Quick Pacers Fix

[cubsflan24]

I know this might be an unpopular position and my little bit of a dream set up. But I think the fastest way the Pacers can fix the team and not have to go through a long rebuild would be to trade George to the Lakers. Hope the Lakers get lucky and win the draft lotto and the Pacers pick Fultz. Pacers also in the deal get either Randle or Ingram also in the deal. Then with the money saved in the deal, sign Gordon Hayward. We can either bring back Teague or save that money for other areas since we would have Fultz at PG.

Thoughts?

[Wizop]

I'd hope Boston would compete.

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[cubsflan24]

Boston is fine with me. Just want to get the #1 pick. I think Fultz is going to be a beast. Trade with the Celtics looks like at least Nets pick and Bradley in the deal.

[basketballwacko2]

I know this might be an unpopular position and my little bit of a dream set up. But I think the fastest way the Pacers can fix the team and not have to go through a long rebuild would be to trade George to the Lakers. Hope the Lakers get lucky and win the draft lotto and the Pacers pick Fultz. Pacers also in the deal get either Randle or Ingram also in the deal. Then with the money saved in the deal, sign Gordon Hayward. We can either bring back Teague or save that money for other areas since we would have Fultz at PG.

Thoughts?

Honest to God I'm so sick of the lakers fans low balling and trying to say we have to take Mozcrap And or Dung that I hope they lose their pick to Philly. I'd much prefer to see PG go to Boston and at least someone in the East would have a chance to stop LBJ and the Cavs from winning it next year.

If we were to deal with Boston for PG and get Crowder, Bradley and the 2017 Nets pick and a 2nd pick from say 2019. I'd be happy with that. But if we trade PG to LA for any deal that includes one of those two horrid contracts I'm done with the team permanently. I'm switching to WWE wrestling and never watching another damn basketball game.

Additionally I'm thinking that if Philly got the LA pick they would be in the market to move one or both for PG. Let's say picks 2 and 4 Okafor and Covington for PG?

I saw a Thread in the T&T forum that suggested Oladipo for Monta and the #18 pick. I suggested that we could add Jefferson and 3 2nd's Plus $4 million for Kanter and that was not too poorly received.

Imagine that deal and the Boston deal?

[cubsflan24]

Ya that Boston deal if we were able to get that would be awesome. I wouldnt bring back Teague, I would save that money and use it to improve the bench. A lineup of Fultz, Bradley, Hayward, Crowder, and Turner sounds pretty good for me. Have Stephenson, Thad Young, CJ Miles coming off the bench.

[basketballwacko2]

Ya that Boston deal if we were able to get that would be awesome. I wouldnt bring back Teague, I would save that money and use it to improve the bench. A lineup of Fultz, Bradley, Hayward, Crowder, and Turner sounds pretty good for me. Have Stephenson, Thad Young, CJ Miles coming off the bench.

Assuming Hayward can be gotten away from the Jazz. I wouldn't put it past the NBA to give him All NBA and leave PG off. Never discount the NBA's willingness to screw the Pacer's it's been done before. 1985 the Knicks got the #1 over all pick Patrick Ewing after then Commish Stern did the famous double take look into the lotto barrel and pulled the card with the folded over corner, that was the Knick's card. We got Wayman Tisdale. 1987 the Spurs got the #1 we got 2nd and Smits, and who can forget Cleveland getting the #1 over all pick 3 out of 4 yrs.

And then there was the outrageous entry fees the NBA charged not only the Pacers but all 4 of the ABA teams that nearly put the Pacers out of business.

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You see it over and over in games were star players are not called for fouls but some scrub is called instead, LBJ doesn't get the foul call they call it on Frye or Richard Jefferson.

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[Wizop]

Assuming Hayward can be gotten away from the Jazz. I wouldn't put it past the NBA to give him All NBA and leave PG off. Never discount the NBA's willingness to screw the Pacer's it's been done before.

except the NBA doesn't name the all pro teams.

