Indiana/Minnesota/Boston 3-way

[Kupchak9]

Expiring PG isn't worth this much. A framework of #7 + Crowder going to IND is more appropriate.

Minnesota trades #7 straight up for #1? Fine by me!

Yeah so what the hell do the Wolves end up getting LOL

[NashtyNas]

This is a fair counter-argument. But I think he could realize next year is their last best shot to top the Cavs, with Thomas entering his final year. George will be able to help Boston beat Cleveland next year far more than Fultz or any other rookie could.

I don't think even you believe that when you write it knowing how knowledgeable you are about the game.
Even if what you say is true, whatever that chance might be, is it worth mortgaging the next decade of your future potential?
I think you know my answer to that - we'll have to wait to see what Ainge's answer is.

I'm not against Boston moving the #1 but it needs to be the absolute right circumstances and they need to have already acquired someone via FA to make that viable (or have had some sort of handshake agreement on a guy signing a la 2008). I'm not sure George is that circumstance, certainly not when he can bolt in a year and go to what seems to be his preferred destination in LA. He's a piece I think Boston should and would love to add, but again, I'm not sure they do it at the cost of #1.

Now if Davis, Westbrook or Leonard were available, that would be another story.

[Mystical Apples]

Expiring PG isn't worth this much. A framework of #7 + Crowder going to IND is more appropriate.

Minnesota trades #7 straight up for #1? Fine by me!

Yeah so what the hell do the Wolves end up getting LOL

BOS and MIN shouldn't do this trade. Point being PG's value is closer to a mid-lotto + late-lotto, IMO. Maybe slightly less.

[SmartWentCrazy]

There's just no way the Celtics can risk trading 8 years of Fultz for 1 years of PG. They'd pass on this trade.

I would do Crowder for 7, though. Celtics need to trade one of Crowder/Bradley for the room to offer a max this summer, and this is likely the best possible return for them.

[Higgs Boston]

Cut indiana, and yes, I would make the trade from boston side.
Crowder + rozier + nader + minnesota second round x pick7 would be more realistic.

[wolves_89]

For the Wolves I'd pass on Crowder for #7 (I personally don't think Crowder has that much value). I've long been an advocate of Minnesota taking the long road and building for a few year in the future, and with that in mind I'd rather have a player like Isaac than Crowder. Assuming Isaac is available (which seems like a pretty good chance based on the mock drafts) he provides more upside, is cheaper for the next 4 years, and would have 8 years of team control. If there was much chance of the Wolves contending for a championship in the next couple of years I might be more inclined to to trade for Crowder, but I think it far more likely that Isaac would be around when Minnesota is ready to contend that Crowder would be.

[asitter]

Lack of response from IND fans so far, but this one says yes without hesitation. I could even see adding in someone like Thad Young to the Cs and a couple of 2nds to MIN to sweeten the deal, especially if it meant we could hold onto the #18.

IND in: #1, #7
IND out: George, Young, #47, 2019 2nd

MIN in: Crowder, #47, 2019 2nd
MIN out: #7

BOS in: George, Young
BOS out: #1, Crowder

Those who think George would bolt after one year should remember the biggest priority for him is winning. The C's lineup would matchup well with the Cavs and present a pretty good chance to take them out in 2018. George has always been one of, if not the toughest matchup for LeBron, so I think they'd have a good chance at winning a 7 game series. But even if they only made it to the ECF again, I think PG resigns. Young played pretty good when healthy, and has the quickness to hang around Love.

[8305]

If PG isn't extending with Indiana this summer Indiana should do this even if we had to throw our pick 18 back to appease either Boston or Minnesota (whoever feels more slighted in this deal). Going into a draft, picks are golden and Pritchard has a history of making solid draft day decisions when he has the picks to work with.

[Texas Chuck]

Crowder for #7 seems fine value wise to me and he seems like a great fit for the Wolves. And if that value is a bit too rich(again I really think it isnt), Boston has tons of lower value assets to kick in to make it work.

Indy obviously has to strongly consider the offer. I'm on record as being against them trading him for most of the offers we have seen, but the #1 overall pick certainly is an attention getter plus another top 10 pick.

