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itsallaboutme · Post #1281 » by **itsallaboutme** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:48 am

LeBron is 32 so body is likely to deteriorate over the next few years, will also have Kyrie coming into his prime who might look for a team where he can become the main man. There is no team in the East within the forseable future that can challenge them but if SVG picks right at the draft and the trade table we might be best placed to challenge. I honestly dont think this roster is that far away from Boston.

Pharaoh · Post #1282 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:24 am

itsallaboutme wrote:LeBron is 32 so body is likely to deteriorate over the next few years, will also have Kyrie coming into his prime who might look for a team where he can become the main man. There is no team in the East within the forseable future that can challenge them but if SVG picks right at the draft and the trade table we might be best placed to challenge. I honestly dont think this roster is that far away from Boston.

Philly & Milwaukee say hello!

Philly:

Joel - Holmes - Okafor
Saric - Holmes - Simmons
Simmons - Covington - Saric
#3 2017
TJM

Throw in:

Lakers 2018 pick
Kings 2018 pick

Plus their own picks

Bucks: GIANNIS!

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Pharaoh · Post #1283 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:53 pm

Orlando have a new FO

Weltman & Hammond

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DBC10 · Post #1284 » by **DBC10** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:31 am

Kind of jealous of Orlando's FO situation. I think they hit it out of the park. Weltman is a smart guy and Hammond arguably has the magic touch when it comes to young talent evaluation.

If they figure out their coaching as I don't think Vogel is a right fit for that roster, then I think they have a really good thing coming to them.

Pharaoh · Post #1285 » by **Pharaoh** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:55 pm

DBC10 wrote:Kind of jealous of Orlando's FO situation. I think they hit it out of the park. Weltman is a smart guy and Hammond arguably has the magic touch when it comes to young talent evaluation.

If they figure out their coaching as I don't think Vogel is a right fit for that roster, then I think they have a really good thing coming to them.

I think Vogel is a fine coach and focuses on defense.

The drama is the roster.

Vuc & Biyombo
AG
Fournier
Ross & Mario
Payton

As far as "talent" goes they dont have much to show for all the transactions Hennigan completed

Given that Hammond drafted for length and athleticism in Milwaukee it'll be interesting to see how the Magic utilize their picks in June.

I don't think they can afford to draft for need - gotta go BPA and hope to hit a home run

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The Penguin · Post #1286 » by **The Penguin** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:50 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
itsallaboutme wrote:LeBron is 32 so body is likely to deteriorate over the next few years, will also have Kyrie coming into his prime who might look for a team where he can become the main man. There is no team in the East within the forseable future that can challenge them but if SVG picks right at the draft and the trade table we might be best placed to challenge. I honestly dont think this roster is that far away from Boston.

Philly & Milwaukee say hello!

Philly:

Joel - Holmes - Okafor
Saric - Holmes - Simmons
Simmons - Covington - Saric
#3 2017
TJM

Throw in:

Lakers 2018 pick
Kings 2018 pick

Plus their own picks

Bucks: GIANNIS!

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No kidding. Philly and Milwaukee are miles in front of us in terms of replacing the Cavs, as well as Boston. If Washington can figure out how to put pieces around Wall-Beal they are much better positioned than us as well.

I'm not so convinced the Cavs don't have another 5 years in them. Lebron's "training regime" seems to be defying age and continually making him stronger and faster. Must have discovered the fountain of youth down in Miami or the "all natural supplements" he receives while on "training" vacations work wonders.

I really believe we'll have 6 years of Warriors-Cavs Finals, if not more. By the time the Cavs are overcome in the East our current "core" is going to be pushing 30.

Pharaoh · Post #1287 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu May 25, 2017 1:22 am

Why do people assume Lebron is on PEDS?

In Australia we have rugby league players in their 30s who are the GOATs:

Thurston
Cameron Smith
Billy Slater

These guys play a much more physical sport...no one believes they take PEDs

Yet Lebron has been saddled with that accusation for a couple of years now

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DBC10 · Post #1288 » by **DBC10** » Fri May 26, 2017 5:09 am

Pharaoh wrote:Why do people assume Lebron is on PEDS?

