2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

[Unbreakable99]

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I didn't read the caption and thought that was Ben Simmons shooting these for half the video while viewing from my phone. I almost fainted.

Good stroke. That video reminds me of Porzingis making 3 after 3 before the draft and everyone laughed and said nobody is guarding him. Lol.

[Negrodamus]

From this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/6cqrth/sports_reference_fultz_and_ball_are_part_of_an/

40%+ 3FG, 70% and less FT, Freshman season

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=G7s0s

[Kobblehead]

He's a skilled scorer that actually plays defense. I don't think Tatum will bust. Maybe his average athleticism lessens his isolation scoring ability, but he has a nice jumpshot to fall back on.

[Negrodamus]

http://www.odetooden.com/home/2017/5/22/reading-between-the-lines-for-player-potential

Kobble might like the evaluation at the end of one particular player in this year's draft.

[SelfishPlayer]

Floor spacers aren't worth drafting. Let someone else develop them then you trade for them like Cleveland did to aquire Channing Frye. They always pop up in free agency.

Jonathan Isaac isn't intriguing because he's a floor spacer, it's the defensive potential that makes him so valuable.

Sounds like you want Jerami Grant back...

[PhilasFinest]

Tatum is going to be a good pro. Danny Granger,Otto Porter and Tobias Harris are guys who I think he compares to in some shape or form.

I wouldn't mind him at all. That size/length/skill in this lineup would be intriguing. As long as he can defend/play the 3 I'd be sold on him.

[the_process]

Floor spacers aren't worth drafting. Let someone else develop them then you trade for them like Cleveland did to aquire Channing Frye. They always pop up in free agency.

Jonathan Isaac isn't intriguing because he's a floor spacer, it's the defensive potential that makes him so valuable.

Sounds like you want Jerami Grant back...

And if Jerami Grant had a reliable corner 3 he'd be Bruce Bowen-esque.

Now imagine Bowen 5 inches taller who can rim protect and attack close outs.

[Negrodamus]

Here's to loop Jackson's shooting percentages in:

http://cbbref.com/tiny/oacWR

Fultz still makes it at <=65% FT and >=35% 3FG in their freshman year.

[Negrodamus]

And to really hone in on Josh Jackson's shooting woes, here's 60% or less FT%, 35 or greater 3pt% on 90+ 3FGA for all classes, not just freshman:

http://cbbref.com/tiny/U3N5K

Avery Bradley and Chandler Parsons are the only guys that really stand out as NBA players, so it can be done, in theory.

[Eyeamok]

I don't know it could be me. But just from reading some of these posts. Getting the 3rd pick might be the kiss of death in this draft.
The 76ers are SOL if they draft this guy, SOL if they don't reach down for another guy, SOL if they can't trade the 3rd pick for two 1st picks in the top 10, SOL if we can't get back into the bottom half of the draft.

I even read blogs/posts were people felt deflated because the pick swap only netted the team the 3rd pick. What ? How is going from 5th to 3rd a bad thing?

Damn never a dull moment around here. That's why you've got to love this place.

[Unbreakable99]

I don't know it could be me. But just from reading some of these posts. Getting the 3rd pick might be the kiss of death in this draft.
The 76ers are SOL if they draft this guy, SOL if they don't reach down for another guy, SOL if they can't trade the 3rd pick for two 1st picks in the top 10, SOL if we can't get back into the bottom half of the draft.

I even read blogs/posts were people felt deflated because the pick swap only netted the team the 3rd pick. What ? How is going from 5th to 3rd a bad thing?

Damn never a dull moment around here. That's why you've got to love this place.

There is no kiss of death for getting the 3rd pick. We can pick anyone we want with the excpetion of 2 players. People would have only been happy if we got the 1st pick. If we were number 2 people still would be negative.

[Sportfan73]

Think I've did my research on all the top guys who interest me, right now my Sixers' related big board looks something likes this.

