to pass on drafting a PG high in the draft in favor of a wing and/or drafting a less talented PG late? Not wise to pass up a chance to draft a Tony Parker clone in De'aaron Fox when an opportunity to more closely approximate the roster of the championship team the Sixers have been modeling themselves after is right in reach.

What if you are passing up the next MJ?

Tony Parker was taken # 28? The 76ers have

2nd round pick – Knicks (36th overall)
2nd round pick – Mavs (39th)
2nd round pick – Heat (46th)
2nd round pick – Hawks (50th)

And 4 first round picks in the next 2 years.

It's time for BC and his staff to do some work and stop relying on Mr. Hinkie to make things easy for them. We have Hinkie to thank for being in a position to draft Ben Simmons. We have Hinkie to thank for being in the #3 position in this draft. Let's thank BC for finding a diamond in the rough at PG if that is what this team needs.

And this is all speculation on my part. But if Ball does not have a killer workout, say he goes head to head with Fox and Fox kills him, and Jackson comes in and kills it in his workout for LA. All possibilities. Magic could easily choose Jackson. And then Ball is there for the 76ers...father and all!

SelfishPlayer · Post #1659 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:32 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:The championship Spurs model had Duncan (Embiid) and two to three excellent creators in Tony Parker, Manu, and Diaw. The Sixers currently have only one excellent creator in Simmons (Diaw on gamma rays) and people want to pass on drafting a PG high in the draft in favor of a wing and/or drafting a less talented PG late? Not wise to pass up a chance to draft a Tony Parker clone in De'aaron Fox when an opportunity to more closely approximate the roster of the championship team the Sixers have been modeling themselves after is right in reach.

I rate Jackson higher. I really do like Fox but I'm not sure about the fit. He's not that good of a shooter. Can he play off ball? I'm not sure. He's going to make some team very happy though. I hope he doesn't go to the Knicks. I do like that Fox can get any shot he wants. If he is a Wall clone I still don't know how he'd fit with Simmons. Could Wall and Simmons play together? I don't think it would work that great. Fox is definitely going to murder his workouts and may be the best workout player leading up to the draft. I might be able to be sold on Fox at 3 but it would take a lot of convincing. I still think Jackson is the best way to go.

A mistake that everyone that I have read on this Sixers forum is making is discounting how any new addition fits with Embiid while concerning themselves more with how new additions fit with Simmons. Until Simmons proves otherwise, the pecking order starts with Embiid so everything begins with him. Simmons has yet to prove on an NBA court that he can be a successful "PG" so until then he is what he was in college and what he was drafted as, a PF... Too many people are trying to draft around Simmons' weaknesses, he needs to learn how to shoot because no one would question if Draymond could play with John Wall, but it's a question with Simmons because Simmons can't shoot. You don't avoid drafting a scoring PG because you expect Simmons to hog the ball and assist hunt like TJ does. :noway:

Kobblehead · Post #1660 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:34 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I hear you but this isn't the draft to do it. Give it this year and if he only plays 31 games again then I might be able to be talked into drafting a Center next year in a big man draft. I still think I would be against drafting a Center first next year but it would make more sense.

Timing it this year could be pretty proactive and shrewd. And allow you to move Holmes at higher value with a team controlled 2 years left on his contract.

It would not be a popular move in the slightest, but hitting the ground running with a 21 year old Zach Collins in 2018-2019 as your starting C instead of a 19 year old from the 2018 draft might/could/maybe be the better play.