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2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

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Post#1701 » by smittybanton » Sun May 21, 2017 1:59 pm

(Bledsoe and #4) for (#3, TJ Maxx and Justin Anderson)
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Post#1702 » by Kolkmania » Sun May 21, 2017 2:22 pm

smittybanton wrote:(Bledsoe and #4) for (#3, TJ Maxx and Justin Anderson)


Jackson is the perfect fit for the Suns, a wing that actually plays defense unlike their other prospects and someone who passes instead of chucking shots. If we can acquire Bledsoe by giving up minimal assets like Justin Anderson, I'd do it.
Bledsoe has a great contract for two more years, which prevents us from signing an aging PG for 35 million dollars a year. We can draft either a PF in Isaac or Tatum, or a PG who develops behind Bledsoe (he can play some off-ball as well).
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Post#1703 » by SparksFly87 » Sun May 21, 2017 2:35 pm

Kolkmania wrote:
smittybanton wrote:(Bledsoe and #4) for (#3, TJ Maxx and Justin Anderson)


Jackson is the perfect fit for the Suns, a wing that actually plays defense unlike their other prospects and someone who passes instead of chucking shots. If we can acquire Bledsoe by giving up minimal assets like Justin Anderson, I'd do it.
Bledsoe has a great contract for two more years, which prevents us from signing an aging PG for 35 million dollars a year. We can draft either a PF in Isaac or Tatum, or a PG who develops behind Bledsoe (he can play some off-ball as well).


Hell no!!! I hope we take Jackson or anyone who is left in projected top 3. Tatum can guard anyone and he is iso heavy , has no vision and slow as hell.
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Post#1704 » by Kolkmania » Sun May 21, 2017 2:39 pm

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Kolkmania wrote:
smittybanton wrote:(Bledsoe and #4) for (#3, TJ Maxx and Justin Anderson)


Jackson is the perfect fit for the Suns, a wing that actually plays defense unlike their other prospects and someone who passes instead of chucking shots. If we can acquire Bledsoe by giving up minimal assets like Justin Anderson, I'd do it.
Bledsoe has a great contract for two more years, which prevents us from signing an aging PG for 35 million dollars a year. We can draft either a PF in Isaac or Tatum, or a PG who develops behind Bledsoe (he can play some off-ball as well).


Hell no!!! I hope we take Jackson or anyone who is left in projected top 3. Tatum can guard anyone and he is iso heavy , has no vision and slow as hell.


Not the biggest fan of Tatum as well, but with Jonathan Isaac, De'Aaron Fox, Dennis Smith and Malik Monk there are plenty of other viable options.
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Post#1705 » by SparksFly87 » Sun May 21, 2017 2:45 pm

Just take Jackson he is a stud. He is becoming very underrated. He is a 2/3 wing in the mold of Tmac and Jimmy Butler. He is a stone cold killer and rarely takes plays off. He is also a excellent iso scorer off the dribble and in post without ball stopping the team. He is a perfect fit and secondary go to scoring option for Simmons along with Embiid.
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Post#1706 » by smittybanton » Sun May 21, 2017 3:01 pm

Kolkmania wrote:
smittybanton wrote:(Bledsoe and #4) for (#3, TJ Maxx and Justin Anderson)


Jackson is the perfect fit for the Suns, a wing that actually plays defense unlike their other prospects and someone who passes instead of chucking shots. If we can acquire Bledsoe by giving up minimal assets like Justin Anderson, I'd do it.
Bledsoe has a great contract for two more years, which prevents us from signing an aging PG for 35 million dollars a year. We can draft either a PF in Isaac or Tatum, or a PG who develops behind Bledsoe (he can play some off-ball as well).


I think Bledsoe would be play well off the ball. His 3pt % may go up for not having to shoot so many off the dribble. As a point guard, he has always had a pretty high turnover rate. Could be ideal for him to concentrate on scoring and defense.

I wish we could get both Ulis and Bledsoe? Bledsoe next to Ben Simmons in the starting backcourt, then Tyler Ulis off the bench to get all in Isaiah Thomas' and Kemba Walker's ass! (Bledsoe, Ulis & #4) for (#3, #36, Okafor, TJ McConnell)?
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Post#1707 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun May 21, 2017 3:03 pm

If we aren't going to be able to get DSJ or Frank N or a PG in the top 10 then BC needs to come away with either Juwun Evans or Derrick White. He must trade back into the first round.
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Post#1708 » by JMac1 » Sun May 21, 2017 3:04 pm

LloydFree wrote:See how multiple Sun's fans are coming on to the board fretting who the 76ers will take and willing to trade good starters to move up one spot? That's because it's a clear drop-off after #3. The 76ers got a gift from the heavens, with the way the draft order resulted.


