Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership

[FlagsFlyForever]

Thank god he didn't get to trade the Giannis pick for Josh Smith and extend Jennings and Monta like he wanted to as well.

Hypothetical John Hammond sounds terrible. Or great, depending on who you ask. Actual John Hammond can't accurately be judged for about five years.

How many jobs are you given 15 years before being judged?

It's okay to have an opinion from year one. I used to hate Hammond and I wanted him fired. Then we saw more from him and he built what I consider to be a promising, young core and now I am excited about the future and I praise the job Hammond has done. It's reasonable to think Hammond is terrible today. I just hope people are open minded enough to reconsider their opinion if the Bucks are contenders during the Giannis era.

[MidnightBuck]

We lost a great drafter and a terrible contract giver outer. Fortunately for us, the draft isn't how this team takes the next step at this point.

he wrote one bad contract in 10 years.... drew gooden. and that contract was forced all over him by skiles specifically with kohl backing him up. I don't count the sanders deal and if you do your just as crazy as sanders turned out to be.

besides that there isn't a single other contract he ever wrote that he couldn't have moved or didn't move for an expiring. that's a fact. bad contracts are immoveable and moveable contracts are just contracts.

Ha, no. I'm not just talking about generationally bad contracts that have the potential to shackle a franchise for their duration (Gooden, Plumlee - credit for ridding, Sanders, Henson). I'm talking about the free agent pickups in general over the course of his tenure. Move the needle signings always flopped (Mayo, Gooden) and role player signings were somehow underwhelming even with tempered expectations (Teletovic, Chris Copeland, Gary Neal, need I continue?).

I can't imagine an argument to support the sum of Hammond's work on the FA/contract side.

[Baddy Chuck]

Dang, you're chapped today... Tell us again how the Jennings - Knight/Midds trade really wasn't suppose to happen.

Simple, the Bucks wanted Jennings back on an extension. Jennings didn't want to sign said extension. That led to him being traded in a very good trade for the Bucks.

Link?

Haven't we already come to the conclusion that links offer nothing and the only thing that would prove anything would be the word out of Hammond's mouth?

[zjl3]

Hate that some people have for John Hammond needs to be redirected towards -

1) Herb Kohl

2) Jason Kidd

The new "enlightened" owners would not have kept Hammond if they thought he was a bad GM.

All of the bad moves after Kidd came can be directly traced to Jason "POBO Wannabee" Kidd.

What's interesting is that all of the former Bucks coaches and GMs from the last 15 years are still in the NBA or College (or were recently)

This includes Karl, Porter, Stotts, Coach K, Skiles, Jim Boylan, Larry Drew, Ernie Grunfeld, Larry Harris (now GSW Asst. GM), Jeff Weltman, and now John Hammond.

[MidnightBuck]

We lost a great drafter.

Hammonds first round picks.

Joe Alexander - Played 67 games in the NBA. Bad
Brandon Jennings - Played 4 seasons for the team, traded, turned into a well below average bench guard.
Larry Sanders - Played 5 seasons. Crazy. Out of the league.
Tobias Harris - Played 80 games for team before being traded. Solid versatile tweener.
John Henson - Played 5 seasons. Backup centre.
Giannis Antetokounmpo - Star.
Rashad Vaughn - Behind Jason Terry on the depth chart.
Jabari Parker - Knee injury. Not Embiid.
Thon Maker. Might be the non crazy version of Sanders.

Depending on how you feel about Thon/Tobes there's only one sure fire starter out of 8 picks.

Edited for Jabari.

Brogdon? We don't know yet but it seems Thon may well surpass anything Sanders could have been. Giannis is generational. Sanders was a fluke. You're selling Jennings value pretty short (well below average bench guard, come on). I can flip it right on you - I see 1 genuinely bad pick out of 8. With at least 3 potential All-Stars.

[4xBuck]

Haven't we already come to the conclusion that links offer nothing and the only thing that would prove anything would be the word out of Hammond's mouth?

No...

Any credible source would be good.

[Baddy Chuck]

Haven't we already come to the conclusion that links offer nothing and the only thing that would prove anything would be the word out of Hammond's mouth?

No...

Any credible source would be good.

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/54643/jennings-not-looking-to-leave-bucks

Here's an ESPN article about how we offered Jennings 4/40 and he turned it down.

And if Ric Bucher isn't a credible source for the Josh Smith thing there's maybe like 5 people in the world you'd consider credible, two of them obviously being Hammond and Ferry.

[glenn]

Spoiler:

Hate that some people have for John Hammond needs to be redirected towards -

1) Herb Kohl

2) Jason Kidd

The new "enlightened" owners would not have kept Hammond if they thought he was a bad GM.

All of the bad moves after Kidd came can be directly traced to Jason "POBO Wannabee" Kidd.

What's interesting is that all of the former Bucks coaches and GMs from the last 15 years are still in the NBA or College (or were recently)

This includes Karl, Porter, Stotts, Coach K, Skiles, Jim Boylan, Larry Drew, Ernie Grunfeld, Larry Harris (now GSW Asst. GM), Jeff Weltman, and now John Hammond.

