2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

[PhilasFinest]

All this anti-Jackson talk from all the podcasts and articles lately is depressing

It's starting to feel like this is a top 2 stars heavy draft with Fultz and Ball and the Sixers missed out.

Its just talk. This is the time of the year were every tom, dick, harry and chad ford over analyze every little things about every player and there's tons of filler talk to pump out content and kill time.

Honestly, I don't think Fultz/Ball are head and shoulders above the class in terms of "star" upside compared to Jackson or even some of the other prospects.

We should get a good player regardless of who we select TBH.

[Kolkmania]

I could see the Sixers really falling in love with Isaac if they stay at 3. I don't think Josh Jackson is going to be clear cut for them at 3. I think it's a tough decision at 3. If they don't see high scoring upside with Jackson, I don't think they are gonna take him.

I think workouts will actually be super important this year. I wonder if Jackson shoots really poor in workouts if they'd take him.

I agree...but then again, if scoring is such a huge factor, I'm not so sure Issac would be the clear cut choice either.

Isaac is pretty raw offensively too. Sure, his shot may have better form then Jackson, but I don't think he's anymore of a "scorer" or shooterthen Jackson is. Jackson has a upper hand in that department as a whole and has a much better handle along with the aggression/mindset.

Certainly agree with you on the #3 option being far from a lock. Would not be surprised at all if we took someone like Monk/Tatum/Fox/Smith or even traded down and took one of them as well.

Difference is that Jonathan Isaac has a better shot at becoming a floor spacer than Josh Jackson, so if both players end up as low usage guys on our roster you'd prefer Isaac because it would create much more room for Simmons and Embiid to operate. You don't need 5 #1 options, on the contrary, I think it's extremely valuable if a player knows his role and keeps the ball moving.

[Kolkmania]

Think I've did my research on all the top guys who interest me, right now my Sixers' related big board looks something likes this.

1. Markelle Fultz
2/3. Jonathan Isaac
2/3. Lonzo Ball
4. Dennis Smith jr.
5. De'Aaron Fox
6. Josh Jackson
7. Donovan Mitchell
8. Jayson Tatum
9. Sindarius Thornwell
10. Malik Monk

[broseph13]

Think I've did my research on all the top guys who interest me, right now my Sixers' related big board looks something likes this.

1. Markelle Fultz
2/3. Jonathan Isaac
2/3. Lonzo Ball
4. Dennis Smith jr.
5. De'Aaron Fox
6. Josh Jackson
7. Donovan Mitchell
8. Jayson Tatum
9. Sindarius Thornwell
10. Malik Monk

I actually agree with this and I honestly think he could become similar to Durant within the next 3-4 years. Highly underrated player...probably because he played for Florida St instead of UK, Kansas, Duke, etc.

[broseph13]

Sidenote: I think this team needs to snag Frank Mason Jr. with one of their 2nd round picks. I have a feeling he could become a very good NBA player and he's not even that short...he measured out at 6'0 in shoes at the combine.

Just like scouts totally missed on Isaiah Thomas coming out of college, I'm thinking scouts are sleeping on Frank Mason Jr. However, that's great for us....we can get him with one of our early 2nd round picks.

[PhilasFinest]

I could see the Sixers really falling in love with Isaac if they stay at 3. I don't think Josh Jackson is going to be clear cut for them at 3. I think it's a tough decision at 3. If they don't see high scoring upside with Jackson, I don't think they are gonna take him.

I think workouts will actually be super important this year. I wonder if Jackson shoots really poor in workouts if they'd take him.

I agree...but then again, if scoring is such a huge factor, I'm not so sure Issac would be the clear cut choice either.

Isaac is pretty raw offensively too. Sure, his shot may have better form then Jackson, but I don't think he's anymore of a "scorer" or shooterthen Jackson is. Jackson has a upper hand in that department as a whole and has a much better handle along with the aggression/mindset.

Certainly agree with you on the #3 option being far from a lock. Would not be surprised at all if we took someone like Monk/Tatum/Fox/Smith or even traded down and took one of them as well.

Difference is that Jonathan Isaac has a better shot at becoming a floor spacer than Josh Jackson, so if both players end up as low usage guys on our roster you'd prefer Isaac because it would create much more room for Simmons and Embiid to operate. You don't need 5 #1 options, on the contrary, I think it's extremely valuable if a player knows his role and keeps the ball moving.

