Summary of Bad moves while Hammond "GM"

[BroncoBuck]

Trading for Richard Jefferson and taking on his huge contract right after taking over

Seems odd to have this listed under bad moves. Bobby Simmons was possibly the worst contract in the league and we dumped him and the Chair Master for a good player in Jefferson. Heck, we even flipped Jefferson for some vets and Delfino. I actually liked Kurt Thomas during his time here in Milwaukee, he did an admirable job stepping up for the team when Bogut's career was ruined in the playoffs.

[KidA24]

Livingston, Brockman, then throwing in Leuer for no reason to acquire the immortal Samuel Dalembert

[Eazy E]

Can people stop talking about Isaiah Thomas like that was a bad decision? It was the LAST pick in the 2ND ROUND. That's a throwaway pick 49/50 times. Also, the pick was conveyed a year later. So, basically any pick traded in that draft that didn't churn out a 2nd team All-NBA player should be considered a failure because "they could've had IT".

[Kerb Hohl]

Trading for Richard Jefferson and taking on his huge contract right after taking over

Seems odd to have this listed under bad moves. Bobby Simmons was possibly the worst contract in the league and we dumped him and the Chair Master for a good player in Jefferson. Heck, we even flipped Jefferson for some vets and Delfino. I actually liked Kurt Thomas during his time here in Milwaukee, he did an admirable job stepping up for the team when Bogut's career was ruined in the playoffs.

I think the issue is that we boxed ourselves into a capped-out salary for 2 more years and chose not to tank. They could have found different ways to dump Simmons or let him expire, and instead they turned 2 players of $~12 million dollars into 1 $~12 million dollar player and boxed themselves into 8-seed contention with little room to improve.

[M-C-G]

Ummmmm........taking Michael Carter ****ing Williams over the Lakers pick?

People must have blocked that out of their heads it was so terrible.

I think everyone knows that was soooooooo Kidd, it doesn't make a ton of sense to even bring up.

OK. So we are open to conjecture then.

"bad move made while Hammond was GM".

For the record, I agree that that was probably Kidd. Along with Vasquez. But I also don't think it matters. His name is on the door.

I don't disagree and I'm not out here saying getting rid of Hammond was a mistake. I'm ready for a new GM, but I can't disregard Kidd's fingerprints are so obviously all over some of these moves (MCW and Vasquez more than anything)

[BroncoBuck]

Trading for Richard Jefferson and taking on his huge contract right after taking over

Seems odd to have this listed under bad moves. Bobby Simmons was possibly the worst contract in the league and we dumped him and the Chair Master for a good player in Jefferson. Heck, we even flipped Jefferson for some vets and Delfino. I actually liked Kurt Thomas during his time here in Milwaukee, he did an admirable job stepping up for the team when Bogut's career was ruined in the playoffs.

I think the issue is that we boxed ourselves into a capped-out salary for 2 more years and chose not to tank. They could have found different ways to dump Simmons or let him expire, and instead they turned 2 players of $~12 million dollars into 1 $~12 million dollar player and boxed themselves into 8-seed contention with little room to improve.

Bobby Simmons was being paid $11 mil a year. The cost of moving a bad contract like that at the time was 2 first round picks.

[BMatt07]

All of Hammond's moves as Bucks GM..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/hammojo99x.html

[Kerb Hohl]

Seems odd to have this listed under bad moves. Bobby Simmons was possibly the worst contract in the league and we dumped him and the Chair Master for a good player in Jefferson. Heck, we even flipped Jefferson for some vets and Delfino. I actually liked Kurt Thomas during his time here in Milwaukee, he did an admirable job stepping up for the team when Bogut's career was ruined in the playoffs.

I think the issue is that we boxed ourselves into a capped-out salary for 2 more years and chose not to tank. They could have found different ways to dump Simmons or let him expire, and instead they turned 2 players of $~12 million dollars into 1 $~12 million dollar player and boxed themselves into 8-seed contention with little room to improve.

Bobby Simmons was being paid $11 mil a year. The cost of moving a bad contract like that at the time was 2 first round picks.

Yeah, so let it expire or trade it for a hodge-podge of players to effectively cut it to a 1-year deal. I was one of the vocal people on here when he made that move that he had soured his tenure immediately. I realize Kohl may have had plenty to do with it, but he was given a mediocre roster that was about to mostly expire and he said, "let's shoot for the 8 seed and cap ourselves out so we can't add anything." It was horrible. They'd have been better off paying Bobby Simmons $11 million dollars to not play and just tank.

[DanoMac]

Hambone bad move:

Giving out his business card to random fans and expecting them not to abuse it on draft night.

Sorry for drafting Doron Lamb, guys

[blazza18]

Livingston, Brockman, then throwing in Leuer for no reason to acquire the immortal Samuel Dalembert

Remember when he scored 40 a day or two before the deadline and we all thought he could be moved and then he wasn't.

[BroncoBuck]

I think the issue is that we boxed ourselves into a capped-out salary for 2 more years and chose not to tank. They could have found different ways to dump Simmons or let him expire, and instead they turned 2 players of $~12 million dollars into 1 $~12 million dollar player and boxed themselves into 8-seed contention with little room to improve.