1. Markelle Fultz
2/3. Jonathan Isaac
2/3. Lonzo Ball
4. Dennis Smith jr.
5. De'Aaron Fox
6. Josh Jackson
7. Donovan Mitchell
8. Jayson Tatum
9. Sindarius Thornwell
10. Malik Monk

So if I'm reading you right based on this ranking I would say your number one move is to trade with the Kings to get 5 and 10 so you can draft Isaac and either Mitchell or Monk. It's a good chance Isaac could be at 5 and almost definitely one of Mitchell or Monk will be at 10.

If we wanted to go full home run mode we would find a way to leave with DSJ and Isaac


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[Kolkmania]

I actually agree with this and I honestly think he could become similar to Durant within the next 3-4 years. Highly underrated player...probably because he played for Florida St instead of UK, Kansas, Duke, etc.

Similar defensively yeah and I think that Durant could be really good on that end if his usage rate on the offensive end isn't so exhausting. We saw a glimpse of Durant's defensive potential in the OKC - Spurs WCSF last year. Offensively there's a huge gap between the prospects, there are plenty of YouTube games of Durant's Texas, you'll notice.

So if I'm reading you right based on this ranking I would say your number one move is to trade with the Kings to get 5 and 10 so you can draft Isaac and either Mitchell or Monk. It's a good chance Isaac could be at 5 and almost definitely one of Mitchell or Monk will be at 10.

Definitely intrigued. Difference between Jayson Tatum and Dennis Smith is really close to me, so if we could grab two instead of one we have better odds of acquiring a player that outperforms his median outcome. Not sure if the Kings would be interested though and what it would take.

[smittybanton]

Agree.

I find them moving two spots down messed them up. Now they're looking at PFs and PGs. They have a logjam at those spots already. Already has Chris at PF and BK/Bledsoe at PGs. Tatum will be redundant with Warren.

I'm not usually a big bledsoe fan, i think his injuries will cause him to continue to miss huge amounts of time (season on season off type). But in this type of deal, I think 3/okafor for 4/bledsoe would make a lot of sense for both teams.

Hmmmmm... Now you have piqued my interest. Let Len walk..... Okafor D is just so suspect. Bledsoe and Tatum/ Issac is better than Jackson and Okafor though, no? Still not a bad trade idea, actually a good one IMO. However, Issac/Tatum, Bender, Chriss is such athletic front court.

Ball would be a natural fit with the Lakers, while the Sixers will probably go with small forward Josh Jackson, though Kentucky’s Malik Monk is an intriguing alternative, Aldridge adds. A trade in which the Suns move up a spot to snag Jackson to settle their small forward issues isn’t out of the question, according to Aldridge, who goes through each team’s need on a pick-by-pick basis.

(#3 & Okafor) for (#4 & Bledsoe). Let's go.

Ben Simmons, Eric Bledsoe, Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Joel Embiid
JJ Reddick, Timothe Luwawu-C, Justin Anderson, Jonathan Isaac, Richaun Holmes

[JMac1]

I'm not usually a big bledsoe fan, i think his injuries will cause him to continue to miss huge amounts of time (season on season off type). But in this type of deal, I think 3/okafor for 4/bledsoe would make a lot of sense for both teams.

Hmmmmm... Now you have piqued my interest. Let Len walk..... Okafor D is just so suspect. Bledsoe and Tatum/ Issac is better than Jackson and Okafor though, no? Still not a bad trade idea, actually a good one IMO. However, Issac/Tatum, Bender, Chriss is such athletic front court.

Ball would be a natural fit with the Lakers, while the Sixers will probably go with small forward Josh Jackson, though Kentucky’s Malik Monk is an intriguing alternative, Aldridge adds. A trade in which the Suns move up a spot to snag Jackson to settle their small forward issues isn’t out of the question, according to Aldridge, who goes through each team’s need on a pick-by-pick basis.

(#3 & Okafor) for (#4 & Bledsoe). Let's go.

Ben Simmons, Eric Bledsoe, Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Joel Embiid
JJ Reddick, Timothe Luwawu-C, Justin Anderson, Jonathan Isaac, Richaun Holmes

Maybe

[Eyeamok]

I don't know it could be me. But just from reading some of these posts. Getting the 3rd pick might be the kiss of death in this draft.
The 76ers are SOL if they draft this guy, SOL if they don't reach down for another guy, SOL if they can't trade the 3rd pick for two 1st picks in the top 10, SOL if we can't get back into the bottom half of the draft.

