Around the NBA, 2016-17 Season thread

[Hello Brooklyn]

drastic overpay. george has shown he is an all-star but not susperstar. he could barely carry the pacers to the playoffs with a decent cast... teague won more without george in atlanta.

George played better against Lebron than any other player he has faced so far.

Thats nice and all, but the pacers still got swept and george still barely got them to the playoffs. its not like george helped push cleveland to 6 games. they got swept

He also kept it close nearly every game, which neither the Celtics or Raptors have done.

a sweep is a sweep. cavs were also coming out of their regular season coma

When he had a good supporting cast, he took Lebron's Heat to 7 games.

George is definitely a Superstar player. His supporting cast is awful.

That being said, trading 4 picks for him is just stupid lol. I wouldn't do that for anyone except top 5 players.

he isnt a superstar. which is why he didnt make the all NBA teams. he is an allstar for sure. but he isnt elite by any means. and he 100% does not have a bad supporting cast. Teague/Turner/Ellis/Miles/Jefferson/Young...

LOL you saying "getting swept" doesn't change the fact that the Pacers played better vs the Cavs than anyone else. This is due 99% to George.

George had a MUCH worse supporting cast than Lebron but never lost by more than 6 points. Pretty sure thats worse something.

A "sweep is not a sweep." If CJ Miles makes a wide open jumper, then they win a game. Don't act like Lebron or the Cavs had anything to do with a lucky turn of events.

All-NBA teams are not always right. George has proven he can play at a Superstar level almost every Playoffs he has ever been in. He has also lead a team to 60 wins and is the only player in the Eastern conference (except Pierce) to seriously challenge Lebron at his peak.

Yes that supporting cast is awful. IDK wha you're talking about. None of those players bothered showing up vs the Cavs.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The way Lebron is playing, I think the Cavs have the edge in the Finals.

We'll see though. Impossible to tell who is playing better, when both have absolutely destroyed the competition.

If the Warriors drop Game 3 to the Spurs, I think the Cavs will have an advantage.

I like the cavs chances better this year vs the warriors then when they won it last year....

Warriors were a machine last year.... as great as durant in there is alot of ball stopping now... reminds me of the heat year 1 with lebron, they hadnt come together yet with chemistry and wade/lebron took turns dominating the ball.

last years warriors had the best ball movement and chemistry id ever seen from a team. you make 1 wrong move and in a split second they find the open guy and its a three. i also think they were better running of high curry/green screen and rolls.

i think it would be similar to the OKC/Heat final where it became a glorified 3 on 3

The Warriors looked amazing last year until Steph got hurt.

They looked pretty average the rest of the way. I don't think they've ever played as well as they have now.

I think they have figured out how to use Durant a little better, ever since he got injured.

For all youre saying about last year, Lebron did overcome them in the Finals. I would rather this years Warriors than last years. But Lebron seems to have taken it a notch above what he was doing last year. Which is scary.

[Prokorov]

LOL you saying "getting swept" doesn't change the fact that the Pacers played better vs the Cavs than anyone else. This is due 99% to George.

Pacers lost in 4.
Raptors lost in 4.
Celtics down 0-2.

Pacers didnt fare better then anyone. they lost as bad as you can lose. you cant lose worse then getting swept. celtics could take a game still, although cavs are locked in so probably not.


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George had a MUCH worse supporting cast than Lebron but never lost by more than 6 points. Pretty sure thats worse something.

A "sweep is not a sweep." If CJ Miles makes a wide open jumper, then they win a game. Don't act like Lebron or the Cavs had anything to do with a lucky turn of events. [/quote]

But he didnt make the shot. if you want to live in an alternate universe where the pacers didnt get swept thats fine, but im going to go with what actually happened in reality. and in reality, they got swept.

All-NBA teams are not always right. George has proven he can play at a Superstar level almost every Playoffs he has ever been in. He has also lead a team to 60 wins and is the only player in the Eastern conference (except Pierce) to seriously challenge Lebron at his peak.

they barely made the playoffs in the east. and he didnt make the all-NBA team because he didnt belong there... he is in that next tier of players. which is stil excellent but not a superstar.

[Prokorov]

The way Lebron is playing, I think the Cavs have the edge in the Finals.

We'll see though. Impossible to tell who is playing better, when both have absolutely destroyed the competition.

If the Warriors drop Game 3 to the Spurs, I think the Cavs will have an advantage.

