RealGM 2017 Fan Forum Mock Draft - NYK #8

[moocow007]

Jackson is trying to win now. Monk would be more likely to suit that purpose.

[Sark]

Jackson is trying to win now. Monk would be more likely to suit that purpose.

He never said that.

[moocow007]

Jackson is trying to win now. Monk would be more likely to suit that purpose.

He never said that.

"We'd like him to have success,"Jackson said of Carmelo Anthony, per ESPN. "The opportunity is narrowing. We'd just like him to have success somewhere. We're not going to be there. Hopefully, we'll be maybe a playoff team next year. It would be tough to consider us a possible champion."

For this team to be a playoff team they would have to seriously try to win now. Or are you saying that Phil Jackson is completely delusional? Pick one.

Also why would he make the trades and free agents signings he's made if the plan wasn't to win now?

And do I honestly have to find the quote from him about wanting to sign veterans that can defend this offseason? Why would he do that if he's not trying to win now? Because he's stupid?

[Sark]

Jackson is trying to win now. Monk would be more likely to suit that purpose.

He never said that.

"We'd like him to have success,"Jackson said of Carmelo Anthony, per ESPN. "The opportunity is narrowing. We'd just like him to have success somewhere. We're not going to be there. Hopefully, we'll be maybe a playoff team next year. It would be tough to consider us a possible champion."

For this team to be a playoff team they would have to seriously try to win now. Or are you saying that Phil Jackson is completely delusional? Pick one.

Also why would he make the trades and free agents signings he's made if the plan wasn't to win now?

And do I honestly have to find the quote form him about wanting to sign veterans that can defend? Why would he do that if he's nbot trying to win now?

Literally every team before the season says they hope to make the playoffs. The sentence right before he says "We're not going to be there".

The veterans he's looking at aren't game changers, and aren't putting us in the playoffs.

If he were trying to win now, he'd trade KP and WHG to build around Melo.

[malik959]

I see it this way, Monk can go anywhere from 5-9 while frank is listed anywhere from 7-13, I like both, but you just can't pass on Monk.

[moocow007]

He never said that.

"We'd like him to have success,"Jackson said of Carmelo Anthony, per ESPN. "The opportunity is narrowing. We'd just like him to have success somewhere. We're not going to be there. Hopefully, we'll be maybe a playoff team next year. It would be tough to consider us a possible champion."

For this team to be a playoff team they would have to seriously try to win now. Or are you saying that Phil Jackson is completely delusional? Pick one.

Also why would he make the trades and free agents signings he's made if the plan wasn't to win now?

And do I honestly have to find the quote form him about wanting to sign veterans that can defend? Why would he do that if he's nbot trying to win now?

Literally every team before the season says they hope to make the playoffs. The sentence right before he says "We're not going to be there".

Oh come on. That "We're not going to be there" refers to a championship (see the next sentence).

The veterans he's looking at aren't game changers, and aren't putting us in the playoffs.

? So what is the point of signing 30+ veterans to large contracts for? To spend money? What is NOah for? What is Lee for? What is Lance Thomas for? What was trading for Rose, Calderon, etc. for?

If he were trying to win now, he'd trade KP and WHG to build around Melo.

He's still got plenty of time to do that. He's already fired the guy that was supposed to be tailing KP and making sure he does what he needs to do.

[Sark]

For this team to be a playoff team they would have to seriously try to win now. Or are you saying that Phil Jackson is completely delusional? Pick one.

Also why would he make the trades and free agents signings he's made if the plan wasn't to win now?

And do I honestly have to find the quote form him about wanting to sign veterans that can defend? Why would he do that if he's nbot trying to win now?

Literally every team before the season says they hope to make the playoffs. The sentence right before he says "We're not going to be there".

Oh come on. That "We're not going to be there" refers to a championship (see the next sentence).

The veterans he's looking at aren't game changers, and aren't putting us in the playoffs.

? So what is the point of signing 30+ veterans to large contracts for? To spend money? What is NOah for? What is Lee for? What is Lance Thomas for? What was trading for Rose, Calderon, etc. for?

If he were trying to win now, he'd trade KP and WHG to build around Melo.

He's still got plenty of time to do that. He's already fired the guy that was supposed to be tailing KP and making sure he does what he needs to do.

You're gravely misconstruing the comment in order to fit your narrative that Phil is inept, and doesn't know what he is doing. Saying he hopes to make the playoffs is not the same thing as trying to win now. He's said on many occasions that he's trying to find the right type of player. That player might be Monk, and he might draft him, but it won't be because he's trying to win now.

[HarthorneWingo]

If those were the remaining to guys (the poll options I mean), I'd go (in order of preference):

- Nikita
- Monk
- Markannen (2 Porzingis are better than one! )
- Zach Collins (I really like this guy's game)
- Trade the Pick

--Mags

Plus, we could name a drink after him. "I'll have a Zach Collins on the rocks, please."

Tom isn't good enough for you?

Zach is taller and has a little more oomph.

[HarthorneWingo]

I see it this way, Monk can go anywhere from 5-9 while frank is listed anywhere from 7-13, I like both, but you just can't pass on Monk.

