Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[24istheLAW]

If Hayward comes (we say that a lot), I feel Bradley may be the one to go unfortunately. Crowders contract is just too good.

I would love to see a deal around Avery for Richaun Holmes and a pick. Bradley compliments Simmons so well and Holmes is exactly what we need in the front court and is still cheap and young.

Before the season I was stumping for Richaun Holmes! He reminds me of prime Amir, really mobile, can protect the rim, and has a feel for rolling to the basket. But now that the 76ers frontcourt logjam has largely resolved itself (Noel traded for scraps, Okafor getting passed by Holmes on the depth chart, Embiid being perpetually hurt), and Holmes has had a strong year, I think the window has passed.

Interesting. If we missed on free agents, Dieng/MIN '17 (Tatum?) would be a decent, like, Plan...Q.

You're not getting MIN '17 AND a cost-controlled two-way upgrade at C. That's crazy. If you were that would be much higher than plan Q.

Bottom line - you do not have a frontcourt for 2017. Hayward doesn't address that. Thomas and Hayward on the floor together would be a sieve. You're going to compete with Cleveland now by having two late pick rookies from overseas behind them?

If you trade for Hayward, it is to replace Isaiah Thomas in the salary structure. So when does the other shoe drop? Can you play one season with a disgruntled IT? Part of the reason Phoenix traded him, was because he wasn't happy coming off the bench behind inferior players.

IMO Celtics fans are getting too strongly wrapped up in the fireworks of giving a max to Hayward, without thinking critically of whether or not Boston can be a better T-E-A-M after accounting for roster construction. To balance out this hypothetical Horford-Hayward led roster, there's going to have to be a lot of good players moved off this team.

The Celts are drafting a scorer who can run with IT in 2017. They drafted an ultra-talented wing last year. Use your capspace on the players you have (K.O.), or to absorb cost-controlled upgrades that have more value to you than anyone else like Dieng.

Ainge hasn't made moves for the sake of fireworks yet, and I don't think he's about to start now.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Most will hate this idea, but absorbing Deng and Mozgov's contracts in return for the Second Pick.
Zeller and perhaps another Celtics or two would have to be included.
Celtics give up their beloved Cap Space and Free Agent dreams,
but having the First Two Picks in the Draft seems an interesting proposition...

[benjaminbuttonz]

Most will hate this idea, but absorbing Deng and Mozgov's contracts in return for the Second Pick.
Zeller and perhaps another Celtics or two would have to be included.
Celtics give up their beloved Cap Space and Free Agent dreams,
but having the First Two Picks in the Draft seems an interesting proposition...

Lakers are not giving up the 2nd pick to make cap space lol, they don't have a pick next year. Why would Paul George go there?

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Most will hate this idea, but absorbing Deng and Mozgov's contracts in return for the Second Pick.
Zeller and perhaps another Celtics or two would have to be included.
Celtics give up their beloved Cap Space and Free Agent dreams,
but having the First Two Picks in the Draft seems an interesting proposition...

Lakers are not giving up the 2nd pick to make cap space lol, they don't have a pick next year. Why would Paul George go there?

Players love LA, many songs about the town, nightlife, celebs, beaches, Iranians... can't go wrong...

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Most will hate this idea, but absorbing Deng and Mozgov's contracts in return for the Second Pick.
Zeller and perhaps another Celtics or two would have to be included.
Celtics give up their beloved Cap Space and Free Agent dreams,
but having the First Two Picks in the Draft seems an interesting proposition...

Lakers are not giving up the 2nd pick to make cap space lol, they don't have a pick next year. Why would Paul George go there?

Maybe George would rather not win a championship in LA rather than Indiana? If you're not winning a title anyway why not play 5 years in a city you want to be in?

[Slartibartfast]

Love how I finally finished this post and the other thread was locked.

My list of trade targets right now:

1. Gorgui Dieng
2. Gorgui Dieng
3. Gorgui Dieng

He's on a team with a franchise center, who need defense, spacing, and toughness on the perimeter. Sound like something we have to offer?

He's 27 and owed $62M over the next 4 years. He's not a true rim protector. He is "low upside".

Meanwhile, he's smart and mobile, grabs D-boards, has a standstill 3, and can move off the ball. He does all the little things, the dirty work. +/- suggests he might be Minnesota's best player.

I think he's still improving. IMO he's on that Avery Bradley keep-getting-better track.

His shooting mechanics look very good. He shot .372 from distance this year, and I think he can improve on that. He's shot .434 from 16ft-3 both of the last two seasons so it's not too surprising. He's also shot over 80% from the line both of the last two seasons.