I've redirected some hate towards the dumb way you formatted your post.

[tydett]

Seriously, though, we have a chance to leave this offseason without getting dicked by our RFA's.

Also, **** it, I want Chauncey Billups as new GM. Retreads don't interest me.

[Baddy Chuck]

It's okay to have an opinion from year one. I used to hate Hammond and I wanted him fired. Then we saw more from him and he built what I consider to be a promising, young core and now I am excited about the future and I praise the job Hammond has done. It's reasonable to think Hammond is terrible today. I just hope people are open minded enough to reconsider their opinion if the Bucks are contenders during the Giannis era.

Really the only thing that would make me reconsider is if Thon becomes a huge piece in those teams. I think that was one of the really only "Hammond" move that could really help Giannis reach those levels. If it's mostly due to Giannis and a competent team around him I wouldn't look too much into Hammond, because if there's one thing we can look and say about Hammond it's that he hasn't been able to build a competent NBA team.

[RandyBreuer]

We lost a great drafter and a terrible contract giver outer. Fortunately for us, the draft isn't how this team takes the next step at this point.

he wrote one bad contract in 10 years.... drew gooden. and that contract was forced all over him by skiles specifically with kohl backing him up. I don't count the sanders deal and if you do your just as crazy as sanders turned out to be.

besides that there isn't a single other contract he ever wrote that he couldn't have moved or didn't move for an expiring. that's a fact. bad contracts are immoveable and moveable contracts are just contracts.

No, Henson and Teletovic are bad contracts and may preventing us from keeping Snell and Monroe, or worse than that missing out on a PG like Teague.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Seriously, though, we have a chance to leave this offseason without getting dicked by our RFA's.

Also, **** it, I want Chauncey Billups as new GM. Retreads don't interest me.

I thought we were forcing Hammond out against his will so that Zanik could take over? Could our new GM really be somebody other than Zanik? Regardless of who our new GM is, I'll be open minded about them. Hopefully they're not just LED and Kidd's puppet.

[Nowak008]

A genuine lol.

I've always viewed Hammond leaving as the civil rights battle of this forum's lifetime.

Pretty much. 9 years God damn... I can't believe it's finally happened. This must be how Nelson Mandela felt after getting out of jail.

[4xBuck]

Haven't we already come to the conclusion that links offer nothing and the only thing that would prove anything would be the word out of Hammond's mouth?

No...

Any credible source would be good.

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/54643/jennings-not-looking-to-leave-bucks

Here's an ESPN article about how we offered Jennings 4/40 and he turned it down.

And if Ric Bucher isn't a credible source for the Josh Smith thing there's maybe like 5 people in the world you'd consider credible, two of them obviously being Hammond and Ferry.

That's a story from what, five months before the trade? That's just normal negotiations.

The facts are the Bucks decided not to give Jennings the contract he wanted and did trade him for Knight/Midds- period.

I know that fouls your Hammond hate, but it is what is.

[Baddy Chuck]

That's a story from what, five months before the trade? That's just normal negotiations.

The facts are the Bucks decided not to give Jennings the contract he wanted and did trade him for Knight/Midds- period.

I know that fouls your Hammond hate, but it is what is.

Yes, that's a story from when contract extension negotiations can occur, correct.

And sure it's a fact we made the trade. It's also a fact that we attempted to bring the team around Jennings, Monta, Redick and Josh Smith into the NBA under the Hammond command. Hope one day you can meet the man himself and he can give you the run down so maybe you'll believe.

[tski1972]

This thread is delivering.

[Ripster72]

While I have never been a huge fan of Hammond, I am feeling kinda queasy about what could happen in the next week or two... Hoping to be pleasantly surprised, but not holding my breath.

[4xBuck]

That's a story from what, five months before the trade? That's just normal negotiations.

The facts are the Bucks decided not to give Jennings the contract he wanted and did trade him for Knight/Midds- period.

I know that fouls your Hammond hate, but it is what is.

Yes, that's a story from when contract extension negotiations can occur, correct.

And sure it's a fact we made the trade. It's also a fact that we attempted to bring the team around Jennings, Monta, Redick and Josh Smith into the NBA under the Hammond command. Hope one day you can meet the man himself and he can give you the run down so maybe you'll believe.

Damn, you're gears are grindin'...

Don't stretch the read hearing fallacies too far, you'll be a drooling mess pretty soon.

[xTitan]

We lost a great drafter and a terrible contract giver outer. Fortunately for us, the draft isn't how this team takes the next step at this point.

If he was such a great drafter why was he unable to build a championship caliber foundation in 9 yrs?

[Erifee]

Hammond also picked Jodie Meeks, Mbah a Moute, and Jon Leuer in the second round and they are all still in the league.

Along with most of you, I see his departure as a net positive. But let's not pretend he didn't do well in drafting relative to other GM's.