John wall and his $168mil

[Donkey McDonkerton]

Where are we talking about this? This is great, put the pressure on Ted- fire EG.

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[DCZards]

Good move by JWall. He's putting the FO and franchise on notice that it needs to be committed to doing what it takes to build a winner before he makes any long-term commitment. It's also positioning him to be consulted on moves the team makes, which I think he's earned. Superstars on other teams are typically consulted.

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[stevemcqueen1]

I think 168 million is way low. I've got 276 million for a DPE contract scaled to the 2019-2020 cap.

109 million is the most recent projection for the cap that year. 35% of that with 7.5% annual raises for six years is: 38.2 + 41 + 44.1 + 47.5 + 51 + 54.8 = 276.6 million

Can someone check my math on this? The numbers I've seen for his projected contract are all over the place. What am I missing?

[FAH1223]

Good.

Demand management changes too, John!

[Dark Faze]

I think 168 million is way low. I've got 276 million for a DPE contract scaled to the 2019-2020 cap.

109 million is the most recent projection for the cap that year. 35% of that with 7.5% annual raises for six years is: 38.2 + 41 + 44.1 + 47.5 + 51 + 54.8 = 276.6 million

Can someone check my math on this? The numbers I've seen for his projected contract are all over the place. What am I missing?

Well 168 by 4 is already 42 a year which sounds accurate. You're talking on nearly doubling that? Not sure its correct

[stevemcqueen1]

I think 168 million is way low. I've got 276 million for a DPE contract scaled to the 2019-2020 cap.

109 million is the most recent projection for the cap that year. 35% of that with 7.5% annual raises for six years is: 38.2 + 41 + 44.1 + 47.5 + 51 + 54.8 = 276.6 million

Can someone check my math on this? The numbers I've seen for his projected contract are all over the place. What am I missing?

Well 168 by 4 is already 42 a year which sounds accurate. You're talking on nearly doubling that? Not sure its correct

Isn't a DPE for six years though and not four? If six, the last two years of the deal would be over 100 million.

[closg00]

Good.

Demand management changes too, John!

We should start a tweet campaign directed at John. Fire Ernie if you ever want to have hope in DC.


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[Donkey McDonkerton]

Our team is way too talented, and our coach is the best we've had in YEARS.....the time is now. We need to be building for a real finals run in 2-3 years. Lebron probably has 2-3 years of dominance left, and we need to be right there, ready to take over.

[AFM]

I have this crazy idea where we all tweet dick pics at Ted with the condition that we will only stop when he fires EG.

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[Dark Faze]

I think 168 million is way low. I've got 276 million for a DPE contract scaled to the 2019-2020 cap.

109 million is the most recent projection for the cap that year. 35% of that with 7.5% annual raises for six years is: 38.2 + 41 + 44.1 + 47.5 + 51 + 54.8 = 276.6 million

Can someone check my math on this? The numbers I've seen for his projected contract are all over the place. What am I missing?

Well 168 by 4 is already 42 a year which sounds accurate. You're talking on nearly doubling that? Not sure its correct

Isn't a DPE for six years though and not four? If six, the last two years of the deal would be over 100 million.

he only qualifies for 4 year extension based on being two years removed from his contract year or something like that

if he wants a 5 year extension he has to make all nba again next year

[Donkey McDonkerton]

Posted this on the trades and transactions board. What would you do as Wizards GM?

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[Illmatic12]

Well 168 by 4 is already 42 a year which sounds accurate. You're talking on nearly doubling that? Not sure its correct

Isn't a DPE for six years though and not four? If six, the last two years of the deal would be over 100 million.

he only qualifies for 4 year extension based on being two years removed from his contract year or something like that

if he wants a 5 year extension he has to make all nba again next year

Furthermore, he can make even more money per/yr if he signs next season because he'd qualify for the 8+ years of service rates.

I actually expect Wall's agent/Klutch Sports will advise him to decline the 4/168M this summer so he can sign for 5/217M next summer (assuming he makes All-NBA again or is an All-Star starter). That's a big difference in guaranteed money. Btw if he leaves the Wizards, he can't make more than 4/140M on his next contract for another team.