Maybe he has more value than I'm giving him credit for on the trade market. But if the Celts want to improve this team now, with an eye toward the post-LeBron NBA, it would make a ton of sense to add him instead of a "star" whose fit is less clear.

Unfortunately Gorgui is a total lightweight. Gets pushed around by most big men. A nice player but too much like what we already have 2-5. Undersized, understrong and not dynamic or skilled enough to make up for it.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Can you add a player under contract to a sign and trade guy? Something like AB and Olynyk resigned for Andre Drummond? Dude seems like he would be a nice guy to have when playing Tristan Thompson and the Cavs.

Thomas, Hayward, Brown, Horford, Drummond with Fultz, Smart, Nader, Jonas and Zizic. Wouldn't be the worst offseason ever.

[Gomes3PC]

Yeah I'll pass on Gorgui at what he makes. Nice backup big but when push comes to shove, he gets shoved too much to ever play in crunch time.

One guy I like as a backup big option is Aron Baynes. He's rugged, a smart team player, good defender and rebounder, and has the beef to throw at a guy like Tristan Thompson when you are getting outmuscled.

Kosta Koufos also falls into that bucket, though I think I like Baynes more as I think he's got a bit more mobility and offensive touch than Koufos.

Another one to watch is Willie Reed. He'll probably get a deal too big for us to compete for, but he's super active, protects the rim well, rebounds, and finishes inside at a high rate. Per-36 average this year of 13.1-11.6-1.6 with a 17 PER and .168 WS/48. He also always seemed to be a pain in the butt to play against when we faced Miami.

EDIT - one interesting wrinkle for Baynes - he's an 81% career FT shooter and has averaged 43% on shots from 16+ feet. I think he could be a guy like Luis Scola or Chris Bosh or Marc Gasol who could extend into a reasonable 3 point shooter if given the chance.

[Celts17Pride]

The LA Clippers situation is going to be an interesting one to watch this off-season. It's already a forgone conclusion that JJ Redick will be leaving the LA Clippers in free agency. What if Chris Paul leaves for San Antonio? Does this make it more or less likely that Blake Griffin leaves the LAC Clippers?

I think the Celtics might have a better chance at Blake Griffin than Gordon Hayward.

[Darthlukey]

Most will hate this idea, but absorbing Deng and Mozgov's contracts in return for the Second Pick.
Zeller and perhaps another Celtics or two would have to be included.
Celtics give up their beloved Cap Space and Free Agent dreams,
but having the First Two Picks in the Draft seems an interesting proposition...

If the celts were to try and pursue this course of action (and im not saying they should) why not blow it up properly. Trade IT, Bradley and horford (hopefully to a team of his preference) and get some picks and tank our pick next year all the way into the lottery.

If we don't try to improve in the short term, even if incrementally, then we could sure as hell improve for the long term

[Darthlukey]

The LA Clippers situation is going to be an interesting one to watch this off-season. It's already a forgone conclusion that JJ Redick will be leaving the LA Clippers in free agency. What if Chris Paul leaves for San Antonio? Does this make it more or less likely that Blake Griffin leaves the LAC Clippers?

I think the Celtics might have a better chance at Blake Griffin than Gordon Hayward.

If the clips keep Paul and Griffin but lose Reddick, surely they would be pretty keen on a trade for Bradley. Not sure what is in it for us though, perhaps an unprotected 1st round pick in 5 years time when they are old and crap? Maybe also removing the protection from their current pick they owe us too

[Darthlukey]

The LA Clippers situation is going to be an interesting one to watch this off-season. It's already a forgone conclusion that JJ Redick will be leaving the LA Clippers in free agency. What if Chris Paul leaves for San Antonio? Does this make it more or less likely that Blake Griffin leaves the LAC Clippers?

I think the Celtics might have a better chance at Blake Griffin than Gordon Hayward.

If the clips keep Paul and Griffin but lose Reddick, surely they would be pretty keen on a trade for Bradley. Not sure what is in it for us though, perhaps an unprotected 1st round pick in 5 years time when they are old and crap? Maybe also removing the protection from their current pick they owe us too

They would probably like crowder too

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Most will hate this idea, but absorbing Deng and Mozgov's contracts in return for the Second Pick.
Zeller and perhaps another Celtics or two would have to be included.
Celtics give up their beloved Cap Space and Free Agent dreams,
but having the First Two Picks in the Draft seems an interesting proposition...

If the celts were to try and pursue this course of action (and im not saying they should) why not blow it up properly. Trade IT, Bradley and horford (hopefully to a team of his preference) and get some picks and tank our pick next year all the way into the lottery.

