Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

OAKLEY_2 · Post #841 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:26 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:My top 5 as of now is

1. Anunoby
2. Bolden
3. Ojeleye
4. Jeanne
5. Thornwell

Still love Thornwell. He could go undrafted...

1. Leaf
2. Bam
3. Ferguson
4. Semi
5. Hartenstein
5a. Thornwell

HeadtopChunes · Post #842 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:26 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Well in regards to Bolden you have to keep in mind a couple things :

1. He may not have been developed as well when he first entered. If I'm not mistaken he started playing basketball a little bit later so therefore was also not as highly touted coming out of HS. But it's important that his skill base likely isn't anywhere near what it is today so he couldn't be used to do the same things on the court that he can now which plays into the next point

2. The system himself and Norm played in isn't the same one Leaf and more importantly Ball played in. The system is pretty much designed around Ball and the general idea was to create a roster much like top NBA teams : 1 dynamic playmaker, surrounded by shooters (Leaf being one of many) and rebounder/shotblocker (Anigbogu). UCLA was not constructed the same way back then n Bolden wasn't the same level of skill. The result is playing him out of character and looking underwhelming

Semi was behind Jabari Parker and Rodney Hood as a freshman. Then as a sophomore Justice Winslow was beast and Duke had a lot of guards. He could turn out to be a better shooter than Winslow with less defense.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2017-semi-ojeleye-scouting-report-combine-smu-duke-basketball-first-round-prospects/15lctixt4z6471iaxhk0bklxob

“We really emphasize player development,” assistant Jay Duncan said. “And with Semi, it was easy. His work ethic is second to none. He just lives in the gym. You can’t stress that enough. How much time the kid puts into perfecting his craft is crazy. We’d get back at something like 2 a.m. from a road game, and he’d be in the gym getting shots either after the game or first thing in the morning.”

He doesn't get the defensive stats but he shows good movement to play positional defense. There's a nice clip in the link.

I thought him against that rail thin big - number 0 was an insane mismatch. I hope we are not all over Semi as a "will-guard-Lebron" solution. He might be a very decent pick at 23 as a cheap Tucker replacement. He certainly should be in a top four at 23 conversation.

If anyone is expecting him to gaurd LeBron is gonna be dissapointed lol. Although I expect him to gaurd the Batums and Crowders of the league just fine. The LeBrons and Durant's he has no chance

Post #843 » by **DG88** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:27 pm

Double Helix wrote:*SLEEPER ALERT*

Atlanta Timekeeper provided me with the tip on Bolden. After watching this video I'm convinced Bolden is mocked way too low and that after workouts and interviews he will become a late first round pick. He does some Otto Porter stuff in this video and the Adriatic league is a good league that's put out a ton of quality lately. Guys with his length and athleticism and 3 point shooting ability and rebounding ability and net protection are highly coveted as role players and paid a lot on the open market.

Watch on YouTube

Seems like he's had a moment of clarity and that he's coachable.

Watch on YouTube

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Sorry Semi, Jonah's my man crush now.

HeadtopChunes · Post #844 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:27 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:My top 5 as of now is

1. Anunoby
2. Bolden
3. Ojeleye
4. Jeanne
5. Thornwell

Still love Thornwell. He could go undrafted...

1. Leaf
2. Bam
3. Ferguson
4. Semi
5. Hartenstein
5a. Thornwell

Thornwell is the next Wes Matthews. He's gonna be a great defender in the next level. If he can get that 3 going he'll have a long career

OAKLEY_2 · Post #845 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:30 pm

Well maybe Weltman gives us their two second round picks for Cory (pumpfist gif).

OAKLEY_2 · Post #846 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:32 pm

Good on Bolden to play in the Adriatic...

HeadtopChunes · Post #847 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:34 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:Well maybe Weltman gives us their two second round picks for Cory (pumpfist gif).

Cojo or Delon for 2 2nds from the 76ers is the dream. Or Cojo+Caroll for king's 2nd rounder.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #848 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:42 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Well maybe Weltman gives us their two second round picks for Cory (pumpfist gif).

Cojo or Delon for 2 2nds from the 76ers is the dream. Or Cojo+Caroll for king's 2nd rounder.

Count me in but am still a huge Delon booster. Would rather dispense the more expensive Cory.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #849 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed May 24, 2017 9:43 pm

It's official, Swanigan is staying in the NBA Draft, and he's automatically atop my board if the Raps stay at 23 (or trade down lower).

Purdue's Caleb Swanigan is staying in the NBA Draft, source told ESPN. I had one GM tell me they think he is most underrated guy in draft.

-Jeff Goodman, ESPN Insider

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0659146163022206416-4

OAKLEY_2 · Post #850 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Wed May 24, 2017 10:09 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Well maybe Weltman gives us their two second round picks for Cory (pumpfist gif).

Cojo or Delon for 2 2nds from the 76ers is the dream. Or Cojo+Caroll for king's 2nd rounder.

Masai said it will be easy to deal with Weltman. Deal. No deal. Best to the wife.

Psubs · Post #851 » by **Psubs** » Wed May 24, 2017 10:22 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Well maybe Weltman gives us their two second round picks for Cory (pumpfist gif).

Cojo or Delon for 2 2nds from the 76ers is the dream. Or Cojo+Caroll for king's 2nd rounder.

