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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#721 » by k-lynch201 » Wed May 24, 2017 3:20 pm

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MotownMadness wrote:I'm actually seeing a possibility of you guys missing out on one of the PGs unfortunately. With that said Pistons have had a lot of picks in that 7-9 area and someone always drops. But let's say the draft goes like this

Fultz- Celtics
Ball- Lakers
Jackson- Philly
Tatum- Suns
Fox- Kings
DSJ- Magic ( heard they are high on him)
Isaac- Wolves
Ntilikina- Knicks ( just seems to be strong interest)

That leaves Monk, Markanen, Collins as most probable choices. Who do you think Cuban takes out of that group? Personally I really like Markanen for you guys. Just a absolute sniper as a 7 footer. And seems like a good fit next to Noel. If I'm not mistaken he's legit the best 3 point shooting 7 footer in NCAA history.

Monk is really the lynchpin of the top 10, that said, if he's left at 9 i take him, i think he's a better jason terry so if im getting a borderline all star at 9 i take it no doubt. There's no guarantee any of these guys are going to be stars


The wild cards are Philly, Kings and most of all Wolves and Knicks..Knicks are known to blow it (minus Porzi of course). So lets hope they do so.. Wolves don't need a PG with Dunn ready to take over.

And if Monk is going to be better than JET...totally OK with him at #9.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#722 » by Pinkyring » Wed May 24, 2017 3:52 pm

http://www.thebirdwrites.com/2017/5/22/15673144/jrue-holiday-free-agent-odds-new-orleans-pelicans-glushon-horford-chris-finch-jokic-cousins

Looks like holiday is gone, so if we can steal him either outright or a snt for wes or curry or both, with his size monk or frank would look great next to him
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#723 » by daoneandonly » Wed May 24, 2017 3:56 pm

Pinkyring wrote:http://www.thebirdwrites.com/2017/5/22/15673144/jrue-holiday-free-agent-odds-new-orleans-pelicans-glushon-horford-chris-finch-jokic-cousins

Looks like holiday is gone, so if we can steal him either outright or a snt for wes or curry or both, with his size monk or frank would look great next to him


He's a good player, but the Mavs should have learned from Wes (and the benefit of not signing Parsons) that you don't give guys who are coming off a big injury or always injured big contracts.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#724 » by Pinkyring » Wed May 24, 2017 4:03 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:http://www.thebirdwrites.com/2017/5/22/15673144/jrue-holiday-free-agent-odds-new-orleans-pelicans-glushon-horford-chris-finch-jokic-cousins

Looks like holiday is gone, so if we can steal him either outright or a snt for wes or curry or both, with his size monk or frank would look great next to him


He's a good player, but the Mavs should have learned from Wes (and the benefit of not signing Parsons) that you don't give guys who are coming off a big injury or always injured big contracts.

So u want to let noel walk too then correct?
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#725 » by daoneandonly » Wed May 24, 2017 4:49 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:http://www.thebirdwrites.com/2017/5/22/15673144/jrue-holiday-free-agent-odds-new-orleans-pelicans-glushon-horford-chris-finch-jokic-cousins

Looks like holiday is gone, so if we can steal him either outright or a snt for wes or curry or both, with his size monk or frank would look great next to him


He's a good player, but the Mavs should have learned from Wes (and the benefit of not signing Parsons) that you don't give guys who are coming off a big injury or always injured big contracts.

So u want to let noel walk too then correct?


Fair point, but Noel brings a unique skill set and is still only 23, so i think ti's worth rolling the dice. Not so much with Jrue, there are guys in the draft who cna bring much of what he does, sure it will take time, but worth it considering age and contract. Now if no one falls to us and the pels would take Wes/Curry, sure, you do that all day, but the Pels GM knows that the brick layer Wes Matthews is one of the worst contracts in basketball, so the offer is DOA.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#726 » by Yennefer » Wed May 24, 2017 4:58 pm

Donnie isn't as stupid to sign Holiday. That is the perfect player for mediocrity. Rather give Curry/Yogi/Rookie time at the PG to develop.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#727 » by daoneandonly » Wed May 24, 2017 5:04 pm

Yennefer wrote:Donnie isn't as stupid to sign Holiday. That is the perfect player for mediocrity. Rather give Curry/Yogi/Rookie time at the PG to develop.