Why does Issac have a better shot at becoming a floor spacer? Because his shot looks more textbook?

I don't get the concept. Jackson shot a better % from 3 on pretty much the same volume.

[Kolkmania]

I agree...but then again, if scoring is such a huge factor, I'm not so sure Issac would be the clear cut choice either.

Isaac is pretty raw offensively too. Sure, his shot may have better form then Jackson, but I don't think he's anymore of a "scorer" or shooterthen Jackson is. Jackson has a upper hand in that department as a whole and has a much better handle along with the aggression/mindset.

Certainly agree with you on the #3 option being far from a lock. Would not be surprised at all if we took someone like Monk/Tatum/Fox/Smith or even traded down and took one of them as well.

Difference is that Jonathan Isaac has a better shot at becoming a floor spacer than Josh Jackson, so if both players end up as low usage guys on our roster you'd prefer Isaac because it would create much more room for Simmons and Embiid to operate. You don't need 5 #1 options, on the contrary, I think it's extremely valuable if a player knows his role and keeps the ball moving.

Why does Issac have a better shot at becoming a floor spacer? Because his shot looks more textbook?

I don't get the concept. Jackson shot a better % from 3 on pretty much the same volume.

Isaac's footwork is much better, his shooting form has less separate motions, FT%, has a better history of shooting in high school and he's a year younger.

[Negrodamus]

I agree...but then again, if scoring is such a huge factor, I'm not so sure Issac would be the clear cut choice either.

Isaac is pretty raw offensively too. Sure, his shot may have better form then Jackson, but I don't think he's anymore of a "scorer" or shooterthen Jackson is. Jackson has a upper hand in that department as a whole and has a much better handle along with the aggression/mindset.

Certainly agree with you on the #3 option being far from a lock. Would not be surprised at all if we took someone like Monk/Tatum/Fox/Smith or even traded down and took one of them as well.

Difference is that Jonathan Isaac has a better shot at becoming a floor spacer than Josh Jackson, so if both players end up as low usage guys on our roster you'd prefer Isaac because it would create much more room for Simmons and Embiid to operate. You don't need 5 #1 options, on the contrary, I think it's extremely valuable if a player knows his role and keeps the ball moving.

Why does Issac have a better shot at becoming a floor spacer? Because his shot looks more textbook?

I don't get the concept. Jackson shot a better % from 3 on pretty much the same volume.

Yes, it's because he has a more textbook form. Imagine trying to improve on a form that looks pretty textbook with a shooting coach. Seems easy enough. Now do it with a crazy looking form. It would be one thing if he was shooting a good percentage from the charity stripe. That would suggest he can easily replicate the motion. It's the same deal with Ball. And while Ball has proven he can jack shots from the NBA 3 and beyond, I'm not sure if Jackson has that range or if he'll be able to get off that shot against NBA defenders.

[SelfishPlayer]

Floor spacers aren't worth drafting. Let someone else develop them then you trade for them like Cleveland did to aquire Channing Frye. They always pop up in free agency.

[Kolkmania]

Floor spacers aren't worth drafting. Let someone else develop them then you trade for them like Cleveland did to aquire Channing Frye. They always pop up in free agency.

Jonathan Isaac isn't intriguing because he's a floor spacer, it's the defensive potential that makes him so valuable.

[PhilasFinest]

Difference is that Jonathan Isaac has a better shot at becoming a floor spacer than Josh Jackson, so if both players end up as low usage guys on our roster you'd prefer Isaac because it would create much more room for Simmons and Embiid to operate. You don't need 5 #1 options, on the contrary, I think it's extremely valuable if a player knows his role and keeps the ball moving.

Why does Issac have a better shot at becoming a floor spacer? Because his shot looks more textbook?

I don't get the concept. Jackson shot a better % from 3 on pretty much the same volume.

Yes, it's because he has a more textbook form. Imagine trying to improve on a form that looks pretty textbook with a shooting coach. Seems easy enough. Now do it with a crazy looking form. It would be one thing if he was shooting a good percentage from the charity stripe. That would suggest he can easily replicate the motion. It's the same deal with Ball. And while Ball has proven he can jack shots from the NBA 3 and beyond, I'm not sure if Jackson has that range or if he'll be able to get off that shot against NBA defenders.

I hear you, and agree for the most part. I like Jackson but have the same concerns on his shot as many.

That being said, I'm not sure that Issac is "getting his shot off" against NBA defenders either.I don't see the handle to be a bonafide 3.

