Knicks looking to trade for another 1st round pick

[Synciere]

they are but they are more so the product of the arms race in NY
when Brooklyn though they could skip the line and become a title winner in a summer with Williams, Johnson, Pierce, KG and Lopez with Kidd they were willing to sell the future

we now live in the future and its called the celtics

if we could find a taker for Melo, or if we could have for rose last year, who would have given us unprotected picks in 2019 and 2020 - swap, I know - then this tank and trade everything talk would make more sense

which is why the clips are slightly promising

though that Clippers timeline isn't great for KP

Come on guys, the Celtics never tanked. The Celtics are the epitome of what most fans on this board DON'T want to be. They were the team getting bounced in the first round for the last 2-3 years. They bought low on guys like Thomsas and Crowder, veterans that most on this board would say we shouldn't sign. Then they gave Horford a big contract and now they're Conference Finalists. The trade with the Nets hasn't even paid dividends yet, as Brown is a rotation player and that's it. I've said numerous times that you don't just go from cellar dweller to conference championships. You have to be willing to take those steps. We're not far from being a playoff team, so why not take the next step in getting better now?

I wouldnt call them "in" the ecf, i mean they're playing there but they're certainly not in it

I guess the Pacers and Blazers will go down in history as being in, but not being 'in' the playoffs...

[NoLayupRule]

Come on guys, the Celtics never tanked. The Celtics are the epitome of what most fans on this board DON'T want to be. They were the team getting bounced in the first round for the last 2-3 years. They bought low on guys like Thomsas and Crowder, veterans that most on this board would say we shouldn't sign. Then they gave Horford a big contract and now they're Conference Finalists. The trade with the Nets hasn't even paid dividends yet, as Brown is a rotation player and that's it. I've said numerous times that you don't just go from cellar dweller to conference championships. You have to be willing to take those steps. We're not far from being a playoff team, so why not take the next step in getting better now?

To be fair they tanked several years and then struck gold with Thomas

SMH... I feel like people are trying sooooo hard to give credence to tanking that they'll attribute almost anything to it without merit. They had a bad year where they picked 5th and drafted Marcus Smart. Besides he and Jaylon Brown from last year, the highest pick they've had is Olynky at 13 right? They made their team a contender based on smart trades, and it's the trades (Nets trade) that'll maybe continue to keep them there. So to be fair, nah, they didn't tank LOL....

Edit: Just in case I was way off base, I just looked up the trade for Thomas. It was for Marcus Thornton and a first round pick. Propose a trade like that in here now and people would say that we're not ready to win, should be sucking, and how dare we try to give up a first round pick... Do you see the difference?

You're right

I thought guys like smart and rozier and Bradley were all top 10 picks

Smart and brown are really the only two
Other than them everyone was like 15-20 which is a team not tanking at all

[CharlesOakley]

I'd do 20, 26, Leonard, Ezeli for KOQ, 44, 58

Or 20, Leonard for KOQ

I was impressed by Leonard

I wonder why he's in the doghouse this summer

I live in Portland. He sucks. He can't guard a chair, isn't a good rebounder and isn't good enough behind the 3 point line to make up for it. He hasn't improved much since his rookie year.

[Capn'O]

I'd do 20, 26, Leonard, Ezeli for KOQ, 44, 58

Or 20, Leonard for KOQ

I was impressed by Leonard

I wonder why he's in the doghouse this summer

I live in Portland. He sucks. He can't guard a chair, isn't a good rebounder and isn't good enough behind the 3 point line to make up for it. He hasn't improved much since his rookie year.

I live between Milwaukie and OC and he still sucks.

[Synciere]

To be fair they tanked several years and then struck gold with Thomas

SMH... I feel like people are trying sooooo hard to give credence to tanking that they'll attribute almost anything to it without merit. They had a bad year where they picked 5th and drafted Marcus Smart. Besides he and Jaylon Brown from last year, the highest pick they've had is Olynky at 13 right? They made their team a contender based on smart trades, and it's the trades (Nets trade) that'll maybe continue to keep them there. So to be fair, nah, they didn't tank LOL....

Edit: Just in case I was way off base, I just looked up the trade for Thomas. It was for Marcus Thornton and a first round pick. Propose a trade like that in here now and people would say that we're not ready to win, should be sucking, and how dare we try to give up a first round pick... Do you see the difference?

