All Aboard! Next Stop "2017 NBA Draft Lottery" All Things Draft Thread

[greenroom31]

Fultz > Jackson > Jaylen.

Not that hard.

I'm not convinced Jackson > Jaylen yet. Remember, Jaylen is only 3 months older than Jackson and I'd say he's had a pretty solid rookie year. I think he's a better offensive player than Jackson with potential to be just as good defensively. He's not as good a passer or overall court awareness, but I think they're pretty close.

Agree that Fultz is >>> both of them however.

[greenroom31]

I hope for Fultz, but I don't care and I wont judge if we draft Jackson. I just don't see a superstar in Jackson. I see a potential star. Can't wait to hear from the workouts.

I definitely will. Fultz has the potential to be special, had a better season by a significant amount and is 15 months younger. Jackson is a super athlete and those guys always excel in college but he hasn't shown anything to make me think he's going to be a capable scorer at the next level.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

Jon Givony just said that Fultz was 6'6 in a recent podcast. How in the hell is that small?

[wickerhd]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

Fultz is 6'5", hardly a small guard. Actually, he's only an inch or two smaller than Jackson. Not going to pretend that I've seen him enough to know how he'll ultimately work out on defense, but scouts seem to feel he has the physical attributes to defend so it will come down to desire.

Based upon consensus of the scouts, I'll be very surprised if Fultz is not the pick..

[31to6]

I've been a huge Jackson booster, and think he and Jaylen at the 2/3 would be **awesome**. He projects to be a true two-way player and had some better games against better competition than Fultz did.

That said, I've also come to appreciate what a premier scorer can do for a team thanks to IT. Having that without the defensive limitations -- even if Fultz never becomes a plus defender -- would be worth the #1 IMO.

I think there's a good chance Danny and staff have their own opinions that don't just track with consensus media opinion. It'll be interesting to see what happens!

[London2Boston]

No more Josh Jackson talk please. If I see another player with a brickfest jump shot then I might cry. Take Fultz and don't look back. No need to get fancy with it.

[bucknersrevenge]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

Jon Givony just said that Fultz was 6'6 in a recent podcast. How in the hell is that small?

That wouldn't be surprising. That 6'4 measurement from what I understand was a year ago. The kid's still 18 for God's sake. Absolutely could've grown a couple of inches since last year. At 6'4, he's awesome. At 6'6, forget it...

[spikeslovechild]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

Jon Givony just said that Fultz was 6'6 in a recent podcast. How in the hell is that small?

Yeah just going off his draft express measurements. Could have grown since then.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Markelle-Fultz-90302/

[SmartWentCrazy]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

Jon Givony just said that Fultz was 6'6 in a recent podcast. How in the hell is that small?

Yeah just going off his draft express measurements. Could have grown since then.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Markelle-Fultz-90302/

No worries and sorry for jumping down your throat.

To your original point, we're just not very good trade partners, unfortunately. We have one core piece and need to add as much talent as possible. Ainge would ask for Simmons+ for #1, and BC would reject it.

[FlatearthZorro]

I've been a huge Jackson booster, and think he and Jaylen at the 2/3 would be **awesome**. He projects to be a true two-way player and had some better games against better competition than Fultz did.

That said, I've also come to appreciate what a premier scorer can do for a team thanks to IT. Having that without the defensive limitations -- even if Fultz never becomes a plus defender -- would be worth the #1 IMO.

I think there's a good chance Danny and staff have their own opinions that don't just track with consensus media opinion. It'll be interesting to see what happens!

Based off of Danny's interview that we need a scorer and shot creator/maker I think it's safe to say unless he was using misdirection that we're looking at Fultz at #1.

[Bar Fight]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

Jon Givony just said that Fultz was 6'6 in a recent podcast. How in the hell is that small?

Yeah just going off his draft express measurements. Could have grown since then.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Markelle-Fultz-90302/

I don't even see how his draft express measurements would make him a small guard. 6'4 with a 6'9-6'10 wingspan is more than sufficient at either guard spot.

[rochrist]

Well, at least with Cowherd and Bayless the answer is obvious. They're both **** idiots.

I think the 9 wins at Washington is the reason.

How the heck are you a generational talent and your college team wins only 9 games? That doesnt make sense, and that is my one red flag with fultz.

