Indiana/Minnesota/Boston 3-way

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Re: Indiana/Minnesota/Boston 3-way 

Post#81 » by shrink » Fri May 26, 2017 7:35 am

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Why wouldn't he? They'd be a top two (at worst) team in the East for years? He wants to win, and a nearly guaranteed shot at the ECF every year seems good to me.

But that's the problem too. It's a catch-22.

Say we believe, "why wouldn't he" is a magic risk eraser. Even if it's true, why would BOS pay much?

If BOS is sure, and PG is sure, and IND is sure he will re-sign with Boston, what team is going to bid against BOS?

You've built a "we lose him for nothing" situation, with only one bidder. He is then only worth a one year rental, in a year where he is not putting any team over GSW or CLE.

Just a couple of years ago, a team gave up a No. 1 pick for a player who may not re-sign. He did, but that wasn't guaranteed at the time of the deal. And I'm pretty sure that No. 1 pick was rated higher than the likely No. 1 pick this year is. And Boston is a slightly more appealing sports market than Cleveland to live in.

If Boston wants to go all-in, I don't think there are many reasons not to do this deal. The only one I can think of is if they don't want to keep Thomas past next year and want Fultz to take over the reigns.

I think I've said this three times already, but people need to stop equating the price the Cavs paid for Love to the price Paul George would get.

With his one year deal, LeBron James had a gun to the head of the Cavs, and told them to pay whatever it took to get Love.

If I pulled a gun on you, and said, "buy me that ice cream cone, even it costs $1000, or I'll shoot you!" - it does not mean all ice cream cones cost $1000 to all buyers now.

Nobody has a gun as big as LeBron's, and even if they did, no team would share LeBron's reason to use it. CLE and GSW both aren't desperate to add Paul George because he wins them a ring.
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Re: Indiana/Minnesota/Boston 3-way 

Post#82 » by Boneman2 » Fri May 26, 2017 12:32 pm

PG is better than Love so the above analogy is off. Either Indy gets paid fair value or they keep PG to which he could re-sign or leave for nothing. I'm good with that.
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Re: Indiana/Minnesota/Boston 3-way 

Post#83 » by wolves_89 » Fri May 26, 2017 1:51 pm

Boneman2 wrote:PG is better than Love so the above analogy is off. Either Indy gets paid fair value or they keep PG to which he could re-sign or leave for nothing. I'm good with that.


I'd have to disagree. At the time Love was traded he was widely considered a top 10 player in the NBA due to the massive stats he put up in Minnesota (he was 3rd in the NBA in win shares and 12th in RPM his last season with the Wolves). Last season George wan't a top 10 player (he was 39th in win shares and 37th in RPM last season).
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Re: Indiana/Minnesota/Boston 3-way 

Post#84 » by asitter » Fri May 26, 2017 2:07 pm

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Boneman2 wrote:PG is better than Love so the above analogy is off. Either Indy gets paid fair value or they keep PG to which he could re-sign or leave for nothing. I'm good with that.


I'd have to disagree. At the time Love was traded he was widely considered a top 10 player in the NBA due to the massive stats he put up in Minnesota (he was 3rd in the NBA in win shares and 12th in RPM his last season with the Wolves). Last season George wan't a top 10 player (he was 39th in win shares and 37th in RPM last season).


I agree he was thought of much more highly while he was in MIN, but I don't know if he was a top 10 player. This article has his at #15 in 2013:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1806221-ranking-the-top-100-players-in-the-nba-heading-into-2013-14-season

I would definitely argue that George is a top 15 player. But either way, the situation is so different it's difficult to compare.
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Re: Indiana/Minnesota/Boston 3-way 

Post#85 » by wolves_89 » Fri May 26, 2017 2:19 pm

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Boneman2 wrote:PG is better than Love so the above analogy is off. Either Indy gets paid fair value or they keep PG to which he could re-sign or leave for nothing. I'm good with that.


I'd have to disagree. At the time Love was traded he was widely considered a top 10 player in the NBA due to the massive stats he put up in Minnesota (he was 3rd in the NBA in win shares and 12th in RPM his last season with the Wolves). Last season George wan't a top 10 player (he was 39th in win shares and 37th in RPM last season).


I agree he was thought of much more highly while he was in MIN, but I don't know if he was a top 10 player. This article has his at #15 in 2013:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1806221-ranking-the-top-100-players-in-the-nba-heading-into-2013-14-season

I would definitely argue that George is a top 15 player. But either way, the situation is so different it's difficult to compare.


I tend to rate players based on things that can be quantified over reputation. Also, the article you linked to was from before Love had a massive season with the Wolves (and I tend to put little validity into bleacherreport articles). He's a link to a couple of articles from far more reputable sources that com from the same off-season as the Love trade (spoiler: Love is ranked #7 in both).

https://www.si.com/nba/2014/top-100-nba-players-2015-list

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11754398/#nbarank-2014-players-1-500

I'm not particularly interested in getting into a debate about 2014 Love versus 2017 George, I just wanted to point out that saying PG is better than Love is not an accurate statement in my opinion (and based on stats).
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Re: Indiana/Minnesota/Boston 3-way 

Post#86 » by Boneman2 » Fri May 26, 2017 6:45 pm

In 6 seasons with Indy PG played in 65 playoff games reaching the ECF twice. In 6 seasons with the Wolves Love never made the playoffs. Are these stats applicable in your opinion?

PG is greater than Love......................
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