You're right

I thought guys like smart and rozier and Bradley were all top 10 picks

Smart and brown are really the only two
Other than them everyone was like 15-20 which is a team not tanking at all

Right... and it only took them three years, because Smart was drafted in 2014.

[NoLayupRule]

SMH... I feel like people are trying sooooo hard to give credence to tanking that they'll attribute almost anything to it without merit. They had a bad year where they picked 5th and drafted Marcus Smart. Besides he and Jaylon Brown from last year, the highest pick they've had is Olynky at 13 right? They made their team a contender based on smart trades, and it's the trades (Nets trade) that'll maybe continue to keep them there. So to be fair, nah, they didn't tank LOL....

Edit: Just in case I was way off base, I just looked up the trade for Thomas. It was for Marcus Thornton and a first round pick. Propose a trade like that in here now and people would say that we're not ready to win, should be sucking, and how dare we try to give up a first round pick... Do you see the difference?

You're right

I thought guys like smart and rozier and Bradley were all top 10 picks

Smart and brown are really the only two
Other than them everyone was like 15-20 which is a team not tanking at all

Right... and it only took them three years, because Smart was drafted in 2014.

and 2013 was when this happened:

BROOKLYN, NY – The Brooklyn Nets have acquired Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White from the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans and three first round draft picks (2014, 2016 and 2018), as well as the right to swap first round picks in 2017, Nets General Manager Billy King has announced.

“Today, the basketball gods smiled on the Nets," said Nets Principal Owner Mikhail Prokhorov. "With the arrival of Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, we have achieved a great balance on our roster between veteran stars and young talents. This team will be dazzling to watch, and tough to compete against."

[Jeff Van Gully]

To be fair they tanked several years and then struck gold with Thomas

SMH... I feel like people are trying sooooo hard to give credence to tanking that they'll attribute almost anything to it without merit. They had a bad year where they picked 5th and drafted Marcus Smart. Besides he and Jaylon Brown from last year, the highest pick they've had is Olynky at 13 right? They made their team a contender based on smart trades, and it's the trades (Nets trade) that'll maybe continue to keep them there. So to be fair, nah, they didn't tank LOL....

Edit: Just in case I was way off base, I just looked up the trade for Thomas. It was for Marcus Thornton and a first round pick. Propose a trade like that in here now and people would say that we're not ready to win, should be sucking, and how dare we try to give up a first round pick... Do you see the difference?

You're right

I thought guys like smart and rozier and Bradley were all top 10 picks

Smart and brown are really the only two
Other than them everyone was like 15-20 which is a team not tanking at all

CULTURE LYRICS!

that team is better than the sum of its parts.

[JBreezeNY]

Come on guys, the Celtics never tanked. The Celtics are the epitome of what most fans on this board DON'T want to be. They were the team getting bounced in the first round for the last 2-3 years. They bought low on guys like Thomsas and Crowder, veterans that most on this board would say we shouldn't sign. Then they gave Horford a big contract and now they're Conference Finalists. The trade with the Nets hasn't even paid dividends yet, as Brown is a rotation player and that's it. I've said numerous times that you don't just go from cellar dweller to conference championships. You have to be willing to take those steps. We're not far from being a playoff team, so why not take the next step in getting better now?

To be fair they tanked several years and then struck gold with Thomas

SMH... I feel like people are trying sooooo hard to give credence to tanking that they'll attribute almost anything to it without merit. They had a bad year where they picked 5th and drafted Marcus Smart. Besides he and Jaylon Brown from last year, the highest pick they've had is Olynky at 13 right? They made their team a contender based on smart trades, and it's the trades (Nets trade) that'll maybe continue to keep them there. So to be fair, nah, they didn't tank LOL....

Edit: Just in case I was way off base, I just looked up the trade for Thomas. It was for Marcus Thornton and a first round pick. Propose a trade like that in here now and people would say that we're not ready to win, should be sucking, and how dare we try to give up a first round pick... Do you see the difference?

Great post.

For every 76ers Tank path, you have the Celtics who didn't Tank & just moved their assets.

We should assess all our players and figure out what moves to make to get better, still get young players, still get vets without having to be a terrible team.

