Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[OAKLEY_2]

All the guys I want are mocked out of our range on most drafts.

Gonna need someone to fall or for another team to take a low mocked guy higher.

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I feel this way every draft

This one feels better than last year. I think we have a shot at a slew of 19 year old Freshmen which I find encouraging especially at number 23. Also there are going to be good undrafted players who will get signed.

[Red_Claw]

We are not in the middle.

Yes we are because we've reached our peak and we aren't at the top.

What if we win 60 next year?

If we underachieve in the playoffs again, who cares?

I love season play cause i like watching the team grow into what i hope to be a competitive playoff team. But if our season strategies don't equal play off success, the season is a waste of time.

Id rather get into the playoffs by the skin of our teeth and be a real threat than the way things have gone the last few years.

[OAKLEY_2]

Yes we are because we've reached our peak and we aren't at the top.

What if we win 60 next year?

If we underachieve in the playoffs again, who cares?

I love season play cause i like watching the team grow into what i hope to be a competitive playoff team. But if our season strategies don't equal play off success, the season is a waste of time.

Id rather get into the playoffs by the skin of our teeth and be a real threat than the way things have gone the last few years.

If we tank the only place we smell the playoffs is in our hopeful conventional wisdom projections because it is as unproven and conceptual as any pick we might select.

[ATLTimekeeper]

some interesting stuff from this guy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/6c8l9y/nba_analytics_mercenary_back_for_a_round_three/

He seems really down on Dennis Smith Jr. because of his inefficient pick and roll play. I was pretty high on him, but he makes a good argument.

[Red_Claw]

What if we win 60 next year?

If we underachieve in the playoffs again, who cares?

I love season play cause i like watching the team grow into what i hope to be a competitive playoff team. But if our season strategies don't equal play off success, the season is a waste of time.

Id rather get into the playoffs by the skin of our teeth and be a real threat than the way things have gone the last few years.

If we tank the only place we smell the playoffs is in our hopeful conventional wisdom projections because it is as unproven and conceptual as any pick we might select.

I gave you the wrong impression. I agree completely. I don't believe in tanking.

1. You have to beat other teams at being the worst team in the league.
2. If you can do that, you only have a 25% chance at 1st
3. Even with the first pick, theres actually same amount of chance that he'll be the player everyone wants him to be or even worse, Greg Oden.

Masai has done a great job with the draft and i think we only need a retool with our main guys. We can be back at competing for a championship within 2 seasons if the right decisions are made and with a little luck.

[Syd-TK3]

All the guys I want are mocked out of our range on most drafts.

Gonna need someone to fall or for another team to take a low mocked guy higher.

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I feel this way every draft

This one feels better than last year. I think we have a shot at a slew of 19 year old Freshmen which I find encouraging especially at number 23. Also there are going to be good undrafted players who will get signed.

Yeah I'm really hoping we can get a young player this year with some good high upside.
Doesn't have to be a crazy project like Bruno

[DrCoach]

This pick has Harry Giles written all over it

[OAKLEY_2]

This pick has Harry Giles written all over it

He has Daniel Orton stats which is f-f-frightening. So does Ferguson but at least he has freakish athleticism. I am willing to bet we do not select a centre. Here is my 100 kopec wager.

[BoyzNTheHood]

some interesting stuff from this guy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/6c8l9y/nba_analytics_mercenary_back_for_a_round_three/

He seems really down on Dennis Smith Jr. because of his inefficient pick and roll play. I was pretty high on him, but he makes a good argument.

Holy hell that guy is amazing. He makes our board look like a bunch of Jim Kelly's...

[OAKLEY_2]

If we underachieve in the playoffs again, who cares?

I love season play cause i like watching the team grow into what i hope to be a competitive playoff team. But if our season strategies don't equal play off success, the season is a waste of time.

Id rather get into the playoffs by the skin of our teeth and be a real threat than the way things have gone the last few years.

If we tank the only place we smell the playoffs is in our hopeful conventional wisdom projections because it is as unproven and conceptual as any pick we might select.

I gave you the wrong impression. I agree completely. I don't believe in tanking.

1. You have to beat other teams at being the worst team in the league.
2. If you can do that, you only have a 25% chance at 1st
3. Even with the first pick, theres actually same amount of chance that he'll be the player everyone wants him to be or even worse, Greg Oden.

Masai has done a great job with the draft and i think we only need a retool with our main guys. We can be back at competing for a championship within 2 seasons if the right decisions are made and with a little luck.

With the right coach and some savvy moves we could lose KL and or DD and still be a playoff team albeit maybe a swept first round one. But, I do not think it would trainwreck us to lose "our guys" because one asset namely Demar could be nicely converted when cashing out. The secret is to have guys like Ibaka, Tucker and another vet if hitting a core altering reset. Could look pretty good and I would never call that tanking. Cashing some chips maybe.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Here's the thing....

I did not know he had that type of handle

This could be another one of those cases where a Kentucky player's true ability is buried under the incredible glut of talent coach Cal recruits.

Since the season is over we've seen this dude hitting 3's and displaying a tight handle. Of course, it has all been in workouts against invisible men, but still...