And for Boston the question is a couple things: do we believe we can re-sign him? I'm actually pretty confident there. I think he would love the culture, love the chance to be competing with Cleveland every year, and Boston has that incredible tradition something Bird may have talked to him about a time or two. The other question tho becomes value. This knocks them out of being able to sign a max free agent. No guarantees they get one of course, so you take a risk trying to tell the other teams to wait, but its something I'd think about as Boston.

But overall I think this is a very smart version of PG to Boston and Minny is a really good 3rd team to help facilitate.

[Texas Chuck]

BOS and MIN shouldn't do this trade. Point being PG's value is closer to a mid-lotto + late-lotto, IMO. Maybe slightly less.

This isn't remotely correct. EVen if we made the assumption that no team would offer more than this. A very faulty assumption imo. Indy simply wouldn't trade him for that. They'd keep him and take their chances on re-signing him.

I've said this way too many times on this board for this thinking to still be so prevelant, but a year of a star player is extremely valuable. And trading a guy a year out just to get something is incredibly short-sighted.

[Streakers33]

Crowder for #7 seems fine value wise to me and he seems like a great fit for the Wolves. And if that value is a bit too rich(again I really think it isnt), Boston has tons of lower value assets to kick in to make it work.

Indy obviously has to strongly consider the offer. I'm on record as being against them trading him for most of the offers we have seen, but the #1 overall pick certainly is an attention getter plus another top 10 pick.

And for Boston the question is a couple things: do we believe we can re-sign him? I'm actually pretty confident there. I think he would love the culture, love the chance to be competing with Cleveland every year, and Boston has that incredible tradition something Bird may have talked to him about a time or two. The other question tho becomes value. This knocks them out of being able to sign a max free agent. No guarantees they get one of course, so you take a risk trying to tell the other teams to wait, but its something I'd think about as Boston.

But overall I think this is a very smart version of PG to Boston and Minny is a really good 3rd team to help facilitate.

They could add zeller or Bradley or smart to the crowder part and minny takes another piece to add more money off the Boston salary. And keep the extra picks to minny..
smart or Bradley or zeller and crowder to minny.. then it becomes very real talks for minny to help


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[Celts17Pride]

Celtics not trading #1 for Paul George. George won't resign in Boston no matter what RealGM posters say.

Celtics ownership has already come out and said they are not giving up 8 years of cost control of the #1 pick for a player in their 30's. Just won't happen.

[asitter]

Celtics not trading #1 for Paul George. George won't resign in Boston no matter what RealGM posters say.

Celtics ownership has already come out and said they are not giving up 8 years of cost control of the #1 pick for a player in their 30's. Just won't happen.

Or he will resign in BOS, no matter what RealGM posters say. Fact of the matter is that no one knows. We do know that he has said he wants to win, and BOS has the best chance of doing that right now in the East.

[SmokeyPaw]

Celtics not trading #1 for Paul George. George won't resign in Boston no matter what RealGM posters say.

Celtics ownership has already come out and said they are not giving up 8 years of cost control of the #1 pick for a player in their 30's. Just won't happen.

George is 27.

[aim2please]

All points out that Celtics are playing the long game, meaning building around Fultz, Brown, Nets 2018 and the rest of their younger guys, while being competitive with what they have.

When you look at GSW and CLE, stripping your team down to add Butler or PG is a great way to win.... 3rd place. Yay.

Not trying to sound mean, but I think Indy is in a rough spot. If they trade PG, IMO return will be much lower than you would expect.

[Tukkerwolf]

For the Wolves I'd pass on Crowder for #7 (I personally don't think Crowder has that much value). I've long been an advocate of Minnesota taking the long road and building for a few year in the future, and with that in mind I'd rather have a player like Isaac than Crowder. Assuming Isaac is available (which seems like a pretty good chance based on the mock drafts) he provides more upside, is cheaper for the next 4 years, and would have 8 years of team control. If there was much chance of the Wolves contending for a championship in the next couple of years I might be more inclined to to trade for Crowder, but I think it far more likely that Isaac would be around when Minnesota is ready to contend that Crowder would be.