[Synciere]

You're right

I thought guys like smart and rozier and Bradley were all top 10 picks

Smart and brown are really the only two
Other than them everyone was like 15-20 which is a team not tanking at all

Right... and it only took them three years, because Smart was drafted in 2014.

and 2013 was when this happened:

BROOKLYN, NY – The Brooklyn Nets have acquired Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White from the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans and three first round draft picks (2014, 2016 and 2018), as well as the right to swap first round picks in 2017, Nets General Manager Billy King has announced.

“Today, the basketball gods smiled on the Nets," said Nets Principal Owner Mikhail Prokhorov. "With the arrival of Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, we have achieved a great balance on our roster between veteran stars and young talents. This team will be dazzling to watch, and tough to compete against."

Who have the Celtics picked from those picks though?

[NoLayupRule]

Right... and it only took them three years, because Smart was drafted in 2014.

and 2013 was when this happened:

BROOKLYN, NY – The Brooklyn Nets have acquired Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White from the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans and three first round draft picks (2014, 2016 and 2018), as well as the right to swap first round picks in 2017, Nets General Manager Billy King has announced.

“Today, the basketball gods smiled on the Nets," said Nets Principal Owner Mikhail Prokhorov. "With the arrival of Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, we have achieved a great balance on our roster between veteran stars and young talents. This team will be dazzling to watch, and tough to compete against."

Who have the Celtics picked from those picks though?

in 14 they picked Smart
16 they picked Brown
this year Fultz

[nykballa2k4]

they are but they are more so the product of the arms race in NY
when Brooklyn though they could skip the line and become a title winner in a summer with Williams, Johnson, Pierce, KG and Lopez with Kidd they were willing to sell the future

we now live in the future and its called the celtics

if we could find a taker for Melo, or if we could have for rose last year, who would have given us unprotected picks in 2019 and 2020 - swap, I know - then this tank and trade everything talk would make more sense

which is why the clips are slightly promising

though that Clippers timeline isn't great for KP

Come on guys, the Celtics never tanked. The Celtics are the epitome of what most fans on this board DON'T want to be. They were the team getting bounced in the first round for the last 2-3 years. They bought low on guys like Thomsas and Crowder, veterans that most on this board would say we shouldn't sign. Then they gave Horford a big contract and now they're Conference Finalists. The trade with the Nets hasn't even paid dividends yet, as Brown is a rotation player and that's it. I've said numerous times that you don't just go from cellar dweller to conference championships. You have to be willing to take those steps. We're not far from being a playoff team, so why not take the next step in getting better now?

To be fair they tanked several years and then struck gold with Thomas

Was it even a few years? I think they were PLANNING on several years. Right now IT is all smoke and mirrors. They can trade him and Horford for more young assets and continue to build around lotto talent.

[HEZI]

and 2013 was when this happened:

Who have the Celtics picked from those picks though?

in 14 they picked Smart
16 they picked Brown
this year Fultz

Actually Smart was their own pick. They were terrible that year and finished the season winning only 25 games. The 6th overall pick they used on Smart was their own pick. The Nets won 44 games that year and the Celtics got the 17th pick which they used to select James Young.

Still though, Jaylen Brown and Markelle Fultz are fantastic returns plus next year's pick is likely going to be top 5 as well.

[dakomish23]

Come on guys, the Celtics never tanked. The Celtics are the epitome of what most fans on this board DON'T want to be. They were the team getting bounced in the first round for the last 2-3 years. They bought low on guys like Thomsas and Crowder, veterans that most on this board would say we shouldn't sign. Then they gave Horford a big contract and now they're Conference Finalists. The trade with the Nets hasn't even paid dividends yet, as Brown is a rotation player and that's it. I've said numerous times that you don't just go from cellar dweller to conference championships. You have to be willing to take those steps. We're not far from being a playoff team, so why not take the next step in getting better now?

To be fair they tanked several years and then struck gold with Thomas

Was it even a few years? I think they were PLANNING on several years. Right now IT is all smoke and mirrors. They can trade him and Horford for more young assets and continue to build around lotto talent.

1 year. The 13-14 season they were bad. 14-15 they were back in the playoffs as the 8th seed.

The Olynk pick was a trade.

They did everything I can only pray this organization would be smart enough to do.

You know why they got 3 picks from BKN? Because they took on bad contracts (Wallace / Humphries) as well as sending out KG & Pierce.