[celtspacers]

its hard for me to understand why anyone would trade a player as talented as Paul George for Draft picks. I would rather let Him go as a free agent than be stuck with players that will never be as good as him. How many times have you seen someone coming out of college and everyone saying he will be a superstar then he is out of the nba when his contract is up. IE Brown and Bennett both were 1st picks in the draft. You never Know how good these players will be. You Never Trade A Star Player for Draft Picks. You trade draft picks for a star player. Don't be the Dumbass Celtics and Lakers fans saying they would not trade the first pick for someone like Paul George.

[Grang33r]

The best way for the Pacers to rebuild if they trade PG is, get the top pick (or second pick), and hope the pick and Turner have solid, promising seasons in 2017-18 but the team struggles and the Pacers get into the top-8 or so pick on their own.

By the start of the 2018-19 season, Turner and whoever we draft this year first or second would be ready for stardom, and we'd have a promising prospect too. All while, LeBron James hopefully starts to slow down a bit.

[granger05]

I think the quickest fix is to use our pick or assets to move the contracts of Monte, Big Al and even Thad Young. It's rumored that the Ellis and Jefferson contracts allow a team to cut them prior to their player options coming into play so they're essentially one year deals. I think that Thad Young is a fairly neutral asset. We spent a 1st rounder on him last year and he's still the same guy with one year less on his deal. I think that if you got creative using the #18 pick and a player like GRIII then you may be able to shed these contracts.

Then assuming Miles opts out and LaVoy Allen could be waived if necessary and the Pacers would suddenly have enough for two max contracts. Pursue any two of the available FAs like Hayward and Griffin. Let Paul George make another try at the all-NBA team or insist he sign an extension before you go this route. Even if he left, you'd still be OK with a couple max guys on hand. Indiana isn't a hotbed of free agency, but they haven't had big money to spend this way before or a guy like Paul George to pair players with.

It's possible/likely PG forces his way out, but I don't see why a scenario like this isn't also possible. I think Griffin+Hayward would be the only pair that makes sense. Chris Paul qualifies for even more money and other players don't seem worth the cash. They've both been fighting in the western conference and have midwest roots so they'd seem like an easier sell on Indianapolis.

[basketballwacko2]

I'll be stunned if we sign any free agents above the middle range players. I hope we don't get stupid and spend big money on someone like Allen Crabbe or such player who was given huge money last season. There are 5-6 good players in this free agent pool. I give the Pacers a 5% chance of getting any 1 of them.

[Wizop]

I also doubt we'll spend megabucks on a free agent other than Teague but I'd sure take a run at Ibaka and Milsap.

I don't see Ellis as the problem as long as he isn't starting at SG. We'll have a bit of a catch-22 though as we expect to make the playoffs which limits our ability to cut him late in the year to void his option for the following year.

Nor do I see Jefferson as a negative although we do need to stop laying what IndyCornRows calls the double-plodder lineups. We need a second mobile 4.

[SBM]

Ellis is definitely a problem because of his coach and his lack of production. Nate is horrible and plays Ellis too many minutes and overplays his importance to the team. Thus, Ellis needs to go since it seems as if we are stuck with Nate. Big Al is still really productive. He is simply not worth your time since he is not a rotation player in the playoffs.

As for a quick fix. Hayward just walks through the door. Teague re-signs. We sign and trade Al and Monta +18 if necessary for Dwight Howard.

Teague/Stephenson
Hayward/Stephenson
PG13/Stepehson
Turner
Howard

My only issue is Stephenson is closest thing to a trustworthy sub we have.

[Wizop]

[quote="SBM"My only issue is Stephenson is closest thing to a trustworthy sub we have.[/quote]

that's because you forget GRob III. not that I agree with everything else in your post.

[SBM]

[quote="SBM"My only issue is Stephenson is closest thing to a trustworthy sub we have.

that's because you forget GRob III. not that I agree with everything else in your post.[/quote]

He is far from trustworthy. Disappears most of the time is not what I would call trustworthy.

