2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[ATTL]

Does trading for Jimmy Butler propel us into the playoffs?
The draft is on June 22nd, if we offered Knight (to match contracts), Derrick Jones Jr the #4 pick, our 2019 1st (lotto protected), both Miami picks. We renounce Len's rights and allow him to sign with whatever team.
We should still have enough money to sign a max contract to upcoming free agents when free agency begins July 1st. Go after Blake Griffin, Serge Ibaka, or Paul Millsap. Keep Alan Williams and Ronnie Price.

We'd have a great mix of young guys and veterans:
Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Blake/Chandler
Ulis/LB/Warren/Chriss/Bender

There ya go Frank! Do we got enough to compete with the Warriors? I assume Warriors lose a lot of depth this offseason. Oh, and Blake Griffin says what sold him to the Suns (besides playing with BleedButtBook) is his brother Taylor said how amazing our facilities and medical staff were. So we can thank our front office for always drafting the lesser brother because it finally paid off!

A lesser(equal?) version of the clippers that got beat by the jazz?

[King4Day]

In a simulation offseason I was just offered Lin, RHJ and 26 for Bledsoe. That's one of the more interesting ones. Denver and Utah are hot after him and I told them to come up with good 3 way trades so they are working it pretty hard. I guess Brookly would keep him or flip him for Anunoby and other pieces.

It's just nitpicking but the Nets have the 27th and 22nd picks. Not the 26.
Either way, not a terrible idea but unless we got rid of Knight, we'd still have a guard logjam.

[TOO]

2017 1st for Boogie? Nah man. Dude is a career loser.

Well he'll fit right in.


No one apart from Chandler has won anything on the Suns.

Barbosa?

Seriously though, giving up assets for a guy who can bolt in a year is the same reason we shouldnt pursue Paul George, a top 5 pick in a good draft for a 1 year rental? Pass.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The real elephant in the room this summer is Knight. I assume their first choice is to hope that some team like the Nets or Sixers strike out of FA and would be willing to absorb Knight into cap space for free. If that doesn't work the might look for another bad contract to swap him with. Maybe a team like Washington would deal Mahimni for him to get some scoring off the bench and for the suns you would at least get a bench big with the money used on Knight. Another possibility could be Milwaukee for Jon Henson who has fallen out of favor.

Now if none of this works that's where they have a very hard decision with 3 possibilities. You could simply keep him and play him hoping he plays better and rehabs some trade value. I kind of doubt they want to do this and I get the feeling Watson straight up hates Knight. Option 2 is to buy him out or simply release him; what really sucks about that option is the money is dead and can't even be used to match up salaries in a trade. Option 3 is to send him home but not release him so that they could use him in a trade at some point but with 3 years remaining on his deal this might draw some fire from the players union. No real good options and I'm not even sure what I would do... pray like hell they find a taker I guess.

[bwgood77]

In a simulation offseason I was just offered Lin, RHJ and 26 for Bledsoe. That's one of the more interesting ones. Denver and Utah are hot after him and I told them to come up with good 3 way trades so they are working it pretty hard. I guess Brooklyn would keep him or flip him for Anunoby and other pieces.

It's just nitpicking but the Nets have the 27th and 22nd picks. Not the 26.
Either way, not a terrible idea but unless we got rid of Knight, we'd still have a guard logjam.

This is a deal I was offered...and they WOULD take back the worst contract (though I don't know they'd want Knight if they get Bledsoe)..

Surprisingly, Len has almost identical #s as Bledsoe, but more assists, fewer turnovers and a much better 3pt shooter...makes less as well. Comparison... http://bkref.com/tiny/ATTWb

Any interest in:

#26, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Jeremy Lin

for

Eric Bledsoe

i can also take back your worst contract (Chandler?)

If I did this I'd go for 22.

[bwgood77]

If we had a pick in the mid 20s, who would you target? What are your thoughts on Luke Kennard (44% 3pt shooter, Booker backup), and Jawun Evans? Anyone else you'd prefer if we didn't draft a PG with our first pick?

This is for your mock offseason thing right? So I assume we'd be giving up Bledsoe for what you said was Lin, RHJ, and the pick you're asking about? I don't know if I'd do that personally, I think we could do better. I'm not a big RHJ fan, Lin is a step back from Bledsoe without solving any problems, and a mid-20s pick doesn't have the high enough chances of being productive.