I like the cavs chances better this year vs the warriors then when they won it last year....

Warriors were a machine last year.... as great as durant in there is alot of ball stopping now... reminds me of the heat year 1 with lebron, they hadnt come together yet with chemistry and wade/lebron took turns dominating the ball.

last years warriors had the best ball movement and chemistry id ever seen from a team. you make 1 wrong move and in a split second they find the open guy and its a three. i also think they were better running of high curry/green screen and rolls.

i think it would be similar to the OKC/Heat final where it became a glorified 3 on 3

The Warriors looked amazing last year until Steph got hurt.

They looked pretty average the rest of the way. I don't think they've ever played as well as they have now.

I think they have figured out how to use Durant a little better, ever since he got injured.

For all youre saying about last year, Lebron did overcome them in the Finals. I would rather this years Warriors than last years. But Lebron seems to have taken it a notch above what he was doing last year. Which is scary.

yeah... well... lebron is just that good. you give lebron talent and he is unstoppable really.

[Hello Brooklyn]

LOL you saying "getting swept" doesn't change the fact that the Pacers played better vs the Cavs than anyone else. This is due 99% to George.

Pacers lost in 4.
Raptors lost in 4.
Celtics down 0-2.

Pacers didnt fare better then anyone. they lost as bad as you can lose. you cant lose worse then getting swept. celtics could take a game still, although cavs are locked in so probably not.


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George had a MUCH worse supporting cast than Lebron but never lost by more than 6 points. Pretty sure thats worse something.

A "sweep is not a sweep." If CJ Miles makes a wide open jumper, then they win a game. Don't act like Lebron or the Cavs had anything to do with a lucky turn of events.

But he didnt make the shot. if you want to live in an alternate universe where the pacers didnt get swept thats fine, but im going to go with what actually happened in reality. and in reality, they got swept.

All-NBA teams are not always right. George has proven he can play at a Superstar level almost every Playoffs he has ever been in. He has also lead a team to 60 wins and is the only player in the Eastern conference (except Pierce) to seriously challenge Lebron at his peak.

they barely made the playoffs in the east. and he didnt make the all-NBA team because he didnt belong there... he is in that next tier of players. which is stil excellent but not a superstar.[/quote]

Again not all wins and loses are created the same. I'm not sure why you don't understand this.

Winning on a missed CJ Miles jumper is not the same as losing by 50 at home. Sorry.

The Pacers showed they were capable of beating the Cavs in several games.

The Celtics/Raptors showed that they don't belong on the same floor as the Cavs.

This was entirely due to George.

[Prokorov]

Again not all wins and loses are created the same. I'm not sure why you don't understand this.

Winning on a missed CJ Miles jumper is not the same as losing by 50 at home. Sorry.

The Pacers showed they were capable of beating the Cavs in several games.

The Celtics/Raptors showed that they don't belong on the same floor as the Cavs.

This was entirely due to George.

They actually didnt show they are capable of beating them.... beating them woudl of showed they were capable of beating them. and the cavs didnt "win on a missed CJ jumper" they wont because they built a double digit lead with 2-3 minutes to go, so even a big pacers run wasnt enough to get it done.

the pacers dont belong on the same floor as the cavs either. again you cant lose worse then 4-0.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Again not all wins and loses are created the same. I'm not sure why you don't understand this.

Winning on a missed CJ Miles jumper is not the same as losing by 50 at home. Sorry.

The Pacers showed they were capable of beating the Cavs in several games.

The Celtics/Raptors showed that they don't belong on the same floor as the Cavs.

This was entirely due to George.

They actually didnt show they are capable of beating them.... beating them woudl of showed they were capable of beating them. and the cavs didnt "win on a missed CJ jumper" they wont because they built a double digit lead with 2-3 minutes to go, so even a big pacers run wasnt enough to get it done.

the pacers dont belong on the same floor as the cavs either. again you cant lose worse then 4-0.

If one play determines the game, then yes you are capable of beating someone.

Luck has no correlation to ability.

[Prokorov]

Again not all wins and loses are created the same. I'm not sure why you don't understand this.

Winning on a missed CJ Miles jumper is not the same as losing by 50 at home. Sorry.

The Pacers showed they were capable of beating the Cavs in several games.

The Celtics/Raptors showed that they don't belong on the same floor as the Cavs.

This was entirely due to George.

