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Post#881 » by Blazinaway » Mon May 22, 2017 6:44 pm

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NASE wrote:Thoughts on Jordan Bell? I think he can carve out a Gorgui Dieng like career.


As a Kings fan I'd love to draft Jordan Bell at #34. Love the energy he plays with. Comparing to ex-Kings kind of a Reggie Evans/Quincy Acy type. Don't think he'll be the rebounder Evans was but an overall better player than both.


I think if Bell can demonstrate improving mid range/outside shooting in workouts he could move a good bit -perhaps low 20's. I remain intrigued by Jonah Bolden as well, and am interested to hear how some of his workouts go - is their a site that list players and scheduled workouts for teams?
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Post#882 » by Just_Bullz » Wed May 24, 2017 3:40 pm

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Just_Bullz wrote:Semi Ojeleye anyone? Tank like body with an offensive skill set like Jimmy Butler.

But he's 22 though.


after a good combine I am warming up to Semi again as his 42% 3 pt college shooting could allow him to play some SG, SF, and stretch 4 and guard all positions. I mean Leafs wingspan is 6"11, Semi's is 6'10 and he can jump a lot higher (tied for 5th at combine) than Leaf and many others and has more strength and quickness. In the new NBA "multi-taskers" like Semi and Jordan Bell are important components to have on a team, and Semi has shown he can shoot. Don't forget this guy had to sit out almost two trs of playing "team ball" and has a really nice first season back this last yr. I am surprised he gets so little buzz, yeah he's 22 but so what, he's also likely to contribute sooner than some of these guys who may take a few yrs at least. I think he could be a real nice stretch 4, and also have the ability to play and guard SF's and even SG's, you need guys with his kind of position flexibility in the new NBA, and he can do this at a chiseled 240 lbs! unreal


Perhaps a jimmy butler lite with better 3 point shot.
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Post#884 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Wed May 24, 2017 5:56 pm

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Blazinaway wrote:
Just_Bullz wrote:Semi Ojeleye anyone? Tank like body with an offensive skill set like Jimmy Butler.

But he's 22 though.


after a good combine I am warming up to Semi again as his 42% 3 pt college shooting could allow him to play some SG, SF, and stretch 4 and guard all positions. I mean Leafs wingspan is 6"11, Semi's is 6'10 and he can jump a lot higher (tied for 5th at combine) than Leaf and many others and has more strength and quickness. In the new NBA "multi-taskers" like Semi and Jordan Bell are important components to have on a team, and Semi has shown he can shoot. Don't forget this guy had to sit out almost two trs of playing "team ball" and has a really nice first season back this last yr. I am surprised he gets so little buzz, yeah he's 22 but so what, he's also likely to contribute sooner than some of these guys who may take a few yrs at least. I think he could be a real nice stretch 4, and also have the ability to play and guard SF's and even SG's, you need guys with his kind of position flexibility in the new NBA, and he can do this at a chiseled 240 lbs! unreal


Perhaps a jimmy butler lite with better 3 point shot.


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Post#885 » by CelticsPride18 » Wed May 24, 2017 8:08 pm

I don't follow the draft closely but I'm reading some articles and watching some videos on possible sleepers. Why is Cam Oliver being mocked so low in the 2nd round??? He's a great athlete, improving jump shot (37% from 3 this season), has the tools to be a rim protector and defend the pick and roll.
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Post#886 » by GimmeDat » Thu May 25, 2017 1:47 am

CelticsPride18 wrote:I don't follow the draft closely but I'm reading some articles and watching some videos on possible sleepers. Why is Cam Oliver being mocked so low in the 2nd round??? He's a great athlete, improving jump shot (37% from 3 this season), has the tools to be a rim protector and defend the pick and roll.


Firstly I'd say that it's a deep 2nd round with not a heap of difference between 30-50, compared to normal at least.

I do like Oliver, but IQ/awareness/decision making seems to be the thing holding him back. Deficient in all those areas. Tools are definitely there.
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Post#887 » by doordoor123 » Thu May 25, 2017 3:28 am

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CelticsPride18 wrote:I don't follow the draft closely but I'm reading some articles and watching some videos on possible sleepers. Why is Cam Oliver being mocked so low in the 2nd round??? He's a great athlete, improving jump shot (37% from 3 this season), has the tools to be a rim protector and defend the pick and roll.


Firstly I'd say that it's a deep 2nd round with not a heap of difference between 30-50, compared to normal at least.

I do like Oliver, but IQ/awareness/decision making seems to be the thing holding him back. Deficient in all those areas. Tools are definitely there.


His tools are even arguable. I've said this before, but I'm not sold on his athleticism or his ability to be a shot blocker at the next level.
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Post#888 » by Rockmaninoff » Tue May 30, 2017 1:30 am

Derek Willis could be a good UDFA. Inexpensive stretch 4 potential.