But to answer your question, going off who DX has projected in the 20s I like Isaiah Hartenstein and Jonathan Jeanne for us as center projects, especially if we move on from Len. Hamidou Diallo would also be a pretty interesting pick that fits the young, long, athletic, tough defensive mold that we've been adding to the team, especially if his shot has improved while he was practicing with Kentucky. I like Evans, he's a good player and had an awesome game against Kansas at the end of the season, but he's a bit short and an average athlete, so I see him more likely as being a productive career backup PG. Kennard probably won't be around in the 20s, but he's a safe bet to be able to shoot and score the ball in the NBA and we could use that. I don't see a lot of upside in him between average athleticism, short wingspan, and bad defensive profile, which we have enough of.

Yes, it is, but besides Lin, RHJ and that pick, they'd take back Knight as well.

I was also offered Barton, Mudiay and Anunoby. Utah wants to offer Favors. I told them I would need some sort of PG coming back. And now I got offered that deal.

I agree that it seems like we could get a better deal for Bledsoe, but I am not sure that's the case after the draft. I think his value decreases. I guess the question is whether or not we are determined to give Bledsoe his next deal. If that's the case, no reason to trade him. If not, I imagine deals will only get worse, particularly if he has any injury issues.

I wouldn't totally mind a lineup starting either Ulis, Booker, Warren, Chriss, Bender (or we could start out with Chandler) with a bench of say Lin, Kennard, RHJ, Tatum?, Williams

Scorers, shooters and a defensive wing on 2nd unit. Then we still have Dudley, Len, and our two second rounders.

[bwgood77]

And then I got these two offers:

Another option

UTA gets Bledsoe
PHX gets Ricky Rubio, Nemanja Bjelica, first round pick
MIN gets Derrick Favors or (Dante Exum or Trey Lyles)*
*+additional pick if MIN wants Exum or Lyles

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And one more:
DerrickNoah wrote:
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UTA gets Bledsoe
PHX gets Dennis Schroder, Iman Shumpert, first round pick
ATL gets Derrick Favors or (Dante Exum or Trey Lyles)*
*+additional pick if MIN wants Exum or Lyles


Thoughts?

[SideSwipe]

And then I got these two offers:

Another option

UTA gets Bledsoe
PHX gets Ricky Rubio, Nemanja Bjelica, first round pick
MIN gets Derrick Favors or (Dante Exum or Trey Lyles)*
*+additional pick if MIN wants Exum or Lyles

-----------------------------------------------------------------
And one more:
DerrickNoah wrote:
.
UTA gets Bledsoe
PHX gets Dennis Schroder, Iman Shumpert, first round pick
ATL gets Derrick Favors or (Dante Exum or Trey Lyles)*
*+additional pick if MIN wants Exum or Lyles


Thoughts?

Who's picks are those? Is it Minny's pick in the first trade? If it is, that trade wins in my book. If its the UTA pick in both cases, they are both meh...if it's the UTA pick in the first one, but ATL's pick in the second one, then it's close, but probably the Schroeder package.

[bwgood77]

And then I got these two offers:

Another option

UTA gets Bledsoe
PHX gets Ricky Rubio, Nemanja Bjelica, first round pick
MIN gets Derrick Favors or (Dante Exum or Trey Lyles)*
*+additional pick if MIN wants Exum or Lyles

-----------------------------------------------------------------
And one more:
DerrickNoah wrote:
.
UTA gets Bledsoe
PHX gets Dennis Schroder, Iman Shumpert, first round pick
ATL gets Derrick Favors or (Dante Exum or Trey Lyles)*
*+additional pick if MIN wants Exum or Lyles


Thoughts?

Who's picks are those? Is it Minny's pick in the first trade? If it is, that trade wins in my book. If its the UTA pick in both cases, they are both meh...if it's the UTA pick in the first one, but ATL's pick in the second one, then it's close, but probably the Schroeder package.

I assume not their pick this year since we are most of the way through the first round. They took Isaac and I already drafted Tatum. If I knew I would have had this many offers for the pick I would possibly have taken Fox or another PG. I tried moving down with no success. So I basically put it out there that if I was to trade Bledsoe, I'd want a young PG, a first round pick and could use a defensive wing.

This is where a bunch of offers came in... viewtopic.php?f=340&t=1565759&start=680#p55654580

And then it resumes a couple pages later.

[bwgood77]

In a simulation offseason I was just offered Lin, RHJ and 26 for Bledsoe. That's one of the more interesting ones. Denver and Utah are hot after him and I told them to come up with good 3 way trades so they are working it pretty hard. I guess Brookly would keep him or flip him for Anunoby and other pieces.