They actually didnt show they are capable of beating them.... beating them woudl of showed they were capable of beating them. and the cavs didnt "win on a missed CJ jumper" they wont because they built a double digit lead with 2-3 minutes to go, so even a big pacers run wasnt enough to get it done.

the pacers dont belong on the same floor as the cavs either. again you cant lose worse then 4-0.

If one play determines the game, then yes you are capable of beating someone.

Luck has no correlation to ability.

there is nothing lucky about it. he missed a shot just like there were 50+ other missed shots that game. Cavs won, plain and simple. they won all 4 games. again you cant lose worse then 4-0.

[Papi_swav]

Man it feels soooooo good seeing Boston getting spanked by 40 points !! lol fake #1 seed like everybody was saying all along.

There is nothing "fake" about the Celtics.... it isnt their fault the Cavs decided to coast/rest all year. Boston is a very good team, Cleveland is just an elite team. If the celtics are a fake 1 seed then the raps are a fake 3 seed, the wiz are a fake 4 seed etc...

Boston is still WELL ahead of schedule. 53 wins and the eastern conference finals with Jalen Brown still with tons of room to grow and getting key playoff experience. Same with Rozier. They will add the #1 pick and are players for Blake Griffin or Gordon Heyward and have a punchers chance to trade for Jimmy Butler or Paul George.

Stop it, none of those other teams got embarrassed by 40 plus points. Pacers kept it close at least. We not talking about next year or the future, we're talking about now.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Ok I'm done with this conversation lol.

The results of a process do not always correlate with the mechanisms that brought them to be.

This was one of my first lessons in the Logic 101 course I took at college.

If you cant understand that, then theres no point in me explaining it to you.

[Prokorov]

Man it feels soooooo good seeing Boston getting spanked by 40 points !! lol fake #1 seed like everybody was saying all along.

There is nothing "fake" about the Celtics.... it isnt their fault the Cavs decided to coast/rest all year. Boston is a very good team, Cleveland is just an elite team. If the celtics are a fake 1 seed then the raps are a fake 3 seed, the wiz are a fake 4 seed etc...

Boston is still WELL ahead of schedule. 53 wins and the eastern conference finals with Jalen Brown still with tons of room to grow and getting key playoff experience. Same with Rozier. They will add the #1 pick and are players for Blake Griffin or Gordon Heyward and have a punchers chance to trade for Jimmy Butler or Paul George.

Stop it, none of those other teams got embarrassed by 40 plus points. Pacers kept it close at least. We not talking about next year or the future, we're talking about now.

again, you cant lose worse then 4-0.

and if we are talking about "now" then 53 wins and the eastern conference finals is pretty damn good. Losing to lebron is no insult. 7 straight finals, no one else has come out of the east in close to a decade.

[Prokorov]

Ok I'm done with this conversation lol.

The results of a process do not always correlate with the mechanisms that brought them to be.

This was one of my first lessons in the Logic 101 course I took at college.

If you cant understand that, then theres no point in me explaining it to you.

you might want to ask for a refund on that degree then.

that isnt the way basketball ball works. you cant throw out the entire 47 minutes and and 58 seconds and say "it was all luck". Cavs missed tons of shots. they also went up 10-12 thought the game was over and took their foot off the gas. pacers played as well as they could and still lost.

they got swept. they got their faces bashed in. they couldnt steal 1 game despite cleveland coming out of their regular season hibernation. Hell the pacers nearly missed the playoffs all together where the season woudlnt even have mattered.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Ok I'm done with this conversation lol.

The results of a process do not always correlate with the mechanisms that brought them to be.

This was one of my first lessons in the Logic 101 course I took at college.

If you cant understand that, then theres no point in me explaining it to you.

you might want to ask for a refund on that degree then.

that isnt the way basketball ball works. you cant throw out the entire 47 minutes and and 58 seconds and say "it was all luck". Cavs missed tons of shots. they also went up 10-12 thought the game was over and took their foot off the gas. pacers played as well as they could and still lost.

they got swept. they got their faces bashed in. they couldnt steal 1 game despite cleveland coming out of their regular season hibernation. Hell the pacers nearly missed the playoffs all together where the season woudlnt even have mattered.

No you can't lol. Not at all.

[Papi_swav]

There is nothing "fake" about the Celtics.... it isnt their fault the Cavs decided to coast/rest all year. Boston is a very good team, Cleveland is just an elite team. If the celtics are a fake 1 seed then the raps are a fake 3 seed, the wiz are a fake 4 seed etc...