In Australia we have rugby league players in their 30s who are the GOATs:

Thurston
Cameron Smith
Billy Slater

These guys play a much more physical sport...no one believes they take PEDs

Yet Lebron has been saddled with that accusation for a couple of years now

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May have to do with how rampant PEDs usage are in the states? It seems like there's always a story about how some star athlete or starter gets accused of the magic sauce. I know in my high school that kind of thing wasn't rampant but it was merely frowned upon or very low key to the point where "winning" some meaningless high school chip was all that mattered. A "win one for the town at all costs" kind of mentality.

Pharaoh · Post #1289 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri May 26, 2017 10:04 am

DBC10 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Why do people assume Lebron is on PEDS?

In Australia we have rugby league players in their 30s who are the GOATs:

Thurston
Cameron Smith
Billy Slater

These guys play a much more physical sport...no one believes they take PEDs

Yet Lebron has been saddled with that accusation for a couple of years now

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May have to do with how rampant PEDs usage are in the states? It seems like there's always a story about how some star athlete or starter gets accused of the magic sauce. I know in my high school that kind of thing wasn't rampant but it was merely frowned upon or very low key to the point where "winning" some meaningless high school chip was all that mattered. A "win one for the town at all costs" kind of mentality.

I've heard it's rampant but it's 2017 and guys like Lebron has access to the best medical/training advice on the planet

We had a rugby league player (Darren Lockyer) play until he was 36...and you could argue he was as good at 36 as he was at 32.

No one said he was on PEDs or crap like that

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jakebernat · Post #1290 » by **jakebernat** » Mon May 29, 2017 2:44 pm

so, in lieu of the spurs looking to shed salary, i'm hoping that the nets go hard after LMA, subsequently taking themselves out of the running for KCP. that would definitely help us out, as philly has plenty of options to consider other than going after KCP.

coordinator0 · Post #1291 » by **coordinator0** » Mon May 29, 2017 3:08 pm

Does Caldwell-Pope really make sense for the Nets? This is what they look like right now without their free agents:

Lin / Dinwiddie
Kilpatrick / Whitehead / Goodwin
LeVert / McDaniels / Harris
Hollis-Jefferson / Booker / Nicholson
Lopez / Hamilton / Acy

They have quite a few players with unguaranteed contracts and a lot could change but as it stands I'm not sure they really need Kentavious with Kilpatrick and Whitehead at the two. Now money has to (or should) be spent somewhere since they're going to be below the cap floor and I guess if Caldwell-Pope is their best bet it could work, but I don't see them as being desperate to add him. Despite the rumor a month or two ago about KCP being at the top of their list for the summer.

I think they should be looking more at a big than a wing. Like Aldridge as suggested.

Pharaoh · Post #1292 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue May 30, 2017 2:14 am

I can see the Nets taking on salary from SA...but not LMA

Would SA prefer moving Parker & Pau?

Spurs have a lot of "friends" in other FOs around the league but everything would hinge on CP3 taking less money.

IF he chooses to do that then the Spurs will make some calls.

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Post #1293 » by **Cowology** » Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:37 am

The Pistons have a bunch of mediocre talent. Some on good contracts, some on bad but regardless it's a bunch of mediocrity. Which would maybe be OK if the team had an identity. It does not. We're like the team equivalent of Rodney Stuckey thinking we're better than James Harden.

KCP & Stanley represent one possible identity. Reggie & Dre another. Mook & Tobias a 3rd. We collected assets and got "value" but weren't able to parlay that into tangible results, which tangibly resulted in the assets we collected losing value. So we're back to where we started. 30 wins or 45 wins makes no real difference; too bad to compete, too good to tank.

chrbal · Post #1294 » by **chrbal** » Thu Jun 1, 2017 11:06 pm

I honestly think the KCP to Brooklyn thing started because the Nets went after a lot of RFA Sgs last year. But they could certainly use him.