Ball is a flashy passer and a rare PG talent.

I like both, but I think fultz has more unstoppable potential.


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They lost to Yale at home even though Yale was missing 2 starters. How can a guy save a franchise in NBA but not beat Ivy leaguers? It's a legit concern.

Did you see his performance in that game? 30 points on 11-17 shooting, 2-5 on 3s, 7rebs, 6asts.

I'm not sure how you can blame that loss on him.

[rochrist]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

6'5" is not a small guard.

[ViperGTS]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

Small? When a its all said and done he may get to 6-5. Huge for a guard. Plus a massive wingspan, put to 6-10ish. Do some research before you state untruths.

[sam_I_am]

I think the 9 wins at Washington is the reason.

How the heck are you a generational talent and your college team wins only 9 games? That doesnt make sense, and that is my one red flag with fultz.

Ball is a flashy passer and a rare PG talent.

I like both, but I think fultz has more unstoppable potential.


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They lost to Yale at home even though Yale was missing 2 starters. How can a guy save a franchise in NBA but not beat Ivy leaguers? It's a legit concern.

Did you see his performance in that game? 30 points on 11-17 shooting, 2-5 on 3s, 7rebs, 6asts.

I'm not sure how you can blame that loss on him.

I'm not blaming the loss on him. I'm just saying that his best wasn't good enough to carry a team past Yale - down 2 starters. So how exactly does he carry us past Lebron?

I'm just curious if anyone can think of a great NBA player whose team was that bad in college. Admittedly, these days the best players join up at Kansas, Duke or Kentucky so often they can't help but win. But has there ever been a transcendent player like Bird, Magic, Jordan, Russell who couldn't win in college?

[Banks2Pierce]

I do wonder about the psychology of the whole thing. Like, if Danny had Ball slightly higher than Fultz, does getting the 1 pick change it since Fultz is fairly close to the consensus 1? From what I know about the Durant/Oden situation, it wasn't close for the FO so it's not exactly comparable.

[Homerclease]

I do wonder about the psychology of the whole thing. Like, if Danny had Ball slightly higher than Fultz, does getting the 1 pick change it since Fultz is fairly close to the consensus 1? From what I know about the Durant/Oden situation, it wasn't close for the FO so it's not exactly comparable.

I think DAs comments about needing another creator and a guy that can make shots at the end of games make it abundantly clear which direction he's leaning. If all 4 guys are equal on his board, the one that possesses the traits he claims to want is Fultz

[DarkAzcura]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

Jon Givony just said that Fultz was 6'6 in a recent podcast. How in the hell is that small?

If Fultz actually grew to 6'6"..holy crap!

I'm too giddy..

[SmartWentCrazy]

I do wonder about the psychology of the whole thing. Like, if Danny had Ball slightly higher than Fultz, does getting the 1 pick change it since Fultz is fairly close to the consensus 1? From what I know about the Durant/Oden situation, it wasn't close for the FO so it's not exactly comparable.

I think DAs comments about needing another creator and a guy that can make shots at the end of games make it abundantly clear which direction he's leaning. If all 4 guys are equal on his board, the one that possesses the traits he claims to want is Fultz

All of this.

Further, Ford and Goodman, both of whom are clearly connected to Ainge and have broken reports from us in the past, have gone on to mention how much Ainge loves Fultz. Too much smoke for there not to be fire.

[Jingles]

They lost to Yale at home even though Yale was missing 2 starters. How can a guy save a franchise in NBA but not beat Ivy leaguers? It's a legit concern.

Did you see his performance in that game? 30 points on 11-17 shooting, 2-5 on 3s, 7rebs, 6asts.

I'm not sure how you can blame that loss on him.

I'm not blaming the loss on him. I'm just saying that his best wasn't good enough to carry a team past Yale - down 2 starters. So how exactly does he carry us past Lebron?

I'm just curious if anyone can think of a great NBA player whose team was that bad in college. Admittedly, these days the best players join up at Kansas, Duke or Kentucky so often they can't help but win. But has there ever been a transcendent player like Bird, Magic, Jordan, Russell who couldn't win in college?

Getting past Lebron is the wrong way to think about it. Improve your team with the best available player, that's it. Ball or Jackson (or any single player) doesn't get you past Lebron on their own.