Boston is still WELL ahead of schedule. 53 wins and the eastern conference finals with Jalen Brown still with tons of room to grow and getting key playoff experience. Same with Rozier. They will add the #1 pick and are players for Blake Griffin or Gordon Heyward and have a punchers chance to trade for Jimmy Butler or Paul George.

Stop it, none of those other teams got embarrassed by 40 plus points. Pacers kept it close at least. We not talking about next year or the future, we're talking about now.

again, you cant lose worse then 4-0.

and if we are talking about "now" then 53 wins and the eastern conference finals is pretty damn good. Losing to lebron is no insult. 7 straight finals, no one else has come out of the east in close to a decade.

Yes you can lose worse then 4-0 . Losing by 30 points each game and breaking the record for the biggest blowout in ECF on your own home court is insulting and embarrassing. Cavs crushed the Celtics soul . The Pacer series was competitive and fun to watch and they had chances to win. They didn't roll over and get stomped by 50 points at no point of time in the series. No comparison, weakest #1 seed ever ! No argument here.

[Prokorov]

Stop it, none of those other teams got embarrassed by 40 plus points. Pacers kept it close at least. We not talking about next year or the future, we're talking about now.

again, you cant lose worse then 4-0.

and if we are talking about "now" then 53 wins and the eastern conference finals is pretty damn good. Losing to lebron is no insult. 7 straight finals, no one else has come out of the east in close to a decade.

Yes you can lose worse then 4-0 . Losing by 30 points each game and breaking the record for the biggest blowout in ECF on your own home court is insulting and embarrassing. Cavs crushed the Celtics soul . The Pacer series was competitive and fun to watch and they had chances to win. They didn't roll over and get stomped by 50 points at no point of time in the series. No comparison, weakest #1 seed ever ! No argument here.

how is losing 4-0 competitive. at no point where the cavs ever in danger of having that even become a competitive series.

lose by 1 or lose by 50 its still all counts as 1 loss.

[Papi_swav]

again, you cant lose worse then 4-0.

and if we are talking about "now" then 53 wins and the eastern conference finals is pretty damn good. Losing to lebron is no insult. 7 straight finals, no one else has come out of the east in close to a decade.

Yes you can lose worse then 4-0 . Losing by 30 points each game and breaking the record for the biggest blowout in ECF on your own home court is insulting and embarrassing. Cavs crushed the Celtics soul . The Pacer series was competitive and fun to watch and they had chances to win. They didn't roll over and get stomped by 50 points at no point of time in the series. No comparison, weakest #1 seed ever ! No argument here.

how is losing 4-0 competitive. at no point where the cavs ever in danger of having that even become a competitive series.

lose by 1 or lose by 50 its still all counts as 1 loss.

Sigh Prok whatever man, you just love to argue, I don't have the energy right now. I would rather lose by 1 and make LeBron break a sweat then to lay down and get stomped by 50, there is no comparison . I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of the record books.

[Prokorov]

Yes you can lose worse then 4-0 . Losing by 30 points each game and breaking the record for the biggest blowout in ECF on your own home court is insulting and embarrassing. Cavs crushed the Celtics soul . The Pacer series was competitive and fun to watch and they had chances to win. They didn't roll over and get stomped by 50 points at no point of time in the series. No comparison, weakest #1 seed ever ! No argument here.

how is losing 4-0 competitive. at no point where the cavs ever in danger of having that even become a competitive series.

lose by 1 or lose by 50 its still all counts as 1 loss.

Sigh Prok whatever man, you just love to argue, I don't have the energy right now. I would rather lose by 1 and make LeBron break a sweat then to lay down and get stomped by 50, there is no comparison . I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of the record books.

if you are asking what id prefer, yeah id prefer not to get blown out...

but people are saying that george/undy gave the cavs some kind of hard time. they got SWEPT! there is nothing worse then getting swept. you literally cant get beat by more then 4-0

[Hello Brooklyn]

I never said the Pacers gave the Cavs a hard time.

I said they played better against him than any other team they have faced. Which is undeniably true.

[Prokorov]

Man... these playoffs are rough... we are in the conference finals and on both sides its a foregone conclusion.

the finals will probably be a good long series. but getting there... ugh

[kamaze]

Lebron's team goes to the finals every year there's almost no point in watching the Eastern Conference playoffs.