2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

[Kobblehead]

I have Fultz over DLo. I see Fultz upside as a slasher and FTr much brighter than DLoz.

I think Fultz's defensive potential is much greater than Dlo's ever was, but Dlo was just a more crafty ball handler with better short area quickness. You didn't see Dlo forced into many contested jumpers because he was just tougher to guard, IMO.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think Ainge is going to realize Jackson is BPA for the Celtics. He may try and hustle some teams for the pick (including us), but I don't think they'll end up trading it. Fultz is just so redundant with the players they currently have. They were interested in Butler and PG, and I think Jackson is really that same type of player minus the NBA-ready jumpshot. They can start Jackson at the 2 between IT and Crowder (eventually Brown) and would be a much better team than if they started Fultz at the 2 IMO.

If that scenario played out, I would happily take Fultz at 3. I think it's a foregone conclusion that LA will take Ball no matter who Boston takes. We really ended up in a perfect spot to take BPA at 3. If it's Fultz, then so be it. He would fill our biggest need, and there would be no questions regarding his fit.

Whether it's Jackson or Fultz, we'll be in great shape moving forward as long as we stay course and avoid doing anything unwise (i.e. trading the farm for the #1 pick).

[76ciology]

I have Fultz over DLo. I see Fultz upside as a slasher and FTr much brighter than DLoz.

I think Fultz's defensive potential is much greater than Dlo's ever was, but Dlo was just a more crafty ball handler with better short area quickness. You didn't see Dlo forced into many contested jumpers because he was just tougher to guard, IMO.

Fultz gets to the line at a higher rate and a lot higher % FGs unassisted at the rim. Big difference is Fultz settle alot more on long 2s while DLo would rather settle on 3s.

In my eyes (stats aside) Fultz is more crafty and better speed with the ball. Could be wrong.

[76ciology]

I think Ainge is going to realize Jackson is BPA for the Celtics. He may try and hustle some teams for the pick (including us), but I don't think they'll end up trading it. Fultz is just so redundant with the players they currently have. They were interested in Butler and PG, and I think Jackson is really that same type of player minus the NBA-ready jumpshot. They can start Jackson at the 2 between IT and Crowder (eventually Brown) and would be a much better team than if they started Fultz at the 2 IMO.

If that scenario played out, I would happily take Fultz at 3. I think it's a foregone conclusion that LA will take Ball no matter who Boston takes. We really ended up in a perfect spot to take BPA at 3. If it's Fultz, then so be it. He would fill our biggest need, and there would be no questions regarding his fit.

Whether it's Jackson or Fultz, we'll be in great shape moving forward as long as we stay course and avoid doing anything unwise (i.e. trading the farm for the #1 pick).

I can imagine Ainge calling BC asking for the 3rd pick without giving up any of the Nets pick including the 1st pick on the table. Choose between Jaylen Brown, Avery Bradley to Terry Rozier. Usual scam

[LloydFree]

Fultz will probably have a similar progression arc as Dlo. Which will disappoint the people that project him to be a star. But he should be a pretty solid mid-volume scorer right away with a future of being a high volume scorer 3 years down the line very probable.

I don't think he's similar to DLo. Something closer to CJ McCollum or Bradley Beal, but I agree it will take about 3 years until he realizes that level. And you are right, people will call him a bust because he won't do anything his first year plus.

[76ciology]

Fultz will probably have a similar progression arc as Dlo. Which will disappoint the people that project him to be a star. But he should be a pretty solid mid-volume scorer right away with a future of being a high volume scorer 3 years down the line very probable.

I don't think he's similar to DLo. Something closer to CJ McCollum or Bradley Beal, but I agree it will take about 3 years until he realizes that level. And you are right, people will call him a bust because he won't do anything his first year plus.

CJ or Beal with D?

[Kobblehead]

Fultz gets to the line at a higher rate and a lot higher % FGs unassisted at the rim. Big difference is Fultz settle alot more on long 2s while DLo would rather settle on 3s.

In my eyes (stats aside) Fultz is more crafty and better speed with the ball. Could be wrong.

Fultz got fouled a lot on jumpshots (because he didn't separate from defenders). It's not like he was a prominent slasher that drew contact in the paint.

Look at the percentage of FGA Fultz had at the rim compared to noted slashers like De'Aaron Fox and Jawun Evans. They attempt nearly 50% of their field goals at the rim. Fultz is sitting at half of that.

[Sixersftw]

Fultz will probably have a similar progression arc as Dlo. Which will disappoint the people that project him to be a star. But he should be a pretty solid mid-volume scorer right away with a future of being a high volume scorer 3 years down the line very probable.