I even read blogs/posts were people felt deflated because the pick swap only netted the team the 3rd pick. What ? How is going from 5th to 3rd a bad thing?

Damn never a dull moment around here. That's why you've got to love this place.

There is no kiss of death for getting the 3rd pick. We can pick anyone we want with the excpetion of 2 players. People would have only been happy if we got the 1st pick. If we were number 2 people still would be negative.

Like I said it could be me.

How much pressure do you think BC is feeling right about now?

You were gifted the #1 pick last year. Harris has publicly thanked Hinkie for the #3 pick. And here you are getting ready to make your first real lottery pick as the 76ers GM. It's time to make your mark on the team. Hinkie got you to the 10 yard line, are you going to run the ball in, kick a field goal, throw it into the end zone or get sacked?

[JMac1]

I think my board kills me on that trade... I'll pass. Rather trade Bledsoe for a pick that could net us Collins and draft Fox at 4 to replace Bledsoe. Fox and Collins are better than Okafor and Fox or Okafor and Jackson.

[Kolkmania]

Floor spacers aren't worth drafting. Let someone else develop them then you trade for them like Cleveland did to aquire Channing Frye. They always pop up in free agency.

Jonathan Isaac isn't intriguing because he's a floor spacer, it's the defensive potential that makes him so valuable.

Sounds like you want Jerami Grant back...

Yeah, they're so similar.

[Unbreakable99]

I don't know it could be me. But just from reading some of these posts. Getting the 3rd pick might be the kiss of death in this draft.
The 76ers are SOL if they draft this guy, SOL if they don't reach down for another guy, SOL if they can't trade the 3rd pick for two 1st picks in the top 10, SOL if we can't get back into the bottom half of the draft.

I even read blogs/posts were people felt deflated because the pick swap only netted the team the 3rd pick. What ? How is going from 5th to 3rd a bad thing?

Damn never a dull moment around here. That's why you've got to love this place.

There is no kiss of death for getting the 3rd pick. We can pick anyone we want with the excpetion of 2 players. People would have only been happy if we got the 1st pick. If we were number 2 people still would be negative.

Like I said it could be me.

How much pressure do you think BC is feeling right about now?

You were gifted the #1 pick last year. Harris has publicly thanked Hinkie for the #3 pick. And here you are getting ready to make your first real lottery pick as the 76ers GM. It's time to make your mark on the team. Hinkie got you to the 10 yard line, are you going to run the ball in, kick a field goal, throw it into the end zone or get sacked?

I'm going to roll with BC on whoever he picks. He built up some trust from me on his draft history. So if he drafted Monk who I think is a severe reach I'll roll with it to see if he's right but he better be right. I think BC has a good idea on building a prolific offense. He's the GM so he better be right. It's his job to be right and not flop when Porzingis is there and you still draft a THIRD center like Hinkie did. I'll trust BC in drafting until I don't.

[Negrodamus]

Alright guys, instead of working, I've been messing with Sports-Reference.

Here's an interesting one:

At least 1000 Minutes played
Blk% of at least 3
Stl % of at least 3
3FG% 35% or more
Any class since 1992

http://cbbref.com/tiny/Qbmuz

Some of the names on here are random small schools, so they can be ignored. However, we have NBA mainstays like: James Ennis, Delon Wright, Otto Porter, Draymond Green, Kent Bazemore. RJ Hunter is on here, but we are discovering that his abilities were probably due to his competition.

Prospects of note on here:

Sindarius Thornwell
Josh Jackson
Deonte Burton
Jeremy Morgan (twice)
Mikal Bridges (2018)

A takeaway from this is that Jeremy Morgan is being underrated in this draft. Filter by AST% (20%) and he's fourth behind Delon Wright, Draymond Green and Kent Bazemore but ahead of Thornwell, Porter, and Jackson.