2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

Kobblehead · Post #1841 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:52 pm

Boykins has the same issue Denzel Livingston had. Which is he might just be too light/weak to make it to the big time.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1842 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:53 pm

Drafting De'aaron Fox at #3 can also be a contingency plan for if Embiid physically breaks down and/or Ben Simmons gets exposed for not being able to score.

cksdayoff · Post #1843 » by **cksdayoff** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:56 pm

i think drafting fox at #3 is going to be a big mistake.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1844 » by **Unbreakable99** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:11 pm

cksdayoff wrote:i think drafting fox at #3 is going to be a big mistake.

Why? I don't get this thinking. If you draft right there is no mistake. Would you rather we didn't draft at 3 and drafted at 5 instead?

sixerhp3 · Post #1845 » by **sixerhp3** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:40 pm

Watch on YouTube

I know it's high school. But Jackson looks comfortable with that jumper as a scoring weapon. Wouldn't be surprised if his shot is better than we think.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1846 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:57 pm

sixerhp3 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

I know it's high school. But Jackson looks comfortable with that jumper as a scoring weapon. Wouldn't be surprised if his shot is better than we think.

Josh Jackson get's his layup attempt blocked again! 0:43 he gets his layup blocked in high school. We've seen Oregon's Jordan Bell do it twice, and I've witnessed some guy from Texas Tech do it and get called for goaltending, but this seals the deal. It hasn't gone unnoticed that he never operates out of the triple threat position. Josh Jackson has major flaws to his game for a #3 overall wing. He has this way of scoring that requires certain plays to be called where he never catches the ball on the wing with his feet set with any expectations of driving to the basket. He must receive the ball with his feet already moving. The Sixers have that in their system, but I think that a #3 overall wing should be able to operate out of the triple threat position and be an actual triple threat. His post up game does nothing but inflate his college stats, whose going to give him the ball on the block in the NBA to use that one move he has down there?

cksdayoff · Post #1847 » by **cksdayoff** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:00 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:i think drafting fox at #3 is going to be a big mistake.

Why? I don't get this thinking. If you draft right there is no mistake. Would you rather we didn't draft at 3 and drafted at 5 instead?

fox can't shoot, and he's a tooth pick. if his greatest asset is speed and attacking the basket, he's gonna need a couple of years to bulk up.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1848 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:44 am

cksdayoff wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:i think drafting fox at #3 is going to be a big mistake.

Why? I don't get this thinking. If you draft right there is no mistake. Would you rather we didn't draft at 3 and drafted at 5 instead?

fox can't shoot, and he's a tooth pick. if his greatest asset is speed and attacking the basket, he's gonna need a couple of years to bulk up.

You said picking at 3 is a mistake though. Why?

MR28 · Post #1849 » by **MR28** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:50 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
Why? I don't get this thinking. If you draft right there is no mistake. Would you rather we didn't draft at 3 and drafted at 5 instead?

fox can't shoot, and he's a tooth pick. if his greatest asset is speed and attacking the basket, he's gonna need a couple of years to bulk up.

You said picking at 3 is a mistake though. Why?

That's not what he said.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1850 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:58 am

MR28 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
fox can't shoot, and he's a tooth pick. if his greatest asset is speed and attacking the basket, he's gonna need a couple of years to bulk up.

You said picking at 3 is a mistake though. Why?

That's not what he said.

Ah my bad. Yeah I look like a damn fool lol.

Ericb5 · Post #1851 » by **Ericb5** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:03 am

cksdayoff wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:i think drafting fox at #3 is going to be a big mistake.

Why? I don't get this thinking. If you draft right there is no mistake. Would you rather we didn't draft at 3 and drafted at 5 instead?

fox can't shoot, and he's a tooth pick. if his greatest asset is speed and attacking the basket, he's gonna need a couple of years to bulk up.

The risk is that he turns into the next Tony Wroten, but I think he is a better scorer and defender, and he will probably be really good in time.

I could be convinced to take him 4th.

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SelfishPlayer · Post #1852 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:11 am

Ericb5 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
Why? I don't get this thinking. If you draft right there is no mistake. Would you rather we didn't draft at 3 and drafted at 5 instead?

fox can't shoot, and he's a tooth pick. if his greatest asset is speed and attacking the basket, he's gonna need a couple of years to bulk up.

The risk is that he turns into the next Tony Wroten, but I think he is a better scorer and defender, and he will probably be really good in time.

I could be convinced to take him 4th.

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That's not a realistic risk, he's already better than Wrotten ever was. He doesn't miss layups and have a horrendous assist to turnover ratio like Wrotten.

cksdayoff · Post #1853 » by **cksdayoff** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:13 am

Ericb5 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
Why? I don't get this thinking. If you draft right there is no mistake. Would you rather we didn't draft at 3 and drafted at 5 instead?

fox can't shoot, and he's a tooth pick. if his greatest asset is speed and attacking the basket, he's gonna need a couple of years to bulk up.