If we don't try to improve in the short term, even if incrementally, then we could sure as hell improve for the long term

You are probably right, since accepting such huge contracts, it would likely be beneficial to send away Horford and IT/Bradley,
whomever else was due for a Big Extension, not that the Lakers would ever do this - can you imagine how haunted
they would be if the player the Celtics drafted with their pick was a multi-year All Star - I just wanted to throw it out since
no one else had mentioned the possibility.

Ingram is untouchable, Magic says, fine by me: I am intrigued over what it would take to get that Lakers 2nd pick and Russell?
Boston 1st Pick and?

[benjaminbuttonz]

Most will hate this idea, but absorbing Deng and Mozgov's contracts in return for the Second Pick.
Zeller and perhaps another Celtics or two would have to be included.
Celtics give up their beloved Cap Space and Free Agent dreams,
but having the First Two Picks in the Draft seems an interesting proposition...

Lakers are not giving up the 2nd pick to make cap space lol, they don't have a pick next year. Why would Paul George go there?

Maybe George would rather not win a championship in LA rather than Indiana? If you're not winning a title anyway why not play 5 years in a city you want to be in?

Not my point. Paul George wants to go to LA, but a good way to make him reconsider would be to trade away the 2nd pick in this years draft.

[jmr07019]

Any way we could turn Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Yabs, Zizic, Rozier, Memphis pick, Boston 18 into George? The idea is we would have enough cap room to sign Hayward while holding onto IT, Horford, Brown, Fultz, Brooklyn 18.

George has 1 year remaining and can kill any trade by saying he won't resign. A dream scenario a 7 man core of IT Fultz Brown Hayward George Horford Brooklyn 18 would be amazing.

[Darth Celtic]

Any way we could turn Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Yabs, Zizic, Rozier, Memphis pick, Boston 18 into George? The idea is we would have enough cap room to sign Hayward while holding onto IT, Horford, Brown, Fultz, Brooklyn 18.

George has 1 year remaining and can kill any trade by saying he won't resign. A dream scenario a 7 man core of IT Fultz Brown Hayward George Horford Brooklyn 18 would be amazing.

I hope you mean a combo of the above players for PG13, not all of that.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Trade Rozier for a later first rounder, draft Anzejs Pasecniks.

Anzejs Pasecniks is like a Latvian Kristaps Porzingis.

Rozier has his money off the salary cap, Anzejs Pasecniks doesn't count on cap as he may want a couple more years in Europe.

Portland could be good for Rozier. They have three first rounders, could use an athletic backup at point guard.

Thomas, Fultz, Smart, D Jackson, the Celtics do have point guard depth.

If Celtics get pick 20, and Anzejs Pasecniks agreeing to stay in Europe, it would work well.

[jmr07019]

Any way we could turn Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Yabs, Zizic, Rozier, Memphis pick, Boston 18 into George? The idea is we would have enough cap room to sign Hayward while holding onto IT, Horford, Brown, Fultz, Brooklyn 18.

George has 1 year remaining and can kill any trade by saying he won't resign. A dream scenario a 7 man core of IT Fultz Brown Hayward George Horford Brooklyn 18 would be amazing.

I hope you mean a combo of the above players for PG13, not all of that.

If I can get the 7 man core I stated above I don't care about the other players in the trade. Can't afford to pay anyone else anyways. I'm not sure Indy does the trade even for all of those guys. Maybe we can hang on to Zizic because he fills our biggest hole and is cheap.

[jmr07019]

IT and George are on cheap deals for 1 more year but then both need extensions. If

Horford gets 28/year
IT, Hayward and George all get the same 28/year.
Brown 5/year
Fultz 7/year
Brooklyn 18 - 5/year

Those 7 add up to 129. We would end up a solid 15 million over the lux tax line with that team. No money to pay Bradley, Smart or Crowder.

[robdog_5]

Somebody brought up Portland and I think it's a good call in a sense that they have 3 picks, and their already over the cap, with no flexibility moving forward. So maybe they can help facilitate a deal with a pick and player. For example, Orlando just lost a 2018 2nd rounder. No big deal, however with a new group coming in they may not be in love with their roster at this point. Which means Gordon and Vujvec can be targets for Boston who wants some bigs help IMO. Would Orlando whose rebuilding want picks?

Blazers want to rid of themselves of Ezili who gives them 0 mins and makes 7.4 mil. However, their one weakness IMO is small forward. Boston deals Crowder to Portland, Orlando deals Gordon to Celtics, Portland gives Ezili, #20 and #26 to Orlando and Boston chips in 2018 Boston first rd pick. Orlando gets 3 first round picks and a center who only has one more year on his deal. Only take on 3mil in salaries. Boston actually takes off $2 mil roughly to help them go get a max guy. Gordon gives us a rebounding, athletic big who can help on switches and rebound.