Then, they sold high on Rondo (how they got Crowder and a 1st plus traded Wright who they got in the deal).

Then they sold high on Green (the MEM pick that's unprotected in 2021).

Then they used their cap space (a TPE i believe) to facilitate the Zeller deal and got a 1st for that.

Then they traded that 1st for IT.

After that, it was all about internal development with pieces that fit, smart contracts where they had the team options and only signing studs to big contracts.

I wish we'd think like this. Instead we've used cap space for long contracts to veteran role players, have gotten NO 1sts back in a trade of our best players and are not using our cap space to facilitate deals for a payment.

The difference between what they do and what we do is night and day.

I was hoping we'd wake up and realize we are far far far away. Instead, I see rumors for more veterans. What a dumb franchise.

[dakomish23]

Because the cap isn't jumping up as high as originally projected and next year it's only going up 1 mil the following year, the market to take on bad contracts for compensation should start to swell. Mix in PHI reaching a point that they'll try to use their cap space for actual players who will help and there may be a vacuum for a dumping ground.

There are two teams that stick out as teams that need to dump players who also have multiple firsts this year - POR & UTA.

POR - 15/20/26/42

POR is 17 mil into the tax after they cut Connaughton Quarterman and if they waive Ezeli and pay the 1 mil guaranteed. So total payment would be 170 million - the 2nd highest in NBA history - for a team that may not be 2nd highest in their division.

Crabbe is still young enough to grow and has a skill set that better coexists with the Dame / CJ backcourt. So I don't think they'll pay to dump him.

Turner is older and doesn't fit as seamlessly. He's owed 17.1 mil next season, 3 years 55 million in total.

Leonard has been abysmal and can't stay on the floor. He's owed 9.9 mil next season, 3 years 32 million in total.

I wouls take both on for the #15 pick. My targets there are Justin Jackson and Kennard. We send back Kuz and we can absorb it.

UTA - 24/30

The Jazz have to pay Hayward plus will go pretty steep to keep George Hill. They can waive Diaw but that seems unlikely. Burks has a slew of injury issues the last couple of years. He's making 10.6 mil next season, 2 years 21.9 million in total.

Give us #24 to take him on.

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The dream scenario is pairing the UTA pick along with Lee and/or KOQ and moving up to 11. That's where DE has Frank falling to.

Frank
Jackson
Isaac
KP
WHG

That's a solid core.

[NoLayupRule]

Come on guys, the Celtics never tanked. The Celtics are the epitome of what most fans on this board DON'T want to be. They were the team getting bounced in the first round for the last 2-3 years. They bought low on guys like Thomsas and Crowder, veterans that most on this board would say we shouldn't sign. Then they gave Horford a big contract and now they're Conference Finalists. The trade with the Nets hasn't even paid dividends yet, as Brown is a rotation player and that's it. I've said numerous times that you don't just go from cellar dweller to conference championships. You have to be willing to take those steps. We're not far from being a playoff team, so why not take the next step in getting better now?

To be fair they tanked several years and then struck gold with Thomas

Was it even a few years? I think they were PLANNING on several years. Right now IT is all smoke and mirrors. They can trade him and Horford for more young assets and continue to build around lotto talent.

Wow

The tank is so strong here you want bahstun to trade their best two players for "young assets" despite being the top seed in the east and having the #1 overall

This place makes me sick sometimes

[Rocket_Raccoon]

Because the cap isn't jumping up as high as originally projected and next year it's only going up 1 year, the market to take on bad contracts for compensation should start to swell. Mix in PHI reaching a point that they'll try to use their cap space for actual players who will help and there may be a vacuum for a dumping ground.

There are two teams that stick out as teams that need to dump players who also have multiple firsts this year - POR & UTA.

POR - 15/20/26/42

POR is 17 mil into the tax after they cut Connaughton Quarterman and if they waive Ezeli and pay the 1 mil guaranteed. So total payment would be 170 million - the 2nd highest in NBA history - for a team that may not be 2nd highest in their division.

Crabbe is still young enough to grow and has a skill set that better coexists with the Dame / CJ backcourt. So I don't think they'll pay to dump him.

Turner is older and doesn't fit as seamlessly. He's owed 17.1 mil next season, 3 years 55 million in total.