I don't think he's similar to DLo. Something closer to CJ McCollum or Bradley Beal, but I agree it will take about 3 years until he realizes that level. And you are right, people will call him a bust because he won't do anything his first year plus.

CJ or Beal with D?

CJ. He should be able to defend. He's an above average athlete and very long but I've never seen him try outside of a chasedown. It's not even like Simmons where you got glimpses of him locking on a guy. Until he shows something it's hard to rate him as anything but below average defensively right now.

Offensively, I see a lot of Brandon Roy but w/ more body control and the Jumper isn't as wet.

[oddwolfhooligan]

I don't really see the CJ or Bradley Beal comparisons. Fultz is way more dynamic as a playmaker than both. The Brandon Roy comps are my favorite. I could easily see him turning into a slightly more creative and better passing version of Roy.

[LloydFree]

Fultz will probably have a similar progression arc as Dlo. Which will disappoint the people that project him to be a star. But he should be a pretty solid mid-volume scorer right away with a future of being a high volume scorer 3 years down the line very probable.

I don't think he's similar to DLo. Something closer to CJ McCollum or Bradley Beal, but I agree it will take about 3 years until he realizes that level. And you are right, people will call him a bust because he won't do anything his first year plus.

CJ or Beal with D?

The good D is an assumption that others make because he blocked some shots in College. I don't make that assumption. He isn't a good defender right now, and though he has long arms he really​ doesn't know how to get the most of the advantage. He doesn't even have the awareness to hold his arms out to his sides or up. So just assigning good D to him is a leap at this point, IMO.

[76ciology]

I don't think he's similar to DLo. Something closer to CJ McCollum or Bradley Beal, but I agree it will take about 3 years until he realizes that level. And you are right, people will call him a bust because he won't do anything his first year plus.

CJ or Beal with D?

The good D is an assumption that others make because he blocked some shots in College. I don't make that assumption. He isn't good defender right now, and though he has long arms he really​ doesn't know how to get the most of the advantage. He doesn't have the awareness to hold his arms out to his sides or up. So just assigning good D to him is a leap at this point, IMO.

I think Fultz can be a better team defender that he can get you good # in deflections and on/off D numbers but with a suspect individual D just like RoCo.

[LloydFree]

I don't think he's similar to DLo. Something closer to CJ McCollum or Bradley Beal, but I agree it will take about 3 years until he realizes that level. And you are right, people will call him a bust because he won't do anything his first year plus.

CJ or Beal with D?

CJ. He should be able to defend. He's an above average athlete and very long but I've never seen him try outside of a chasedown. It's not even like Simmons where you got glimpses of him locking on a guy. Until he shows something it's hard to rate him as anything but below average defensively right now.

Offensively, I see a lot of Brandon Roy but w/ more body control and the Jumper isn't as wet.

Isn't as big and isn't as quick either.

[76ciology]

Thinking out loud (while im watching game 4 reply of Cavs-Celtics now), after Josh Jackson, next prospect that fits Ainge's model is Lauri Markkanen. If Ainge's got another top 10, pretty sure he'll look at Markkanen.

[Sixersftw]

CJ or Beal with D?

CJ. He should be able to defend. He's an above average athlete and very long but I've never seen him try outside of a chasedown. It's not even like Simmons where you got glimpses of him locking on a guy. Until he shows something it's hard to rate him as anything but below average defensively right now.

Offensively, I see a lot of Brandon Roy but w/ more body control and the Jumper isn't as wet.

Isn't as big and isn't as quick either.

I'm not sure about the quickness. Roy wasn't that fast. They both employee/d the same change of pace and tight handles to get around the floor.

[cksdayoff]

fultz is going to be an elite shooter from midrange and 3.

[76ciology]

In terms of Fit..
1.) Fultz
2.) Jackson
3.) Ball

I like Fultz because of his size at PG and the volume perimeter scoring potential he can provide on offense.

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[PhilBlackson]

I think it's wishful thinking that BOS passes on Fultz for Jackson.

Especially when discussing fit considering they have Brown and Crowder available at the SF position and are apparently targeting Hayward as well. If anything with Bradley due for a pay day Fultz (assuming they don't take Ball) makes the most sense.

As for this pick I think despite Monk's great fit next to Simmons, it's going to be very hard to pass on Jackson at #3.

[Unbreakable99]

You would have to think Ball is 100% going to LA after this right? Magic would look like a fool saying this then passing on him right?

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4. Isaac
5. Jackson
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