Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership

[Baddy Chuck]

That's a story from what, five months before the trade? That's just normal negotiations.

The facts are the Bucks decided not to give Jennings the contract he wanted and did trade him for Knight/Midds- period.

I know that fouls your Hammond hate, but it is what is.

Yes, that's a story from when contract extension negotiations can occur, correct.

And sure it's a fact we made the trade. It's also a fact that we attempted to bring the team around Jennings, Monta, Redick and Josh Smith into the NBA under the Hammond command. Hope one day you can meet the man himself and he can give you the run down so maybe you'll believe.

Damn, you're gears are grindin'...

Don't stretch the read hearing fallacies too far, you'll be a drooling mess pretty soon.

My gears are grinding from the childish act of you sticking your fingers in your ears screaming "lah lah lah I can't hear you" whenever you are presented anything you don't want to hear.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

We lost a great drafter and a terrible contract giver outer. Fortunately for us, the draft isn't how this team takes the next step at this point.

he wrote one bad contract in 10 years.... drew gooden. and that contract was forced all over him by skiles specifically with kohl backing him up. I don't count the sanders deal and if you do your just as crazy as sanders turned out to be.

besides that there isn't a single other contract he ever wrote that he couldn't have moved or didn't move for an expiring. that's a fact. bad contracts are immoveable and moveable contracts are just contracts.

The Plumlee contract was bad, too... Hammond scrambled out of it, but it was bad.

it could have been bad. turned out it was just a contract you can move if the guy doesn't work out

[buckboy]

That's a story from what, five months before the trade? That's just normal negotiations.

The facts are the Bucks decided not to give Jennings the contract he wanted and did trade him for Knight/Midds- period.

I know that fouls your Hammond hate, but it is what is.

Yes, that's a story from when contract extension negotiations can occur, correct.

And sure it's a fact we made the trade. It's also a fact that we attempted to bring the team around Jennings, Monta, Redick and Josh Smith into the NBA under the Hammond command. Hope one day you can meet the man himself and he can give you the run down so maybe you'll believe.

Damn, you're gears are grindin'...

Don't stretch the read hearing fallacies too far, you'll be a drooling mess pretty soon.

I've rarely seen someone so committed to sounding dumb. Well done.

[Baddy Chuck]

he wrote one bad contract in 10 years.... drew gooden. and that contract was forced all over him by skiles specifically with kohl backing him up. I don't count the sanders deal and if you do your just as crazy as sanders turned out to be.

besides that there isn't a single other contract he ever wrote that he couldn't have moved or didn't move for an expiring. that's a fact. bad contracts are immoveable and moveable contracts are just contracts.

The Plumlee contract was bad, too... Hammond scrambled out of it, but it was bad.

it could have been bad. turned out it was just a contract you can move if the guy doesn't work out

When you literally waste $12 million in an offseason that could be used to improve your team, whether or not you can get out of it a year later, it's surely a bad contract that hindered your ability to build a competent team.

[blazza18]

We lost a great drafter and a terrible contract giver outer. Fortunately for us, the draft isn't how this team takes the next step at this point.

If he was such a great drafter why was he unable to build a championship caliber foundation in 9 yrs?

Hell. If he was this good drafter you'd think we'd have more than two seasons over .500 during his tenure.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

We lost a great drafter and a terrible contract giver outer. Fortunately for us, the draft isn't how this team takes the next step at this point.

he wrote one bad contract in 10 years.... drew gooden. and that contract was forced all over him by skiles specifically with kohl backing him up. I don't count the sanders deal and if you do your just as crazy as sanders turned out to be.

besides that there isn't a single other contract he ever wrote that he couldn't have moved or didn't move for an expiring. that's a fact. bad contracts are immoveable and moveable contracts are just contracts.

No, Henson and Teletovic are bad contracts and may preventing us from keeping Snell and Monroe, or worse than that missing out on a PG like Teague.

Henson we have made the conscious decision to keep. id agree teletovic looks bad. he might be the only guy hammonds signed besides gooden we cant move. with him I honestly don't know but I suspect he'd be another of that ilk.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

The Plumlee contract was bad, too... Hammond scrambled out of it, but it was bad.

it could have been bad. turned out it was just a contract you can move if the guy doesn't work out

When you literally waste $12 million in an offseason that could be used to improve your team, whether or not you can get out of it a year later, it's surely a bad contract that hindered your ability to build a competent team.

nah. thats a bad definition. guys that don't work out aren't bad contracts unless theyre immoveable. this board loved the shots we took this offseason. like **** LOVED it loved it besides plumlee who of course we moved. plumlee is a footnote. hes a guy we sniffed and now hes gone. that's all.

again.....the only bad deals are the ones you cant move if the guy takes a dump. you need to get your head around that.

[4xBuck]

Don't stretch the read hearing fallacies too far, you'll be a drooling mess pretty soon.

My gears are grinding from the childish act of you sticking your fingers in your ears screaming "lah lah lah I can't hear you" whenever you are presented anything you don't want to hear.

Well, you've done it, you're a droolin' mess...

You're so obsessed with pushing your hate you're literally saying anything to justify it. Fact- no matter how hard you try spin it, Hammond chose not to sign Jennings and traded him for Knight/Midds... Let that wash over ya.

[4xBuck]

I've rarely seen someone so committed to sounding dumb. Well done.