Donnie signed Wes Matthews and Chandler Parsons (though Cuban was a huge factor in the latter), so yes, he is stupid.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#728 » by Devassa » Wed May 24, 2017 5:11 pm

Yennefer wrote:Donnie isn't as stupid to sign Holiday. That is the perfect player for mediocrity. Rather give Curry/Yogi/Rookie time at the PG to develop.


Would you rather go into next season with Yogi as our best PG again? Because I sure don't. Holiday, Rubio, Lowry, or the 9th pick. One of those needs to be starting at the one next year or we are screwed
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#729 » by daoneandonly » Wed May 24, 2017 5:14 pm

Devassa wrote:
Yennefer wrote:Donnie isn't as stupid to sign Holiday. That is the perfect player for mediocrity. Rather give Curry/Yogi/Rookie time at the PG to develop.


Would you rather go into next season with Yogi as our best PG again? Because I sure don't. Holiday, Rubio, Lowry, or the 9th pick. One of those needs to be starting at the one next year or we are screwed


This is true, if I had my pick, it would be in this order of who I would want to see:

1. Dennis Smith Jr.

2. Ricky Rubio
3. Jrue Holiday
4. Frank Nkinnia






5. Kyle "Disappear in the Playoffs" Lowry

Glad you didn't mention Teague or Hill
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#730 » by Pinkyring » Wed May 24, 2017 5:36 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:
Yennefer wrote:Donnie isn't as stupid to sign Holiday. That is the perfect player for mediocrity. Rather give Curry/Yogi/Rookie time at the PG to develop.


Would you rather go into next season with Yogi as our best PG again? Because I sure don't. Holiday, Rubio, Lowry, or the 9th pick. One of those needs to be starting at the one next year or we are screwed


This is true, if I had my pick, it would be in this order of who I would want to see:

1. Dennis Smith Jr.

2. Ricky Rubio
3. Jrue Holiday
4. Frank Nkinnia






5. Kyle "Disappear in the Playoffs" Lowry

Glad you didn't mention Teague or Hill

Smith would be awesome, but probably wont happen i wouldnt give a pick for rubio so if i could get jrue 4/80 i would do it
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#731 » by Devassa » Wed May 24, 2017 5:40 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:
Would you rather go into next season with Yogi as our best PG again? Because I sure don't. Holiday, Rubio, Lowry, or the 9th pick. One of those needs to be starting at the one next year or we are screwed


This is true, if I had my pick, it would be in this order of who I would want to see:

1. Dennis Smith Jr.

2. Ricky Rubio
3. Jrue Holiday
4. Frank Nkinnia






5. Kyle "Disappear in the Playoffs" Lowry

Glad you didn't mention Teague or Hill

Smith would be awesome, but probably wont happen i wouldnt give a pick for rubio so if i could get jrue 4/80 i would do it


I doubt that gets him here. He will probably get a max contract considering how well he has played when healthy. Same situation as Noel's. Dallas needs to get creative in finding ways to shed salaries for Powell and/or Matthews and taking back contracts that aren't owed as much per year.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#732 » by daoneandonly » Wed May 24, 2017 5:52 pm

Devassa wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
This is true, if I had my pick, it would be in this order of who I would want to see:

1. Dennis Smith Jr.

2. Ricky Rubio
3. Jrue Holiday
4. Frank Nkinnia






5. Kyle "Disappear in the Playoffs" Lowry

Glad you didn't mention Teague or Hill

Smith would be awesome, but probably wont happen i wouldnt give a pick for rubio so if i could get jrue 4/80 i would do it


I doubt that gets him here. He will probably get a max contract considering how well he has played when healthy. Same situation as Noel's. Dallas needs to get creative in finding ways to shed salaries for Powell and/or Matthews and taking back contracts that aren't owed as much per year.


Likely true. And for the record I would not give up a pick for Rubio either, unless it was a three way where we just moved down a few spots.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#733 » by Yennefer » Wed May 24, 2017 7:12 pm

Devassa wrote:
Yennefer wrote:Donnie isn't as stupid to sign Holiday. That is the perfect player for mediocrity. Rather give Curry/Yogi/Rookie time at the PG to develop.