Are you kidding? We just want to know who you are drafting so we can do our due diligence (basically decide as fans who'd we take in a two-man race) between Fox and Tatum....some Issac. We are not trading to move up one spot, that's crazy. A lot of Suns fans want Jackson, but a lot have trepidation with him as well, it's not like we are 100 percent Jackson or bust. Most mocks have you passing on him anyways.

You guys are going to draft someone not named Ball or Fultz. There is no one worth trading up for unless you are Sac and they want to jump us for Fox, however, we may not be taking Fox, so they could just sit and wait as well.

If you guys draft Jackson more power to you.
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Post#1709 » by smittybanton » Sun May 21, 2017 3:07 pm

sunsbg wrote:
LloydFree wrote:See how multiple Sun's fans are coming on to the board fretting who the 76ers will take and willing to trade good starters to move up one spot? That's because it's a clear drop-off after #3. The 76ers got a gift from the heavens, with the way the draft order resulted.


It's not such a great drop-off actually. It's just that from outside Jackson doesn't look like a good fit on your team. But looks like most of you think otherwise, so maybe I'm wrong. Also all Suns fans know that Colangelos value character, which could be an issue with Jackson. I would never trade Ulis + Tatum for him based on what I have seen so far.


With Alex Len (RFA), Tyson Chandler, and Alan Williams, would you have interest in Jahlil Okafor? What are you guys planning on doing at the five, pay Alex?
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Post#1710 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 21, 2017 3:08 pm

Why isn't Phoenix considering Zach Collins at #4?
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Post#1711 » by smittybanton » Sun May 21, 2017 3:09 pm

JMac1 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:See how multiple Sun's fans are coming on to the board fretting who the 76ers will take and willing to trade good starters to move up one spot? That's because it's a clear drop-off after #3. The 76ers got a gift from the heavens, with the way the draft order resulted.


Are you kidding? We just want to know who you are drafting so we can do our due diligence (basically decide as fans who'd we take in a two-man race) between Fox and Tatum....some Issac. We are not trading to move up one spot, that's crazy. A lot of Suns fans want Jackson, but a lot have trepidation with him as well, it's not like we are 100 percent Jackson or bust. Most mocks have you passing on him anyways.

You guys are going to draft someone not named Ball or Fultz. There is no one worth trading up for unless you are Sac and they want to jump us for Fox, however, we may not be taking Fox, so they could just sit and wait as well.

If you guys draft Jackson more power to you.


While you're here, same question I asked above: With Alex Len (RFA), Tyson Chandler, and Alan Williams, would you have interest in Jahlil Okafor? What are you guys planning on doing at the five, pay Alex?
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Post#1712 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 21, 2017 3:18 pm

I think it's highly likely that we get back into the end of the first round. Playoff teams don't always want the guaranteed 1st round contracts on their payrolls.

#36 and #39 could look very intriguing for someone looking to trade out. Some teams just want an upperclassmen more likely to contribute right away and prefer not having to make the commitment of guaranteed money.

Everyone will be hunting for a Malcolm Brogdon this year.
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Post#1713 » by LloydFree » Sun May 21, 2017 3:19 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:If we aren't going to be able to get DSJ or Frank N or a PG in the top 10 then BC needs to come away with either Juwun Evans or Derrick White. He must trade back into the first round.

Give the Kings Dario Saric for the #10. That should get it done.
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Post#1714 » by JMac1 » Sun May 21, 2017 3:19 pm

smittybanton wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:See how multiple Sun's fans are coming on to the board fretting who the 76ers will take and willing to trade good starters to move up one spot? That's because it's a clear drop-off after #3. The 76ers got a gift from the heavens, with the way the draft order resulted.


Are you kidding? We just want to know who you are drafting so we can do our due diligence (basically decide as fans who'd we take in a two-man race) between Fox and Tatum....some Issac. We are not trading to move up one spot, that's crazy. A lot of Suns fans want Jackson, but a lot have trepidation with him as well, it's not like we are 100 percent Jackson or bust. Most mocks have you passing on him anyways.

You guys are going to draft someone not named Ball or Fultz. There is no one worth trading up for unless you are Sac and they want to jump us for Fox, however, we may not be taking Fox, so they could just sit and wait as well.

If you guys draft Jackson more power to you.


While you're here, same question I asked above: With Alex Len (RFA), Tyson Chandler, and Alan Williams, would you have interest in Jahlil Okafor? What are you guys planning on doing at the five, pay Alex?