Leonard has been abysmal and can't stay on the floor. He's owed 9.9 mil next season, 3 years 32 million in total.

I wouls take both on for the #15 pick. My targets there are Justin Jackson and Kennard. We send back Kuz and we can absorb it.

UTA - 24/30

The Jazz have to pay Hayward plus will go pretty steep to keep George Hill. They can waive Diaw but that seems unlikely. Burks has a slew of injury issues the last couple of years. He's making 10.6 mil next season, 2 years 21.9 million in total.

Give us #24 to take him on.

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The dream scenario is pairing the UTA pick along with Lee and/or KOQ and moving up to 11. That's where DE has Frank falling to.

Frank
Jackson
Isaac
KP
WHG

That's a solid core.

Trade Lee and 24 for 11 and Plumlee?

We'd have Plumlee, Noah and Turner -throws up violently-

I'll take it for the 11th and 15th picks though.

[Synciere]

Who have the Celtics picked from those picks though?

in 14 they picked Smart
16 they picked Brown
this year Fultz

Actually Smart was their own pick. They were terrible that year and finished the season winning only 25 games. The 6th overall pick they used on Smart was their own pick. The Nets won 44 games that year and the Celtics got the 17th pick which they used to select James Young.

Still though, Jaylen Brown and Markelle Fultz are fantastic returns plus next year's pick is likely going to be top 5 as well.

Exactly! Young and Brown plus whatever is left is a great return, but it just points to the fact that Boston has been able to rebuild in three year and turn into conference finalists without tanking! Meanwhile, in philly.....

[Synciere]

To be fair they tanked several years and then struck gold with Thomas

Was it even a few years? I think they were PLANNING on several years. Right now IT is all smoke and mirrors. They can trade him and Horford for more young assets and continue to build around lotto talent.

Wow

The tank is so strong here you want bahstun to trade their best two players for "young assets" despite being the top seed in the east and having the #1 overall

This place makes me sick sometimes

See what I mean?!?! It's craziness!

[NoStatsGuy]

oquinn will not net us a 1st rounder... stop dreamin

I actually think he can. A 1st in the bottom portion of the round. There are several things working in KOQ's favor.

1. He's still in his prime - he just turned 27 a couple months back
2. He's extremely cheap - He's on the books for only $4.15 million average per year for the next 2 years.
3. He's versatile - you can play him at both PF and C for major minutes and even start him (some of his best play was when he started last season)
4. He's coming off his best season - while the stats are not exploding off the page I think most everyone saw how well KOQ played.
5. He fits needs for the top teams more than a draft pick - most of the teams picking at the bottom portion of the 1st are looking to win now. It would make a lot more sense that they add someone with the above qualities than take a shot at someone that is going to likely be sitting at the end of the bench.

KO, lee, and willy could all get us 1st rounders if we put them out there and the right team were interested in moving one. of course, no one wants to trade willy. but i could see portland cashing in one of the three. or one of the farther along teams at the bottom.

man people getting mad at me for trying to counter jinx us. feels bad to be misunderstood, just like Mike Antoni

[Jeff Van Gully]

I actually think he can. A 1st in the bottom portion of the round. There are several things working in KOQ's favor.

1. He's still in his prime - he just turned 27 a couple months back
2. He's extremely cheap - He's on the books for only $4.15 million average per year for the next 2 years.
3. He's versatile - you can play him at both PF and C for major minutes and even start him (some of his best play was when he started last season)
4. He's coming off his best season - while the stats are not exploding off the page I think most everyone saw how well KOQ played.
5. He fits needs for the top teams more than a draft pick - most of the teams picking at the bottom portion of the 1st are looking to win now. It would make a lot more sense that they add someone with the above qualities than take a shot at someone that is going to likely be sitting at the end of the bench.

KO, lee, and willy could all get us 1st rounders if we put them out there and the right team were interested in moving one. of course, no one wants to trade willy. but i could see portland cashing in one of the three. or one of the farther along teams at the bottom.

man people getting mad at me for trying to counter jinx us. feels bad to be misunderstood, just like Mike Antoni

completely. my bad. carry on then.

o'quinn can't get us schidt.

honestly, i don't think lee is getting traded. i think phil likes him around. and after dude took that bargain deal for us, trading him now would be suck a dick move.