Bobby Simmons was being paid $11 mil a year. The cost of moving a bad contract like that at the time was 2 first round picks.

Yeah, so let it expire or trade it for a hodge-podge of players to effectively cut it to a 1-year deal. I was one of the vocal people on here when he made that move that he had soured his tenure immediately. I realize Kohl may have had plenty to do with it, but he was given a mediocre roster that was about to mostly expire and he said, "let's shoot for the 8 seed and cap ourselves out so we can't add anything." It was horrible. They'd have been better off paying Bobby Simmons $11 million dollars to not play and just tank.

Your take doesn't make sense. Let it expire? He didn't have 1 year left, he had two. We traded him for RJ. We then traded RJ after 1 year for Delfino and Kurt Thomas (minimal contracts). The Nets paid Simmons 22 million and he average like 5 points a game and racked up DNP's for those 2 years. It's probably one of the better trades any team has made in getting out of a terrible contract. Simmons deal was viewed as top 10 worst in league history.

[Baddy Chuck]

Trading for Richard Jefferson and taking on his huge contract right after taking over

Seems odd to have this listed under bad moves. Bobby Simmons was possibly the worst contract in the league and we dumped him and the Chair Master for a good player in Jefferson. Heck, we even flipped Jefferson for some vets and Delfino. I actually liked Kurt Thomas during his time here in Milwaukee, he did an admirable job stepping up for the team when Bogut's career was ruined in the playoffs.

I think you're really underplaying the value the Yi asset had at the time. You keep talking about how atrocious the Bobby Simmons deal was, and you're right, but we got an "all-star" player at the time for that asset and dumped that atrocious deal.

[paulpressey25]

You guys need to remember that Richard Jefferson was owed 3/$51 at the time and no one wanted that contract. The Nets made that deal as partly THEIR salary dump since Bobby's deal would expire in 2010 allowing the Nets to participate in FA.

But in doing so put the Bucks in cap hell and six months later they had no flexibility to resign Ramon or CV.

[Baddy Chuck]

But in doing so put the Bucks in cap hell and six months later they had no flexibility to resign Ramon or CV.

That lack of cap flexibility by all reports was their own doing not moving him to someone like Cleveland or Portland at the deadline. Jefferson was movable, he wasn't a boat anchor.

[worthlessBucks]

Aside from all the obvious bad stuff, it was the little things like outbidding yourself for the services of 3rd string PG Tyronn Lue that put him in a special category of frustration throughout these 9 years. Definite funny bonus points for somehow receiving praise from the low IQ radio callers "for cleaning out garbage from Larry Harris" despite the moves being reference coming directly from John Hammond's tenure. Fun times.

[Thunder Muscle]

Probably most Kohl, but how about Sessions and Joe Alexander for Mike Conley?

I thought I saw an article a couple weeks ago that Marc Gasol more or less told the Grizzlies to not do that, or he had a big influence in MEMPHIS backing out.

For me, that summer after FTD was rough. Particularly Gooden and Maggette which resulted getting rid of some glue guys like Kurt Thomas and Stack. Salmons I'll give a pass on as he was excellent in that FTD season and you would've hoped he would've took pride in his play.

The SJAX deal was atrocious. That was a mistake from Day 1 from all aspects.

I don't know, I bought the hype of Joe Alexander for awhile. I just thought it was a silly pick a day after trading for RJ. And in the end both moves flopped.

[gbmb34]

Probably most Kohl, but how about Sessions and Joe Alexander for Mike Conley?

I thought I saw an article a couple weeks ago that Marc Gasol more or less told the Grizzlies to not do that, or he had a big influence in MEMPHIS backing out.

For me, that summer after FTD was rough. Particularly Gooden and Maggette which resulted getting rid of some glue guys like Kurt Thomas and Stack. Salmons I'll give a pass on as he was excellent in that FTD season and you would've hoped he would've took pride in his play.

The SJAX deal was atrocious. That was a mistake from Day 1 from all aspects.

I don't know, I bought the hype of Joe Alexander for awhile. I just thought it was a silly pick a day after trading for RJ. And in the end both moves flopped.

Yeah I was reminded of it because Zach Lowe had Conley on the podcast and asked him about it. You probably read a summary of it or something similar.

[Kerb Hohl]

But in doing so put the Bucks in cap hell and six months later they had no flexibility to resign Ramon or CV.

That lack of cap flexibility by all reports was their own doing not moving him to someone like Cleveland or Portland at the deadline. Jefferson was movable, he wasn't a boat anchor.

Sure, but they put themselves in position to need to move him. It was painfully obvious that they were going to be shooting for the 8-seed, had zero room to do anything beyond what they had, and it wasn't going to work out. Why bother even trying for that?

[Fotis St]

1.Henson the extension
2.Inglis
3.Not being able to find a decent D League player or undrafted.
4. Not making any trade to acquire players on the move from other teams. Not opportunistic

[M-C-G]

1.Henson the extension
2.Inglis
3.Not being able to find a decent D League player or undrafted.
4. Not making any trade to acquire players on the move from other teams. Not opportunistic

Missing on a second round pick? Seems like petty nitpicking to me


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