You are asking the wrong person, I love Oakfor, I just think he is in the wrong place (PHilly). Most Suns fans don'tlike his style of play, so that's a no go for Oka. We want to keep Len, but think he will get over paid elsewhere. We will start Tyson and let Sauce and Bender get some time at the 5.
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Post#1715 » by JMac1 » Sun May 21, 2017 3:27 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Why isn't Phoenix considering Zach Collins at #4?


Funny you should ask. A lot of guys are talking him up, but at number 3?!? That's too high, plus you have Sauce and Bender to give some time there.
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Post#1716 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun May 21, 2017 3:33 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:If we aren't going to be able to get DSJ or Frank N or a PG in the top 10 then BC needs to come away with either Juwun Evans or Derrick White. He must trade back into the first round.

Give the Kings Dario Saric for the #10. That should get it done.


I'd do that. I love that Dario kept his word and will always respect him and love him for that. I also like him as a player but I do that trade in a second. BC would immediately get hate and say he's trying to get rid of everyone Hinkie got but I like that trade. Mitchell could be there. Frank N could be there. We have to get back into the middle of the first round. I want a PG. we keep pushing it off to the next year. Yes I know Simmons is our point but we still need another. I want DSJ but we would have to get into the top 6. Ugh.
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Post#1717 » by Sportfan73 » Sun May 21, 2017 3:39 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:If we aren't going to be able to get DSJ or Frank N or a PG in the top 10 then BC needs to come away with either Juwun Evans or Derrick White. He must trade back into the first round.

Give the Kings Dario Saric for the #10. That should get it done.


I'd do that. I love that Dario kept his word and will always respect him and love him for that. I also like him as a player but I do that trade in a second. BC would immediately get hate and say he's trying to get rid of everyone Hinkie got but I like that trade. Mitchell could be there. Frank N could be there. We have to get back into the middle of the first round. I want a PG. we keep pushing it off to the next year. Yes I know Simmons is our point but we still need another. I want DSJ but we would have to get into the top 6. Ugh.

I'd be all in on that. I'd be scared that BC would take Lauri tho


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Post#1718 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 21, 2017 3:41 pm

JMac1 wrote:Funny you should ask. A lot of guys are talking him up, but at number 3?!? That's too high, plus you have Sauce and Bender to give some time there.

I love Alan Williams. I think he's a perfect back-up C to have. But Bender is wayyyyyy too weak on the glass to ever be a viable option at the 5, IMO.

If you're more comfortable sticking to consensus big boards, by all means, stick with the usual suspects. I just personally feel that Phoenix should be choosing between Isaac and Collins at #4.
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Post#1719 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 21, 2017 3:46 pm

I think Dario is going to be a good player and I love his intangibles, but I have no problem making an early call on him not being a core piece and flipping him for an asset that I feel can lead me to getting a prospect that I do feel great about.
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Post#1720 » by smittybanton » Sun May 21, 2017 3:47 pm

JMac1 wrote:
smittybanton wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
Are you kidding? We just want to know who you are drafting so we can do our due diligence (basically decide as fans who'd we take in a two-man race) between Fox and Tatum....some Issac. We are not trading to move up one spot, that's crazy. A lot of Suns fans want Jackson, but a lot have trepidation with him as well, it's not like we are 100 percent Jackson or bust. Most mocks have you passing on him anyways.

You guys are going to draft someone not named Ball or Fultz. There is no one worth trading up for unless you are Sac and they want to jump us for Fox, however, we may not be taking Fox, so they could just sit and wait as well.

If you guys draft Jackson more power to you.


While you're here, same question I asked above: With Alex Len (RFA), Tyson Chandler, and Alan Williams, would you have interest in Jahlil Okafor? What are you guys planning on doing at the five, pay Alex?


You are asking the wrong person, I love Oakfor, I just think he is in the wrong place (PHilly). Most Suns fans don'tlike his style of play, so that's a no go for Oka. We want to keep Len, but think he will get over paid elsewhere. We will start Tyson and let Sauce and Bender get some time at the 5.



Understood. I'm one of the few prokafor's here in the sense I think he's becoming exactly who he was supposed to be, a low post scorer who's a defensive liability. That was the scouting report, that's what we saw in high school and college, and that's who he is. Folks bash him like they didn't know what time it was. As much as I worship at the altar, Hinkie is to blame for that, if anyone. Anyway, you guys have two things we don't in regards to Okafor: a) guards who play good defense in Ulis, Bledsoe, b) a four who can shoot and block shots, Marquese Chriss, possibly Bender.

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