Count me in but am still a huge Delon booster. Would rather dispense the more expensive Cory.

Yup, Delon has better defensive potential and is a better playmaker.

TNRaps4life · Post #852 » by **TNRaps4life** » Wed May 24, 2017 10:47 pm

DG88 wrote:
Double Helix wrote:*SLEEPER ALERT*

Atlanta Timekeeper provided me with the tip on Bolden. After watching this video I'm convinced Bolden is mocked way too low and that after workouts and interviews he will become a late first round pick. He does some Otto Porter stuff in this video and the Adriatic league is a good league that's put out a ton of quality lately. Guys with his length and athleticism and 3 point shooting ability and rebounding ability and net protection are highly coveted as role players and paid a lot on the open market.

Watch on YouTube

Seems like he's had a moment of clarity and that he's coachable.

Watch on YouTube

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Sorry Semi, Jonah's my man crush now.

Has he worked out for the Raptors?

Mikistan · Post #853 » by **Mikistan** » Wed May 24, 2017 10:54 pm

TNRaps4life wrote:
DG88 wrote:
Double Helix wrote:*SLEEPER ALERT*

Atlanta Timekeeper provided me with the tip on Bolden. After watching this video I'm convinced Bolden is mocked way too low and that after workouts and interviews he will become a late first round pick. He does some Otto Porter stuff in this video and the Adriatic league is a good league that's put out a ton of quality lately. Guys with his length and athleticism and 3 point shooting ability and rebounding ability and net protection are highly coveted as role players and paid a lot on the open market.

Watch on YouTube

Seems like he's had a moment of clarity and that he's coachable.

Watch on YouTube

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Sorry Semi, Jonah's my man crush now.

Has he worked out for the Raptors?

I believe his team is currently still in their season and playing games - it would be from previous visits and scouting id imagine

Mikistan · Post #854 » by **Mikistan** » Wed May 24, 2017 10:57 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:It's official, Swanigan is staying in the NBA Draft, and he's automatically atop my board if the Raps stay at 23 (or trade down lower).

Purdue's Caleb Swanigan is staying in the NBA Draft, source told ESPN. I had one GM tell me they think he is most underrated guy in draft.

-Jeff Goodman, ESPN Insider

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0659146163022206416-4

The rebounding, 3pt percentage (on 2.4 attempts per game tho), shooting% is nice

but it was on 28% usage in 32 college minutes to produce 18.5 points, and he only had 0.4 steals and 0.8 blocks per game which doesnt usually bode well at the next level, all the better players had big hustle stats in college to translate

i will watch some tape though before i finalize, those rebound numbers, and a 3 assist per game (caveated by usage again) is a nice addition to our team we need big passing

LonZoBallin · Post #855 » by **LonZoBallin** » Thu May 25, 2017 12:41 am

I said to trade JV last draft....now we can't even get half as much value for him

I said to trade Lowry last summer....now he is going to walk for nothing or we will sign him to a bad contract

Listen when I say, do whatever it takes to draft Dennis Smith JR!!

Psubs · Post #856 » by **Psubs** » Thu May 25, 2017 12:49 am

Mikistan wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:It's official, Swanigan is staying in the NBA Draft, and he's automatically atop my board if the Raps stay at 23 (or trade down lower).

Purdue's Caleb Swanigan is staying in the NBA Draft, source told ESPN. I had one GM tell me they think he is most underrated guy in draft.

-Jeff Goodman, ESPN Insider

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0659146163022206416-4

The rebounding, 3pt percentage (on 2.4 attempts per game tho), shooting% is nice

but it was on 28% usage in 32 college minutes to produce 18.5 points, and he only had 0.4 steals and 0.8 blocks per game which doesnt usually bode well at the next level, all the better players had big hustle stats in college to translate

i will watch some tape though before i finalize, those rebound numbers, and a 3 assist per game (caveated by usage again) is a nice addition to our team we need big passing

At best he's Elton Brand, but will that work in today's NBA? Look at Jahlil Okafor who was a beast at Duke.

Post #857 » by **Double Helix** » Thu May 25, 2017 1:00 am

I think there's every reason to believe Bolden's range will continue to improve. 38% from the 3 on more than 2 makes per game and if I'm not mistaken the Adriatic league is closer to the NBA 3, if not identical, whereas obviously the NCAA is not.

He shoots from way beyond the arch on some of these.

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HeadtopChunes · Post #858 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Thu May 25, 2017 1:11 am

Double Helix wrote:I think there's every reason to believe Bolden's range will continue to improve. 38% from the 3 on more than 2 makes per game and if I'm not mistaken the Adriatic league is closer to the NBA 3, if not identical, whereas obviously the NCAA is not.

He shoots from way beyond the arch on some of these.

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His shooting looks good but his free throw stats are bad. 60%. Hopefully his shooting translates. If we can grab him

MavCarter · Post #859 » by **MavCarter** » Thu May 25, 2017 2:13 am

Any news on diallo?

Volcano · Post #860 » by **Volcano** » Thu May 25, 2017 2:16 am

I'm fine with drafting Bolden, but my first instincts about him are a bit wary. Feels like he's the type that would have a lot of success in Euroleagues, but struggle more (not bust though) in the NBA.

In terms of Semi's defense, if we draft him, I guess we should be hoping for an MKG type of defender where the stocks aren't truly representative of his defensive value.