[FAH1223]

This is Rich Paul's fingers all over it

[stevemcqueen1]

Isn't a DPE for six years though and not four? If six, the last two years of the deal would be over 100 million.

he only qualifies for 4 year extension based on being two years removed from his contract year or something like that

if he wants a 5 year extension he has to make all nba again next year

Furthermore, he can make even more money per/yr if he signs next season because he'd qualify for the 8+ years of service rates.

I actually expect Wall's agent/Klutch Sports will advise him to decline the 4/168M this summer so he can sign for 5/217M next summer (assuming he makes All-NBA again or is an All-Star starter). That's a big difference in guaranteed money. Btw if he leaves the Wizards, he can't make more than 4/140M on his next contract for another team.

I don't think that's correct. The point of the DPE is to let players with less than 10 years veterancy sign a 35% max. That's the highest level of max. The only difference between signing this summer and signing next summer is getting the fifth year--except that he might lose his eligibility for a DPE contract by missing an All NBA team. Since he made third team this year, it'd be stupid for him to hold out for the fifth year by waiting until next summer. By the time an extension signed this summer ended, he'd have 10 years and be able to sign a 35% max anyway. The downside is he could lose a ton of money by having to sign for 30% next summer instead.

[Tricky_Kid]

Maybe we should spam Wall on Twitter with demanding EG fire?

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[Dark Faze]

Isn't a DPE for six years though and not four? If six, the last two years of the deal would be over 100 million.

he only qualifies for 4 year extension based on being two years removed from his contract year or something like that

if he wants a 5 year extension he has to make all nba again next year

Furthermore, he can make even more money per/yr if he signs next season because he'd qualify for the 8+ years of service rates.

I actually expect Wall's agent/Klutch Sports will advise him to decline the 4/168M this summer so he can sign for 5/217M next summer (assuming he makes All-NBA again or is an All-Star starter). That's a big difference in guaranteed money. Btw if he leaves the Wizards, he can't make more than 4/140M on his next contract for another team.

Making all NBA at the guard spot is really hard to do. You've literally got dame lillard rocking 27, 6, and 5 WITH a playoff seed and not making all nba.

I think Wall cares more about expanding his brand and winning then maximizing his NBA paycheck. Wall knows he's fun to watch, and now he knows he can play at the highest level at his position. I wouldn't be shocked to see him decide to keep his options open. If Wall were to land on the Spurs and guarantee himself 20+ national TV games a year his endorsement potential would explode

[Illmatic12]

he only qualifies for 4 year extension based on being two years removed from his contract year or something like that

if he wants a 5 year extension he has to make all nba again next year

Furthermore, he can make even more money per/yr if he signs next season because he'd qualify for the 8+ years of service rates.

I actually expect Wall's agent/Klutch Sports will advise him to decline the 4/168M this summer so he can sign for 5/217M next summer (assuming he makes All-NBA again or is an All-Star starter). That's a big difference in guaranteed money. Btw if he leaves the Wizards, he can't make more than 4/140M on his next contract for another team.

I don't think that's correct. The point of the DPE is to let players with less than 10 years veterancy sign a 35% max. That's the highest level of max. The only difference between signing this summer and signing next summer is getting the fifth year--except that he might lose his eligibility for a DPE contract by missing an All NBA team. Since he made third team this year, it'd be stupid for him to hold out for the fifth year by waiting until next summer. By the time an extension signed this summer ended, he'd have 10 years and be able to sign a 35% max anyway. The downside is he could lose a ton of money by having to sign for 30% next summer instead.

Does years of service not affect max extensions? Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of veteran contracts.

You laid out a good argument as to why he should actually sign it this summer, it seems. Assuming he'll make All-NBA or AS-starter is definitely a risk I personally wouldn't take. Wall could have a great season but miss 15-20 games for a hamstring strain or sprained ankle and end up not being selected.