It's just nitpicking but the Nets have the 27th and 22nd picks. Not the 26.
Either way, not a terrible idea but unless we got rid of Knight, we'd still have a guard logjam.

Nets would take Knight too, free of additional charge. I might be able to swap LeVert in for RHJ as well, though we probably need the defense more, even though I love LeVert.

[Sunzgunz]

And then I got these two offers:

Another option

UTA gets Bledsoe
PHX gets Ricky Rubio, Nemanja Bjelica, first round pick
MIN gets Derrick Favors or (Dante Exum or Trey Lyles)*
*+additional pick if MIN wants Exum or Lyles

-----------------------------------------------------------------
And one more:
DerrickNoah wrote:
.
UTA gets Bledsoe
PHX gets Dennis Schroder, Iman Shumpert, first round pick
ATL gets Derrick Favors or (Dante Exum or Trey Lyles)*
*+additional pick if MIN wants Exum or Lyles


Thoughts?

Yes to both if it's this year, fairly safe to say that one of fultz, ball, fox, jackson, isaac or dsj will be there.....with any of these guys yes....otherwise I might hold off. Id probably do it if tatum is there as well....well, maybe.

[Qwigglez]

Spoiler:

Does trading for Jimmy Butler propel us into the playoffs?
The draft is on June 22nd, if we offered Knight (to match contracts), Derrick Jones Jr the #4 pick, our 2019 1st (lotto protected), both Miami picks. We renounce Len's rights and allow him to sign with whatever team.
We should still have enough money to sign a max contract to upcoming free agents when free agency begins July 1st. Go after Blake Griffin, Serge Ibaka, or Paul Millsap. Keep Alan Williams and Ronnie Price.

We'd have a great mix of young guys and veterans:
Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Blake/Chandler
Ulis/LB/Warren/Chriss/Bender

There ya go Frank! Do we got enough to compete with the Warriors? I assume Warriors lose a lot of depth this offseason. Oh, and Blake Griffin says what sold him to the Suns (besides playing with BleedButtBook) is his brother Taylor said how amazing our facilities and medical staff were. So we can thank our front office for always drafting the lesser brother because it finally paid off!

A lesser(equal?) version of the clippers that got beat by the jazz?

I feel the Clippers are overrated. Tyson Chandler provides the same defensive presence as DeAndre Jordan, but has better FT%. Offensively they provide almost the same thing too IMO. Jordan is probably the most overrated all-star this past all-star game.
As far as that roster compared with the Clippers, I feel like we would be far superior, and definitely a deeper bench.

Anyhow, I'm not completely sold on the front office drafting a player at No 4. I believe their is a slight chance we trade it depending on who the 1st 3 selections are, and if we feel a lot of teams are trying to sell players. If most teams are sellers this offseason because there isn't any parity in the NBA, we can take advantage of that. We might be able to become that 3rd powerhouse team by acquiring a Jimmy Butler, and then signing a top tier free agent. I reckon Booker's efficiency would be similar to what Beal had done this year if he was surrounded by elite players (not saying Beal was surrounded by elite players, but at the very least above average).

[NTB]

Spoiler:

Does trading for Jimmy Butler propel us into the playoffs?
The draft is on June 22nd, if we offered Knight (to match contracts), Derrick Jones Jr the #4 pick, our 2019 1st (lotto protected), both Miami picks. We renounce Len's rights and allow him to sign with whatever team.
We should still have enough money to sign a max contract to upcoming free agents when free agency begins July 1st. Go after Blake Griffin, Serge Ibaka, or Paul Millsap. Keep Alan Williams and Ronnie Price.

We'd have a great mix of young guys and veterans:
Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Blake/Chandler
Ulis/LB/Warren/Chriss/Bender

There ya go Frank! Do we got enough to compete with the Warriors? I assume Warriors lose a lot of depth this offseason. Oh, and Blake Griffin says what sold him to the Suns (besides playing with BleedButtBook) is his brother Taylor said how amazing our facilities and medical staff were. So we can thank our front office for always drafting the lesser brother because it finally paid off!

A lesser(equal?) version of the clippers that got beat by the jazz?

I feel the Clippers are overrated. Tyson Chandler provides the same defensive presence as DeAndre Jordan, but has better FT%. Offensively they provide almost the same thing too IMO. Jordan is probably the most overrated all-star this past all-star game.
As far as that roster compared with the Clippers, I feel like we would be far superior, and definitely a deeper bench.