What are the odds Isaac will ever be the player Crowder is? The years under control is a solid argument, but if you look at the draft history (esp Minn's) it is more likely that we end up with 8 years of low mediocrity instead of Crowder.
After the trade go hard after Green and then the Wolves should have a core that NEEDS to compete in 3 years... Rubio, Wiggins, Crowder, Green, Towns with Jones, Dunn, Lavine, Bjelica, Dieng and Aldrich of the bench would be my favorite roster ever.

[wolves_89]

For the Wolves I'd pass on Crowder for #7 (I personally don't think Crowder has that much value). I've long been an advocate of Minnesota taking the long road and building for a few year in the future, and with that in mind I'd rather have a player like Isaac than Crowder. Assuming Isaac is available (which seems like a pretty good chance based on the mock drafts) he provides more upside, is cheaper for the next 4 years, and would have 8 years of team control. If there was much chance of the Wolves contending for a championship in the next couple of years I might be more inclined to to trade for Crowder, but I think it far more likely that Isaac would be around when Minnesota is ready to contend that Crowder would be.

What are the odds Isaac will ever be the player Crowder is? The years under control is a solid argument, but if you look at the draft history (esp Minn's) it is more likely that we end up with 8 years of low mediocrity instead of Crowder.
After the trade go hard after Green and then the Wolves should have a core that NEEDS to compete in 3 years... Rubio, Wiggins, Crowder, Green, Towns with Jones, Dunn, Lavine, Bjelica, Dieng and Aldrich from the bench would be my favorite roster ever.

I'd be more than happy to take the chance that Isaac is as good or better than Crowder, especially when you factor in that the Wolves best chance at a championship window probably starts in 2-3 years. It makes a lot more sense to me to have a young player that has a very good chance of being a key component of contending teams over a guy who will make the Wolves better in the short term but is far less likely to be a contributor when it really matters.

[Tukkerwolf]

For the Wolves I'd pass on Crowder for #7 (I personally don't think Crowder has that much value). I've long been an advocate of Minnesota taking the long road and building for a few year in the future, and with that in mind I'd rather have a player like Isaac than Crowder. Assuming Isaac is available (which seems like a pretty good chance based on the mock drafts) he provides more upside, is cheaper for the next 4 years, and would have 8 years of team control. If there was much chance of the Wolves contending for a championship in the next couple of years I might be more inclined to to trade for Crowder, but I think it far more likely that Isaac would be around when Minnesota is ready to contend that Crowder would be.

What are the odds Isaac will ever be the player Crowder is? The years under control is a solid argument, but if you look at the draft history (esp Minn's) it is more likely that we end up with 8 years of low mediocrity instead of Crowder.
After the trade go hard after Green and then the Wolves should have a core that NEEDS to compete in 3 years... Rubio, Wiggins, Crowder, Green, Towns with Jones, Dunn, Lavine, Bjelica, Dieng and Aldrich from the bench would be my favorite roster ever.

I'd be more than happy to take the chance that Isaac is as good or better than Crowder, especially when you factor in that the Wolves best chance at a championship window probably starts in 2-3 years. It makes a lot more sense to me to have a young player that has a very good chance of being a key component of contending teams over a guy who will make the Wolves better in the short term but is far less likely to be a contributor when it really matters.

What gives you the confidence that the player the Wolves will pick "has a very good chance of being a key component of contending teams"? I think that chance is very small...

[Klomp]

This knocks them out of being able to sign a max free agent. No guarantees they get one of course, so you take a risk trying to tell the other teams to wait, but its something I'd think about as Boston.

That's a good point. But obviously this wouldn't have to be done on/before draft night (though it may make Minnesota less interested). Think about how late the Harden trade was made, after Houston struck out in free agency.

[shrink]

Expiring PG isn't worth this much. A framework of #7 + Crowder going to IND is more appropriate.

Minnesota trades #7 straight up for #1? Fine by me!

I'd imagine Thibs does not have the silver tongue of Morey or Pesti!

The sidelines bellow might not work in quiet negotiations over espresso.