If i was hammond i think i would've stuck with Milwaukee. Unless he really likes building teams up.

Pharaoh · Post #1295 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Jun 2, 2017 2:53 am

I think Hammond was sick of the power struggle with Kidd being BFFs with one of the owners

Moving to Orlando with a guy he's worked with before is a win

Having a team that's been crap for years means he's safe for another few years...and after that it's retirement

Can see them taking Issac in the Draft

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DBC10 · Post #1296 » by **DBC10** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 3:14 am

Healthy Curry dancing on Lebron like that is the best thing to see.

And he got a triple double too. How the heck do you let Curry get a triple double.

Pharaoh · Post #1297 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 1:52 pm

IDGAF what people say:

Watching the Warriors play is amazing!

I could do with more post play and mid range shots but when you can bang them in from 25 feet what you gonna do? Drive? Why?

They share the ball & everyone wins because of it.

Call them the Super Spurs

Green, KD, Iggy, Klay, Curry

Green, KD, Klay, Livingston, Curry

Both line ups are just killers

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ChipButty · Post #1298 » by **ChipButty** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 6:23 pm

The Warriors look unstoppable, but I'm hoping that Cleveland find a way to make it competitive. Either way I fear how the league is going to respond. Only way to beat these teams is with a bigger and better super team.

Post #1299 » by **Cowology** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 5:39 am

Pharaoh wrote:IDGAF what people say:

Watching the Warriors play is amazing!

I could do with more post play and mid range shots but when you can bang them in from 25 feet what you gonna do? Drive? Why?

They share the ball & everyone wins because of it.

Call them the Super Spurs

Green, KD, Iggy, Klay, Curry

Green, KD, Klay, Livingston, Curry

Both line ups are just killers

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I enjoy watching them too!! My problem isn't with watching a good team, it's the 2400+ regular season and post-season games which we all know are meaningless that I have a problem with.

I'm not expecting true parity. I know we're always going to have tiers and that is OK. But I would like to see 4-5 legit contenders. Even if they are all in the West like they were in the early 2000's. Even trying to build a legit team right now seems like a ridiculous proposition. Before we could cling to "LeBrons window is closing as he gets older", but now it's more like "might as well tank for the next 3-5 years and hope that we strike gold so that in 6-8 years we have a chance... assuming there isn't another dominant super-team, which there surely will be..."

I don't blame Durant or GS. If the system is setup to allow this to happen it's going to happen. But regardless of Finals ratings I don't think it's good for the NBA as a whole.

DBC10 · Post #1300 » by **DBC10** » Tue Jun 6, 2017 6:52 am

Cowology wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:IDGAF what people say:

Watching the Warriors play is amazing!

I could do with more post play and mid range shots but when you can bang them in from 25 feet what you gonna do? Drive? Why?

They share the ball & everyone wins because of it.

Call them the Super Spurs

Green, KD, Iggy, Klay, Curry

Green, KD, Klay, Livingston, Curry

Both line ups are just killers

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I enjoy watching them too!! My problem isn't with watching a good team, it's the 2400+ regular season and post-season games which we all know are meaningless that I have a problem with.

I'm not expecting true parity. I know we're always going to have tiers and that is OK. But I would like to see 4-5 legit contenders. Even if they are all in the West like they were in the early 2000's. Even trying to build a legit team right now seems like a ridiculous proposition. Before we could cling to "LeBrons window is closing as he gets older", but now it's more like "might as well tank for the next 3-5 years and hope that we strike gold so that in 6-8 years we have a chance... assuming there isn't another dominant super-team, which there surely will be..."

I don't blame Durant or GS. If the system is setup to allow this to happen it's going to happen. But regardless of Finals ratings I don't think it's good for the NBA as a whole.

I'm conflicted since I understand your points, but there were always superteams in the past and the league adapted and came away relatively fine afterwards. The window for dominance swings pretty fast, so in the league, everything is relatively short term unless teams are actively thinking long term all the time via drafts. Even with this great team, I don't think it'll harm the league in the long term.