I think you want us to draft him for username purposes.

[moocow007]

Literally every team before the season says they hope to make the playoffs. The sentence right before he says "We're not going to be there".

Oh come on. That "We're not going to be there" refers to a championship (see the next sentence).

The veterans he's looking at aren't game changers, and aren't putting us in the playoffs.

? So what is the point of signing 30+ veterans to large contracts for? To spend money? What is NOah for? What is Lee for? What is Lance Thomas for? What was trading for Rose, Calderon, etc. for?

If he were trying to win now, he'd trade KP and WHG to build around Melo.

He's still got plenty of time to do that. He's already fired the guy that was supposed to be tailing KP and making sure he does what he needs to do.

You're gravely misconstruing the comment in order to fit your narrative that Phil is inept, and doesn't know what he is doing. Saying he hopes to make the playoffs is not the same thing as trying to win now. He's said on many occasions that he's trying to find the right type of player. That player might be Monk, and he might draft him, but it won't be because he's trying to win now.

So Jackson didn't make all those moves he has made? What narrative? Am I going to wake up tomorrow and find that Noah was signed to a 3 year $24 million contract? Why don't you actually answer why Jackson has made the moves he's made? This includes giving Carmelo Anthony that ludicrous NTC? If his goal wasn't to win then he's even worse than he already is. At least you can argue that those moves (at the time) made sense in an attempt to win.

What I've listed is either what Jackson said or what Jackson has done. You on the other hand is telling me that I'm misconstruing what he said because he actually doesn't mean what he said (because somehow you know better what he actually means?)...and apparently doesn't mean what he's done either since you've skipped that. Usually...what a person does, is a pretty good indication of what he's trying to do. In Jackson's case, he's been trying to win since he got hired. What would change that all of a sudden?

You're the one with the narrative. Literally. You are telling me that he didn't mean what he said and that I should instead interpret to fit him favorably.

[Sark]

Oh come on. That "We're not going to be there" refers to a championship (see the next sentence).



? So what is the point of signing 30+ veterans to large contracts for? To spend money? What is NOah for? What is Lee for? What is Lance Thomas for? What was trading for Rose, Calderon, etc. for?



He's still got plenty of time to do that. He's already fired the guy that was supposed to be tailing KP and making sure he does what he needs to do.

You're gravely misconstruing the comment in order to fit your narrative that Phil is inept, and doesn't know what he is doing. Saying he hopes to make the playoffs is not the same thing as trying to win now. He's said on many occasions that he's trying to find the right type of player. That player might be Monk, and he might draft him, but it won't be because he's trying to win now.

So Jackson didn't make all those moves he has made? What narrative? Am I going to wake up tomorrow and find that Noah was signed to a 3 year $24 million contract? Why don't you actually answer why Jackson has made the moves he's made? This includes giving Carmelo Anthony that ludicrous NTC? If his goal wasn't to win then he's even worse than he already is. At least you can argue that those moves (at the time) made sense in an attempt to win.

What I've listed is either what Jackson said or what Jackson has done. You on the other hand is telling me that I'm misconstruing what he said because he actually doesn't mean what he said (because somehow you know better what he actually means?)...and apparently doesn't mean what he's done either.

You're the one with the narrative. Literally. You are telling me that he didn't mean what he said and that I should instead interpret to fit him favorably.

He made all those moves to win in Melo's window. He also made sure that the moves didn't cripple the franchise long term, to remain flexible if it didn't work out.

It didn't work out. The window is closed.

[moocow007]

You're gravely misconstruing the comment in order to fit your narrative that Phil is inept, and doesn't know what he is doing. Saying he hopes to make the playoffs is not the same thing as trying to win now. He's said on many occasions that he's trying to find the right type of player. That player might be Monk, and he might draft him, but it won't be because he's trying to win now.

So Jackson didn't make all those moves he has made? What narrative? Am I going to wake up tomorrow and find that Noah was signed to a 3 year $24 million contract? Why don't you actually answer why Jackson has made the moves he's made? This includes giving Carmelo Anthony that ludicrous NTC? If his goal wasn't to win then he's even worse than he already is. At least you can argue that those moves (at the time) made sense in an attempt to win.

What I've listed is either what Jackson said or what Jackson has done. You on the other hand is telling me that I'm misconstruing what he said because he actually doesn't mean what he said (because somehow you know better what he actually means?)...and apparently doesn't mean what he's done either.

You're the one with the narrative. Literally. You are telling me that he didn't mean what he said and that I should instead interpret to fit him favorably.

He made all those moves to win in Melo's window. He also made sure that the moves didn't cripple the franchise long term, to remain flexible if it didn't work out.

It didn't work out. The window is closed.

So Noah's contract doesn't cripple? Carmelo Anthony's NTC doesn't cripple? If that's the case then the Knicks would have been fine all those years wasted under Isiah Thomas and Scott Layden.

[Sark]

So Jackson didn't make all those moves he has made? What narrative? Am I going to wake up tomorrow and find that Noah was signed to a 3 year $24 million contract? Why don't you actually answer why Jackson has made the moves he's made? This includes giving Carmelo Anthony that ludicrous NTC? If his goal wasn't to win then he's even worse than he already is. At least you can argue that those moves (at the time) made sense in an attempt to win.