The risk is that he turns into the next Tony Wroten, but I think he is a better scorer and defender, and he will probably be really good in time.

I could be convinced to take him 4th.

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fox could be great. he could also be dennis schroder (which is a fine player). i dunno if i would take dennis schroder at #3

Mik317 · Post #1854 » by **Mik317** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:25 am

Not to go all armchair phychologist but Fox just seems like a great kid,there is this confident and hard working vibe from him when he speaks...or as the kids like (liked....god I am so out of the loop)to say he has swag.

Ericb5 · Post #1855 » by **Ericb5** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:36 am

Mik317 wrote:Not to go all armchair phychologist but Fox just seems like a great kid,there is this confident and hard working vibe from him when he speaks...or as the kids like (liked....god I am so out of the loop)to say he has swag.

He has heart for sure. I like him a lot. I just like him less than Jackson.

Jackson and Fox are both good defenders, but Jackson is more versatile. Plus Jackson can play more without the ball. So I like the fit with Fox less, but I also think that Jackson is just more talented.

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PhilasFinest · Post #1856 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:40 am

Fox could be a stud. Kids a blur and is going to be a problem to defend in transition or with a head of steam off the PNR.

He got better as the season progressed and really raised his game to another level in the tournament when the team needed him.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1857 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:45 am

Ericb5 wrote:
Mik317 wrote:Not to go all armchair phychologist but Fox just seems like a great kid,there is this confident and hard working vibe from him when he speaks...or as the kids like (liked....god I am so out of the loop)to say he has swag.

He has heart for sure. I like him a lot. I just like him less than Jackson.

Jackson and Fox are both good defenders, but Jackson is more versatile. Plus Jackson can play more without the ball. So I like the fit with Fox less, but I also think that Jackson is just more talented.

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Everything that Fox does translates to the NBA. Jackson scored a ton of points on the low post as a college PF/C against players that will never get one single minute in the D League. Fox can be seen totally dominating Lonzo Ball and laying the ball up in the face of Josh Jackson twice. That's that Allen Iverson/Kobe Bryant/Wade killer instinct and competitive juice to attack the best NBA prospects.

ivysixer2000 · Post #1858 » by **ivysixer2000** » Wed May 24, 2017 2:54 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Mik317 wrote:Not to go all armchair phychologist but Fox just seems like a great kid,there is this confident and hard working vibe from him when he speaks...or as the kids like (liked....god I am so out of the loop)to say he has swag.

He has heart for sure. I like him a lot. I just like him less than Jackson.

Jackson and Fox are both good defenders, but Jackson is more versatile. Plus Jackson can play more without the ball. So I like the fit with Fox less, but I also think that Jackson is just more talented.

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Everything that Fox does translates to the NBA. Jackson scored a ton of points on the low post as a college PF/C against players that will never get one single minute in the D League. Fox can be seen totally dominating Lonzo Ball and laying the ball up in the face of Josh Jackson twice. That's that Allen Iverson/Kobe Bryant/Wade killer instinct and competitive juice to attack the best NBA prospects.

I do think alot here underestimate Fox. He seems to be a hard worker, and I would rather have that long term cause great players improve their games with time.....and step up in big moments. He made Ball look like a D-league player out there.

There are actually several guys I like for us with this deep draft.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1859 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Wed May 24, 2017 2:59 am

Jackson, Fox, or Monk are my guys personally. Any one of those three and I will be extremely happy.

Post #1860 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed May 24, 2017 3:40 am

ivysixer2000 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
He has heart for sure. I like him a lot. I just like him less than Jackson.

Jackson and Fox are both good defenders, but Jackson is more versatile. Plus Jackson can play more without the ball. So I like the fit with Fox less, but I also think that Jackson is just more talented.

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Everything that Fox does translates to the NBA. Jackson scored a ton of points on the low post as a college PF/C against players that will never get one single minute in the D League. Fox can be seen totally dominating Lonzo Ball and laying the ball up in the face of Josh Jackson twice. That's that Allen Iverson/Kobe Bryant/Wade killer instinct and competitive juice to attack the best NBA prospects.

I do think alot here underestimate Fox. He seems to be a hard worker, and I would rather have that long term cause great players improve their games with time.....and step up in big moments. He made Ball look like a D-league player out there.

There are actually several guys I like for us with this deep draft.

Not saying Fox will be a bust but putting too much stock in a couple of games and buy into narratives is generally a mistake... watching kyrie kill the Celtics tonight I am reminded of how people didn't think he would succeed in the NBA because they thought he was milking his injury because he was afraid to play in college and expose himself.