Would you rather go into next season with Yogi as our best PG again? Because I sure don't. Holiday, Rubio, Lowry, or the 9th pick. One of those needs to be starting at the one next year or we are screwed


Yes! The Plan is to be as bad as possible next Season. Unless we Sign LeBron we aren't a Contender anyways.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#734 » by HotrodBeaubois » Thu May 25, 2017 1:07 am

daoneandonly wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
He's a good player, but the Mavs should have learned from Wes (and the benefit of not signing Parsons) that you don't give guys who are coming off a big injury or always injured big contracts.

So u want to let noel walk too then correct?


Fair point, but Noel brings a unique skill set and is still only 23, so i think ti's worth rolling the dice. Not so much with Jrue, there are guys in the draft who cna bring much of what he does, sure it will take time, but worth it considering age and contract. Now if no one falls to us and the pels would take Wes/Curry, sure, you do that all day, but the Pels GM knows that the brick layer Wes Matthews is one of the worst contracts in basketball, so the offer is DOA.


New Orleans doesnt want Curry they won't even come close to having enough money to pay Curry .

$64.6 Million in salaries 7 free agents including Cousins and Crawford surely Cousins cap hold has to be north of $20 Million so thats $84.6 Million plus $18.6 Million to Matthews so $103.2 Million without Crawford and Curry and thats $103.2 Million for just 8 players not including Crawford / Curry the best they could pay Curry would be the MLE which Dallas could also pay with Curry Early Bird Rights if he would take that small of a contract
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#735 » by HotrodBeaubois » Thu May 25, 2017 1:09 am

daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:
Yennefer wrote:Donnie isn't as stupid to sign Holiday. That is the perfect player for mediocrity. Rather give Curry/Yogi/Rookie time at the PG to develop.


Would you rather go into next season with Yogi as our best PG again? Because I sure don't. Holiday, Rubio, Lowry, or the 9th pick. One of those needs to be starting at the one next year or we are screwed


This is true, if I had my pick, it would be in this order of who I would want to see:

1. Dennis Smith Jr.

2. Ricky Rubio
3. Jrue Holiday
4. Frank Nkinnia






5. Kyle "Disappear in the Playoffs" Lowry

Glad you didn't mention Teague or Hill
No way I pay $25-$30 Million to a 31 year old Lowry for this team
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#736 » by JamesConway » Thu May 25, 2017 8:08 am

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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#737 » by dirkforpres » Thu May 25, 2017 12:03 pm

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Probably a smart move on his end. He's a mid to late first rounder this season, probably a solid lottery pick next season. He would be missing out on a lot of money by bypassing college ball
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#738 » by Pinkyring » Thu May 25, 2017 4:14 pm

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Probably a smart move on his end. He's a mid to late first rounder this season, probably a solid lottery pick next season. He would be missing out on a lot of money by bypassing college ball

No he wouldnt, if he mid first rounder then he starts making money a year earlier hits his second contract a year earlier etc etc
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#739 » by dirkforpres » Thu May 25, 2017 4:30 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
JamesConway wrote:
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Probably a smart move on his end. He's a mid to late first rounder this season, probably a solid lottery pick next season. He would be missing out on a lot of money by bypassing college ball

No he wouldnt, if he mid first rounder then he starts making money a year earlier hits his second contract a year earlier etc etc


Hypothetically, let's just assume he would be the 18th pick this year and the 8th pick next year. Seems like a likely scenario in my opinion.

That's an extra million per year he would miss out on per season, not to mention he needs the experience. As has been well documented, his game is very unpolished and relies heavily on athleticism. He will do well working under Coach Cal for a year and learning to work within a system.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft #9 

Post#740 » by 2011Champs » Thu May 25, 2017 5:52 pm

All I know is if we pick Roddy's brother Frank that I will throw up in my mouth, swallow, and then projectile vomit all over the place. I don't want to select a five year project player at #9. I want a player that can make the rotation from day one and be an impact starter by year three.

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