Start reading your own posts, you'll be buried in dumb.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Pat Riley
Donnie Nelson
R.C. Buford
Danny Ainge
Ernie Grunfeld
Daryl Morey
Chris Wallace
Sam Presti
John Hammond
Gar Forman
Dell Demps
Rich Cho
Bob Myers
Neil Olshey
Dennis Lindsey
David Griffin
Tim Connelly
Andy Elisburg
Steve Mills
Ryan McDonough
Masai Ujiri
Jeff Bower
Dave Wohl
Sean Marks
Scott Layden
Herb Livsey
Rob Pelinka
Matt Lloyd

These are the NBA GMs for the current season. 12 have been GM for more than 5 years (including Hammond). The grass isn't always greener.

[Baddy Chuck]

You're so obsessed with pushing your hate you're literally saying anything to justify it. Fact- no matter how hard you try spin it, Hammond chose not to sign Jennings and traded him for Knight/Midds... Let that wash over ya.

There's two truths.

1. Hammond tried to keep Jennings.
2. Hammond traded Jennings.

I believe both truths. You're the one denying one.

[Baddy Chuck]

again.....the only bad deals are the ones you cant move if the guy takes a dump. you need to get your head around that.

That's like saying if you invest your money in a house renovation and then 12 months and a ton of work later you get your money back that it wasn't a bad deal, and that's silly.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

keeping Jennings for a cheaper deal would have been a good move if a trade didn't develop. I hated him but he was still an asset.

[randy84]

Can we just hire someone from the Spurs to be GM? Please!! It could even be this guy.

[VooDoo7]

How crazy would it be if Orlando now hired Kidd?

When you say 'crazy', do you mean 'absolutely f*cking amazing'??

[paulpressey25]

Pat Riley
Donnie Nelson
R.C. Buford
Danny Ainge
Ernie Grunfeld
Daryl Morey
Chris Wallace
Sam Presti
John Hammond
Gar Forman
Dell Demps
Rich Cho
Bob Myers
Neil Olshey
Dennis Lindsey
David Griffin
Tim Connelly
Andy Elisburg
Steve Mills
Ryan McDonough
Masai Ujiri
Jeff Bower
Dave Wohl
Sean Marks
Scott Layden
Herb Livsey
Rob Pelinka
Matt Lloyd

These are the NBA GMs for the current season. 12 have been GM for more than 5 years (including Hammond). The grass isn't always greener.

Is there a way to sort GM's since say 1995 who have been tenured with the same team for nine straight seasons? I'd then research how many people in that rare air have no 50-win seasons or playoff series wins.

[LittleRooster]

Pat Riley
Donnie Nelson
R.C. Buford
Danny Ainge
Ernie Grunfeld
Daryl Morey
Chris Wallace
Sam Presti
John Hammond
Gar Forman
Dell Demps
Rich Cho
Bob Myers
Neil Olshey
Dennis Lindsey
David Griffin
Tim Connelly
Andy Elisburg
Steve Mills
Ryan McDonough
Masai Ujiri
Jeff Bower
Dave Wohl
Sean Marks
Scott Layden
Herb Livsey
Rob Pelinka
Matt Lloyd

These are the NBA GMs for the current season. 12 have been GM for more than 5 years (including Hammond). The grass isn't always greener.

Is there a way to sort GM's since say 1995 who have been tenured with the same team for nine straight seasons? I'd then research how many people in that rare air have no 50-win seasons or playoff series wins.

As I said earlier, if the Packers (of today's generation) had a gm like that fans would be up in arms.

I get it, as a Bucks fan I'm constantly thinking it can get worse. But I have some hope we can do better.


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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

again.....the only bad deals are the ones you cant move if the guy takes a dump. you need to get your head around that.

That's like saying if you invest your money in a house renovation and then 12 months and a ton of work later you get your money back that it wasn't a bad deal, and that's silly.

no actually its nothing like that.

its more like being a interior decorator who moves furniture around in a room, doesn't like what they've done so they move it back again. then they go home think it over and try something else the next day. youre decent if some of the moves the guy that hired to make loves you for it and you didn't screw him on a bunch of others...... in other words you didn't superglue the couch on a wall or some **** he has to look at for awhile and be like wtf.

moves like this go on with every team in the league every single season. I mean seriously.... who gives a **** about miles plumlee or his contract. its gone. he plays for charlotte now and we have the money this offseason to try out on somebody else.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Pat Riley
Donnie Nelson
R.C. Buford
Danny Ainge
Ernie Grunfeld
Daryl Morey
Chris Wallace
Sam Presti
John Hammond
Gar Forman
Dell Demps
Rich Cho
Bob Myers
Neil Olshey
Dennis Lindsey
David Griffin
Tim Connelly
Andy Elisburg
Steve Mills
Ryan McDonough
Masai Ujiri
Jeff Bower
Dave Wohl
Sean Marks
Scott Layden
Herb Livsey
Rob Pelinka
Matt Lloyd

These are the NBA GMs for the current season. 12 have been GM for more than 5 years (including Hammond). The grass isn't always greener.

Is there a way to sort GM's since say 1995 who have been tenured with the same team for nine straight seasons? I'd then research how many people in that rare air have no 50-win seasons or playoff series wins.

I'm not sure how to do that but I'd be interested in this.

If we could figure out the total number of GMs since 1995, then we can figure out a percentage of total GM hires who turn out to be "successes".

[Baddy Chuck]

moves like this go on with every team in the league every single season. I mean seriously.... who gives a **** about miles plumlee or his contract. its gone. he plays for charlotte now and we have the money this offseason to try out on somebody else.

I mean who should? The Bucks should. It was a move in a long line of Hammond moves that prevented them from doing something of greater benefit to the Bucks. I think it was AussieBuck that said something along these lines, you don't congratulate someone for cleaning up after themselves for **** in their pants.