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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#889 » by mirakema » Tue May 30, 2017 2:54 pm

I don't understand why Sterling Brown isn't getting more first round consideration. He has great size and length. Fantastic shooter and defender. Perfect low usage 3 and D guy. What am I missing?
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Post#890 » by No-Man » Tue May 30, 2017 3:08 pm

mirakema wrote:I don't understand why Sterling Brown isn't getting more first round consideration. He has great size and length. Fantastic shooter and defender. Perfect low usage 3 and D guy. What am I missing?

He is only avg on D and isnt all that athletic but I agree def should warrant late 1st consideration
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Post#891 » by doordoor123 » Tue May 30, 2017 3:41 pm

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mirakema wrote:I don't understand why Sterling Brown isn't getting more first round consideration. He has great size and length. Fantastic shooter and defender. Perfect low usage 3 and D guy. What am I missing?

He is only avg on D and isnt all that athletic but I agree def should warrant late 1st consideration


He was also pretty streaky.
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Post#892 » by NoZoLakers » Tue May 30, 2017 6:06 pm

Blazinaway wrote:
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:
NASE wrote:Thoughts on Jordan Bell? I think he can carve out a Gorgui Dieng like career.


As a Kings fan I'd love to draft Jordan Bell at #34. Love the energy he plays with. Comparing to ex-Kings kind of a Reggie Evans/Quincy Acy type. Don't think he'll be the rebounder Evans was but an overall better player than both.


I think if Bell can demonstrate improving mid range/outside shooting in workouts he could move a good bit -perhaps low 20's. I remain intrigued by Jonah Bolden as well, and am interested to hear how some of his workouts go - is their a site that list players and scheduled workouts for teams?

saw his workout video for Lakers, was doing 3pt shot drills full court, surprisingly he hit more 3pt shots than guys like Bacon n Alford
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#893 » by EvanZ » Tue May 30, 2017 9:26 pm

I'm on board the Cam Oliver train.
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Post#894 » by LloydFree » Wed May 31, 2017 2:27 pm

I have no doubt that Jordan Bell, Juwan Evans and Tyler Lydon will be better NBA players than half the currently projected lottery players. Wouldn't be surprised if Jonathan Motley and PJ Dozier turned out better also.
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Post#895 » by EvanZ » Wed May 31, 2017 6:04 pm

LloydFree wrote:I have no doubt that Jordan Bell, Juwan Evans and Tyler Lydon will be better NBA players than half the currently projected lottery players. Wouldn't be surprised if Jonathan Motley and PJ Dozier turned out better also.


Juwan a bet? :lol:
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Post#896 » by NoZoLakers » Wed May 31, 2017 8:17 pm

mirakema wrote:I don't understand why Sterling Brown isn't getting more first round consideration. He has great size and length. Fantastic shooter and defender. Perfect low usage 3 and D guy. What am I missing?

what are his measurements like?
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Post#897 » by doordoor123 » Wed May 31, 2017 8:35 pm

LloydFree wrote:I have no doubt that Jordan Bell, Juwan Evans and Tyler Lydon will be better NBA players than half the currently projected lottery players. Wouldn't be surprised if Jonathan Motley and PJ Dozier turned out better also.


I love Dozier's potential, but he's a shooting guard that can't shoot. His handle isn't strong enough and neither is his passing to be a NBA point. He also isn't explosive.

However, IF he can figure out what position he is, he's a great defender, he's really fluid and he has a great body. I question if a guy like Kobi Simmons should be considered before Dozier because he's younger and has more upside. I really just think Dozier has a long road ahead of him.
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Post#898 » by doordoor123 » Wed May 31, 2017 8:39 pm

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mirakema wrote:I don't understand why Sterling Brown isn't getting more first round consideration. He has great size and length. Fantastic shooter and defender. Perfect low usage 3 and D guy. What am I missing?

what are his measurements like?


He's 6'6 with almost a 6'10 wingspan. But here's my issue with him: We've seen a lot of guys with good measurements that aren't great defenders and don't shoot that well. He's also 23 years old and isn't athletic. These guys don't make the league usually. He doesn't have one thing that he does well or that you can point to and say "that will translate." He's not the kind of scorer Sean Kilpatrick was, etc. For him to make it in the league he has to either prove he's a really good defender or that he can score a lot of buckets.

I personally like him, but I can't see him in the league.
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Post#899 » by RipCity71252 » Fri Jun 2, 2017 7:06 am

I've researched the hell out of this draft and there is a distinct lack of starter potential outside the lottery imo.

Jawun Evans, P.J. Dozier and Frank Jackson are my highest upside non-lottery guys w/ Kadeem Allen as my sleeper plus role player.
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Post#900 » by No-Man » Fri Jun 2, 2017 7:38 am

RipCity71252 wrote:I've researched the hell out of this draft and there is a distinct lack of starter potential outside the lottery imo.

Jawun Evans, P.J. Dozier and Frank Jackson are my highest upside non-lottery guys w/ Kadeem Allen as my sleeper plus role player.


I like Allen as he has fared great against the best talent on defense, but the issue with him is that he has to play as a wing on offense, needs like the perfect fit almost and is kind of old, still in the 2nd or as a bet as an undrafted I am fine with him.

The most slept on prospect is by far Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot

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