What I've listed is either what Jackson said or what Jackson has done. You on the other hand is telling me that I'm misconstruing what he said because he actually doesn't mean what he said (because somehow you know better what he actually means?)...and apparently doesn't mean what he's done either.

You're the one with the narrative. Literally. You are telling me that he didn't mean what he said and that I should instead interpret to fit him favorably.

He made all those moves to win in Melo's window. He also made sure that the moves didn't cripple the franchise long term, to remain flexible if it didn't work out.

It didn't work out. The window is closed.

So Noah's contract doesn't cripple? Carmelo Anthony's NTC doesn't cripple? If that's the case then the Knicks would have been fine all those years wasted under Isiah Thomas and Scott Layden.

Noah's contract isn't crippling because the team isn't trying to sign big name free agents, hence not trying to win now.

Melo's contract is cancerous. Literally no one wants it. But Phil was hired to resign him.

Now that period is over, it's time to move on.

[blueNorange]

I like both for various reasons...Frank because of that defensive upside

what good is defensive upside when you're not even athletic compared to everyone else?

[magnumt]

I like both for various reasons...Frank because of that defensive upside

what good is defensive upside when you're not even athletic compared to everyone else?

How'd you come to that conclusion when Frank wasn't even at the Combine to measure, and no, the eye test won't tell you if Frank can get into the lane faster than all the other PG prospects at the NBA level.

Also, athleticism isn't a key to Defensive prowess. It helps, but isn't key. Frank is 6'5, and is taller than most PGs.

--Mags

[Synciere]

Damn! Missed this thread...

As much as I don't like smaller guards, Monk was just TOO explosive as a scorer. Frank kind of reminds me of Exum in Utah. Not a great comp since Exum had the torn ACL, but before he got hurt, his defensive impact far outweighed his offensive impact. But his defensive impact was damn near elite. Top ten pick I kind of want someone capable of being a two way player though.

I probably pick Monk, gun to the head.

[mos_def]

I would take Monk cuz he is a better shooter based on advanced stats. You never want to play 4 on 5 on offense. The team pretty much did that with Noah

[dakomish23]

Literally every team before the season says they hope to make the playoffs. The sentence right before he says "We're not going to be there".

Oh come on. That "We're not going to be there" refers to a championship (see the next sentence).

The veterans he's looking at aren't game changers, and aren't putting us in the playoffs.

? So what is the point of signing 30+ veterans to large contracts for? To spend money? What is NOah for? What is Lee for? What is Lance Thomas for? What was trading for Rose, Calderon, etc. for?

If he were trying to win now, he'd trade KP and WHG to build around Melo.

He's still got plenty of time to do that. He's already fired the guy that was supposed to be tailing KP and making sure he does what he needs to do.

You're gravely misconstruing the comment in order to fit your narrative that Phil is inept, and doesn't know what he is doing. Saying he hopes to make the playoffs is not the same thing as trying to win now. He's said on many occasions that he's trying to find the right type of player. That player might be Monk, and he might draft him, but it won't be because he's trying to win now.

No comments need to be misconstrued. All you have to do is look at the transactions to know how inept PJax has been.

The list is abysmal

[dakomish23]

You're gravely misconstruing the comment in order to fit your narrative that Phil is inept, and doesn't know what he is doing. Saying he hopes to make the playoffs is not the same thing as trying to win now. He's said on many occasions that he's trying to find the right type of player. That player might be Monk, and he might draft him, but it won't be because he's trying to win now.

So Jackson didn't make all those moves he has made? What narrative? Am I going to wake up tomorrow and find that Noah was signed to a 3 year $24 million contract? Why don't you actually answer why Jackson has made the moves he's made? This includes giving Carmelo Anthony that ludicrous NTC? If his goal wasn't to win then he's even worse than he already is. At least you can argue that those moves (at the time) made sense in an attempt to win.

What I've listed is either what Jackson said or what Jackson has done. You on the other hand is telling me that I'm misconstruing what he said because he actually doesn't mean what he said (because somehow you know better what he actually means?)...and apparently doesn't mean what he's done either.

You're the one with the narrative. Literally. You are telling me that he didn't mean what he said and that I should instead interpret to fit him favorably.

He made all those moves to win in Melo's window. He also made sure that the moves didn't cripple the franchise long term, to remain flexible if it didn't work out.

It didn't work out. The window is closed.

100% false. See signature for who's responsible for Noah.

You are lying

[The Bronx]

Jackson is trying to win now. Monk would be more likely to suit that purpose.

He never said that.

"We'd like him to have success,"Jackson said of Carmelo Anthony, per ESPN. "The opportunity is narrowing. We'd just like him to have success somewhere. We're not going to be there. Hopefully, we'll be maybe a playoff team next year. It would be tough to consider us a possible champion."

For this team to be a playoff team they would have to seriously try to win now. Or are you saying that Phil Jackson is completely delusional? Pick one.

None.

No GM says "we are going to tank this year, forget the playoffs"