[Wizop]

[quote="SBM"My only issue is Stephenson is closest thing to a trustworthy sub we have.

that's because you forget GRob III. not that I agree with everything else in your post.

He is far from trustworthy. Disappears most of the time is not what I would call trustworthy.[/quote]
He's young and still learning but IMHO ready for more minutes.

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[granger05]

I agree with the sentiment that it's most likely we simply sign a couple of mid range players and maybe move our pick for another veteran. I just think that's the way to ensure another meh season. I don't think it makes sense to lock up Teague at the money he'll likely command unless you know PG is resigning.

I read all the offseason articles on what the Pacers can do and they're generally pretty down on the Pacers possibilities. I see about 37 million dollars in contracts that while not "easy" to move are certainly the kinds of contracts that teams are able to shed all the time. The early outs on Ellis and Jefferson were a nice touch. Thad isn't special, but is a reliable vet with a contract that isn't terrible.

IF we shuffle those contracts away (I'd assume that takes our picks and maybe GRIII) then we're left with PG, Turner on a rookie deal and two seasons of Lance on cheap money with flexibility to rid ourselves of him if he becomes a distraction. Indy has never been a FA destination, but there are only a couple teams that can really say they are (probably LA and Miami). Everywhere else just has to get a little lucky.

Having a good young defensive center on a rookie deal and PG in the fold seems like the time to make moves like this and make a real run at FAs. Hayward has the hometown connection and Griffin is an Oklahoma guy. If there was ever a time we could maybe pull something like this off then this is it.

The order of operations is an issue because you'd have to use your assets to move the contracts prior to the draft which precedes free agency so you'd have to have some confidence in your pitch beforehand. I agree with the sentiments that all of this is unlikely, but it's not unlikely because we don't have the pieces to do it. It's unlikely because getting players to switch teams and come to small markets is a challenge.

I'd prefer they go all out on an offseason like this or ship PG out of town and move other vets for youngsters and tear it down. Do one or the other, don't be satisfied with the middle. I don't mind the team making moves to just be a playoff team on some occasions, but when you have a pending FA like this I think you need to be careful not to leave yourself hamstrung with mediocre pieces tying up cap space in the event that they do leave.

Plus it would be fun to build a superteam around PG after having to listen to other fans assume they can add him to their team for their roster detritus or just wait and add him for free in FA. I don't think there's anything unrealistic about moving those contracts and if you have the money to spend then you have a chance to make something interesting.

[boomershadow]

He is far from trustworthy. Disappears most of the time is not what I would call trustworthy.

That's why he is a sub to begin with. The NBA isn't overflowing with players that have absolutely no weaknesses and just happen to prefer coming off the bench and making less money.

[SBM]

Hate to be a downer but I doubt Blake and Hayward both come here, if they do; u clear everything you can for them and just hope Blake stays healthy. Then hope you can get a vet PG from the bargain bin. I think Blake is overrated and he may not be enough to fool PG13.

[basketballwacko2]

Ellis is definitely a problem because of his coach and his lack of production. Nate is horrible and plays Ellis too many minutes and overplays his importance to the team. Thus, Ellis needs to go since it seems as if we are stuck with Nate. Big Al is still really productive. He is simply not worth your time since he is not a rotation player in the playoffs.

As for a quick fix. Hayward just walks through the door. Teague re-signs. We sign and trade Al and Monta +18 if necessary for Dwight Howard.

Teague/Stephenson
Hayward/Stephenson
PG13/Stepehson
Turner
Howard

My only issue is Stephenson is closest thing to a trustworthy sub we have.

I'm sorry what are you talking about in the bold? "We sign and trade Al and Monta +18 if necessary for Dwight Howard."

You understand Gordon Hayward is gonna want $26 million a year, and Teague $18-22 million there is no way we have the cap space for that and then you want to acquire Dwight Howard at $23.5 Million.

Even if they renounce CJ, and drop Allen, and what did you do with Thad Young? He's making $14.8 million next year. The cap is what $101 mm next season?