But When I hear floor spacer, I'm imagining a player spotting up and knocking down set shots, while keeping the defense honest due to that skill. Jackson shoots significantly better when set compared to off the bounce.

At the end of the day, if we're looking for shooting/scoring/spacing I'm not so sure either guy is a home run to fill that void.

[Kobblehead]

All this anti-Jackson talk from all the podcasts and articles lately is depressing

It's starting to feel like this is a top 2 stars heavy draft with Fultz and Ball and the Sixers missed out.

He's not even a member of the organization and he's already getting the Iguodala treatment!

[timLH]

Say we draft Josh Jackson at #3, who you guys want with an additional late first or the 2nd rounders? Pure shooters play off-ball at 1/2 are preferred.

[Negrodamus]

Why does Issac have a better shot at becoming a floor spacer? Because his shot looks more textbook?

I don't get the concept. Jackson shot a better % from 3 on pretty much the same volume.

Yes, it's because he has a more textbook form. Imagine trying to improve on a form that looks pretty textbook with a shooting coach. Seems easy enough. Now do it with a crazy looking form. It would be one thing if he was shooting a good percentage from the charity stripe. That would suggest he can easily replicate the motion. It's the same deal with Ball. And while Ball has proven he can jack shots from the NBA 3 and beyond, I'm not sure if Jackson has that range or if he'll be able to get off that shot against NBA defenders.

I hear you, and agree for the most part. I like Jackson but have the same concerns on his shot as many.

That being said, I'm not sure that Issac is "getting his shot off" against NBA defenders either.I don't see the handle to be a bonafide 3.

But When I hear floor spacer, I'm imagining a player spotting up and knocking down set shots, while keeping the defense honest due to that skill. Jackson shoots significantly better when set compared to off the bounce.

At the end of the day, if we're looking for shooting/scoring/spacing I'm not so sure either guy is a home run to fill that void.

Well to be fair, Isaac is 6'11, so getting his shot off will be easier than Jackson, especially because he doesn't have the low release that Jackson does. But Covington hardly had an advanced handle and he does fine at the 3.

[Kobblehead]

Say we draft Josh Jackson at #3, who you guys want with an additional late first or the 2nd rounders? Pure shooters play off-ball at 1/2 are preferred.

Derrick White above all else.

Sindarious Thornwell
Charles Cooke
Dillon Brooks
Jeremy Morgan
Sterling Brown

All guys that can hit threes and defend.

[Ericb5]

Floor spacers aren't worth drafting. Let someone else develop them then you trade for them like Cleveland did to aquire Channing Frye. They always pop up in free agency.

Agreed. You just prioritize shooting with all of the role players that you acquire.

You will always find players available that are veterans on rebuilding teams that can shoot, and aren't needed on those teams any more.

[Unbreakable99]

Think I've did my research on all the top guys who interest me, right now my Sixers' related big board looks something likes this.

1. Markelle Fultz
2/3. Jonathan Isaac
2/3. Lonzo Ball
4. Dennis Smith jr.
5. De'Aaron Fox
6. Josh Jackson
7. Donovan Mitchell
8. Jayson Tatum
9. Sindarius Thornwell
10. Malik Monk

So if I'm reading you right based on this ranking I would say your number one move is to trade with the Kings to get 5 and 10 so you can draft Isaac and either Mitchell or Monk. It's a good chance Isaac could be at 5 and almost definitely one of Mitchell or Monk will be at 10.

[Negrodamus]

Read on Twitter

I didn't read the caption and thought that was Ben Simmons shooting these for half the video while viewing from my phone. I almost fainted.

[broseph13]

I really hope BC stays very far away from Tatum. The guy has bust written all over him, imo.

[LloydFree]

Say we draft Josh Jackson at #3, who you guys want with an additional late first or the 2nd rounders? Pure shooters play off-ball at 1/2 are preferred.

I don't want anybody if all were worried about is shooting. The 76ers have too many young players to incorporate into the rotation as it is. Sign or trade for a vetersn shooter. There is no Rookie that is going to come in and shoot for a high percentage anyway. Thinking Donovan Mitchell is going to come into the league and complete a lineup with his ability to shoot is pure fantasy. He's not even a consistent shooter in College. He's 6'3 and he isn't facing closeouts from 6'6 SGs on a nightly basis. He's going to need to go through adjustments just to become a role player.