Anyhow, I'm not completely sold on the front office drafting a player at No 4. I believe their is a slight chance we trade it depending on who the 1st 3 selections are, and if we feel a lot of teams are trying to sell players. If most teams are sellers this offseason because there isn't any parity in the NBA, we can take advantage of that. We might be able to become that 3rd powerhouse team by acquiring a Jimmy Butler, and then signing a top tier free agent. I reckon Booker's efficiency would be similar to what Beal had done this year if he was surrounded by elite players (not saying Beal was surrounded by elite players, but at the very least above average).

Lol what? Tyson Chandler is not even providing a defensive presence anymore.

[Qwigglez]

^Whenever I watched the Clippers this year, Jordan hardly provided anything either.

[Frank Lee]

Quiggs thats a doable path that I think McDo has in his atlas. It is relatively simple... yes, acquiring Butler will cost us some nice pieces, but giving up #4 isn't the end of the youth movement rebuild. Id think a few FAs might take notice and want to sign on, as not everyone can play for GSt or Cleve. Adding Butler and Milsap would be a huge influx of talent and vault us into contender talk, at least on paper, but Im not sure Camp Counselor Watson could coax us to the WCFs. That squad is one that would be dangerous if it gelled.

Seems all of our strategies going forward first involve the 'keep Bled or trade Bled' fork in the road, and the intersection (draft day) is coming up.

[bigfoot]

Williams getting some national exposure as a top 25 free agent by ESPN. Wonder how this is going to impact his payday. He certainly will be smiling all the way to the bank this summer

http://arizonasports.com/story/1124351/espn-phoenix-suns-alan-williams-is-a-top-30-free-agent/

[Sunzgunz]

Williams getting some national exposure as a top 25 free agent by ESPN. Wonder how this is going to impact his payday. He certainly will be smiling all the way to the bank this summer

http://arizonasports.com/story/1124351/espn-phoenix-suns-alan-williams-is-a-top-30-free-agent/

Give that kid his money phx! We shouldn't lose him, local hard working kid whose parents are embedded in the community. Not like were talking 10 million a year.

His story is all that right in the world today.

Weird thing, watching him play, no frills or shine, ends up with a double double at the end, and Im like wtf? I don't remember any of it. Just a hard worker. The turtle that just continues at a steady pace.

[carey]

Big Sauce is a hard worker, no doubt. He's a 6' 8" center though and you can't overpay those guys. Especially if they are going to be your 3rd string center. If you're saying good-bye to Len and turning over the back-up role to Williams exclusively that is a slightly different story. McDonough has a lot of tough decisions to make this Summer that will greatly shape the franchise going forward and this is one of them since it is tied into what the team does with Len.

[darealjuice]

Great video (narrated by Kobe) about what makes the Warriors' offense so difficult to defend. It's a quick, pretty entertaining watch, and I definitely recommend it to anyone curious to see how their offensive scheme differs from the bulk of the league.

They play an offense that gets compared to the SSOL Suns because of their fast pace and high scoring, but to me it's more of a fast-paced, modern iteration of the triangle offense. It's really beautiful to watch compared to the pick-and-roll offense that has dominated the league. Lots of post action with the intention of finding cutters/shooters instead of scoring individually, minimal 1-on-1 isolation possessions unless it comes from the offense, split screens on the perimeter between very good shooters that require a great degree of awareness and positioning on defense to avoid giving up backdoor cuts and open shoots, off-ball screens and cuts to the basketball on nearly every pass. They still get a lot of the mismatches that PnR offenses get, but in my opinion there's a lot more opportunity to score in that kind of offense than the scheme of: screen @ top of key > dribble-drive > wait for defender to cheat > pass to their man on the perimeter > shoot > rinse/repeat. Their roster is ideal for it between 3 of the best perimeter scorers in the game, Draymond and KD as playmakers in the low/mid/high-post, Zaza and McGee as constant head hunting screeners that can dive to the rim when their man cheats to cover the bigger offensive threats, and high iq veterans that contribute on both ends. I wouldn't mind seeing us shift toward that style of play, although we don't have the point guard or another outside shooter on the wing for it quite yet (I think Bender, Chriss, and Booker are decent building blocks though).

[WeekapaugGroove]

There would need to be some cap magic to fit both milsap and butler in salary wise. Milsap is looking for like 25mil a year.

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