Watch on YouTube

[OAKLEY_2]

Here's the thing....

I did not know he had that type of handle

This could be another one of those cases where a Kentucky player's true ability is buried under the incredible glut of talent coach Cal recruits.

Since the season is over we've seen this dude hitting 3's and displaying a tight handle. Of course, it has all been in workouts against invisible men, but still...

Watch on YouTube

This guy is great.

[RaptorsNorth]

I Don't see us taking another center unless we plan on moving bebe or we're picking a centre to package in a trade. We're taking a SF or PF that can shoot the ball. I'm basing this off what Masai said in his end of the season interview. The fact you can go small with serge playing centre makes taking another centre pointless when you're not only deep at that position but can't even find any real minutes for Jakob. The fact that we're low on SF's and PF's leads me to believe masai will take a power foward or Small foward just incase sh.. Hits the fan and we're stuck in a situation similar to the pascal situation where we had to throw him in the fire early. Right now pascal and bruno are our only back up SF and PF under contract.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Adebayo looks like Amar'e Stoudemire in that vid.

[CoachJReturns]

Here's the thing....

I did not know he had that type of handle

This could be another one of those cases where a Kentucky player's true ability is buried under the incredible glut of talent coach Cal recruits.

Since the season is over we've seen this dude hitting 3's and displaying a tight handle. Of course, it has all been in workouts against invisible men, but still...

Watch on YouTube

Handle looks sloppy. Only center I could see us maybe being interested in is Adebayo who Ford said Masi liked. He's got elite length and shot blocking potential. Bam won't be the pick. I think one of the 3 point shooting big will be the pick particularly with Patterson likely gone for ca reasons.

[RaptorsLife]

Here's the thing....

I did not know he had that type of handle

This could be another one of those cases where a Kentucky player's true ability is buried under the incredible glut of talent coach Cal recruits.

Since the season is over we've seen this dude hitting 3's and displaying a tight handle. Of course, it has all been in workouts against invisible men, but still...

Watch on YouTube

Handle looks sloppy. Only center I could see us maybe being interested in is Adebayo who Ford said Masi liked. He's got elite length and shot blocking potential. Bam won't be the pick. I think one of the 3 point shooting big will be the pick particularly with Patterson likely gone for ca reasons.

You mean ike anigbogu. Bam and adebayo are same person lol

[BoyzNTheHood]

Here's the thing....

I did not know he had that type of handle

This could be another one of those cases where a Kentucky player's true ability is buried under the incredible glut of talent coach Cal recruits.

Since the season is over we've seen this dude hitting 3's and displaying a tight handle. Of course, it has all been in workouts against invisible men, but still...

Watch on YouTube

Handle looks sloppy. Only center I could see us maybe being interested in is Adebayo who Ford said Masi liked. He's got elite length and shot blocking potential. Bam won't be the pick. I think one of the 3 point shooting big will be the pick particularly with Patterson likely gone for ca reasons.

How does his handle look sloppy? Not even close. Do you expect him to be Kyrie freakin Irving? He's still a big man, have some perspective.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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[PhilBlackson]

Here's the thing....

I did not know he had that type of handle

This could be another one of those cases where a Kentucky player's true ability is buried under the incredible glut of talent coach Cal recruits.

Since the season is over we've seen this dude hitting 3's and displaying a tight handle. Of course, it has all been in workouts against invisible men, but still...

Watch on YouTube

Handle looks sloppy. Only center I could see us maybe being interested in is Adebayo who Ford said Masi liked. He's got elite length and shot blocking potential. Bam won't be the pick. I think one of the 3 point shooting big will be the pick particularly with Patterson likely gone for ca reasons.

Adebayo does not have elite length hence why he's been called a Mini Dwight Howard. His length is far more on par with a PF and not a particularly long one either ie/ Bam is 6'9 with 7'2 3/4 wingspan meanwhile Siakam who isn't a big PF himself is 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan hence why he is projected later in the draft. Porz would be a PF with elite length.

BUT of course his explosiveness and being built like a brickhouse can make a huge difference over Siakam...just saying his length isn't elite.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Here's the thing....

I did not know he had that type of handle

This could be another one of those cases where a Kentucky player's true ability is buried under the incredible glut of talent coach Cal recruits.

Since the season is over we've seen this dude hitting 3's and displaying a tight handle. Of course, it has all been in workouts against invisible men, but still...

Watch on YouTube

Handle looks sloppy. Only center I could see us maybe being interested in is Adebayo who Ford said Masi liked. He's got elite length and shot blocking potential. Bam won't be the pick. I think one of the 3 point shooting big will be the pick particularly with Patterson likely gone for ca reasons.

Adebayo does not have elite length hence why he's been called a Mini Dwight Howard. His length is far more on par with a PF and not a particularly long one either ie/ Bam is 6'9 with 7'2 3/4 wingspan meanwhile Siakam who isn't a big PF himself is 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan hence why he is projected later in the draft. Porz would be a PF with elite length.

BUT of course his explosiveness and being built like a brickhouse can make a huge difference over Siakam...just saying his length isn't elite.

Yeah, he compares favourably to Amare Stoudamire.