ImageImage

2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

Moderators: paulpressey25, MickeyDavis

User avatar
Badgerlander
RealGM
Posts: 27,064
And1: 7,488
Joined: Jun 29, 2007
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#61 » by Badgerlander » Fri May 26, 2017 2:04 pm

Ruzious wrote:Very impressive - though he clearly lacks length - particularly poor standing reach if he's going to play PF. And his lack of blocks and steals is usually a red flag on defensive potential. Gotta wonder if he was one of those guys playing tricks with the standing reach. I get suspicious of anyone who has a shorter than expected standing reach and a higher than expected vertical - which is his case. Still, the drills were excellent and bode well for his future.


Crowder's standing reach was just 8'3.5" at the combine, but 8'6.5" (Semi's 8'6" at the combine) at the Nets group workout

-These are the first measurements we've seen for SMU junior Semi Ojeleyep since the 2012 Lebron James Camp. Ojeleye who projects as a combo forward at the NBA level stands 6.6'.75 with shoes on, posted a 6'9.75 wingspan, and weighed in at 241 pounds. His weight may seem on the high side, but Ojeleye has a ripped and mature frame carrying a body fat percentage of just 5.5%. His body is reminiscent of Boston Celtics forward Jae Crowder who also measured in at 6'6.5 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan and weighed in at 241 pounds at the 2012 NBA Draft Combine. Crowder was taken with the 34th overall pick in the 2012 NBA Draft and has since become a valuable two-way piece on one of the top teams in the NBA. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nba-draft-combine-measurements-analysis-5927/ ©DraftExpress
Shoot, Move, and Communicate...

Spoiler:

I'm just here for my own amusement,"don't take offense at my innuendo..."


Countless waze, we pass the daze...

A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
User avatar
Badgerlander
RealGM
Posts: 27,064
And1: 7,488
Joined: Jun 29, 2007
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#62 » by Badgerlander » Fri May 26, 2017 2:26 pm

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/gonzaga-bulldogs/nigel-williams-goss-has-only-one-more-goal-to-check-off-win-a-national-championship/

POTUS was in the building Sunday, in case you hadn’t heard.

He was sitting next to Gonzaga guard Johnathan Williams, fielding questions from the media.

No, it wasn’t our current Commander in Chief, but rather one several terms away.

“I’ll defer to the 51st President of the United States down there,” said Gonzaga coach Mark Few when asked about his team’s only loss of the season. “He speaks for me. He speaks better than me.”

The man Few sees as the future Oval Office occupier is Nigel Williams-Goss, the Zags’ 6-foot-3 point guard who is as gifted in the classroom as he is on the court. The redshirt junior’s 16.9 points per game helped make him a first-team All-American, while his 3.84 grade-point average made him a first-team Academic All-American.


https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/15/ncaa-tournament-gonzaga-nigel-williams-goss

Williams-Goss has filled a huge void for Gonzaga this season, which lost two-thirds of its starting backcourt to graduation. Not only did Williams-Goss, the West Coast Conference player of the year, average a team-high 16.3 points for the No. 4 Zags (32–1), the top seed in the West Region, but he also excels in Gonzaga’s ball screen heavy offense, where his calculating, analytical mind helps him attack the rim or dish to teammates (153 assists to just 68 turnovers this season). He’s also the Zags’ best rebounding guard (5.7 per game) and typically defends opposing teams’ best perimeter players, a testament to his ability to memorize scouting reports. After Gonzaga stumbled in its regular season finale at home against BYU, ruining its chances at a perfect regular season, Williams-Goss has the Zags well-positioned for the first Final Four in school history.

“[Williams-Goss] was always a capable shooter, but now he’s much better,” says Arizona coach Sean Miller, who faced Williams-Goss twice when he was with Washington. “You add that element to the cast he plays with, and it’s the perfect storm: They have a lot of talented, experienced players and, no question, he is the engine that can make it go.”

In what Washington coach Lorenzo Romar has termed a “dysfunctional” stretch for the program, nine players and four members of the coaching staff left over a three-year period, culminating in a 16–15 finish when Williams-Goss was a sophomore, in 2014–15. A + B equaled mediocrity, and Williams-Goss felt he needed to make a change. “Obviously playing for a Pac-12 program, having a big football team and a lot of great facilities, that’s fun,” says Williams-Goss, who maintains a good relationship with his former coach and credits Romar for being instrumental in his development. “But our facilities didn’t put a smile on my face when we weren’t winning games.”

No program in the country has used the mid-career redshirt with as much success as Gonzaga. Former All-Americas Kelly Olynyk and Kyle Wiltjer dramatically changed their bodies and saw significant growth in their games after their seasons off. During his redshirt year in Spokane, Williams-Goss did not drastically trim his body fat—it’s always hovered around 4%—but he added about 10 pounds of muscle, a difference he feels every time he drives to the rim. He also changed his shot. After hours of film study, Williams-Goss realized that his sophomore year at Washington he often let the ball drift in front of his head instead of holding it slightly off to the right for a perfect shot line (wrist-elbow-knee connected by an invisible string). This season he’s improved his shooting to 50.9% (from 44.2% in 2014–15), as well as his accuracy from beyond the arc (36.3%, up from 25.6%) and at the line (90.9%, up from 76.3%).

William-Goss’s ability to analyze, process and memorize information is both good and bad. He admits he can get in his own head, a problem that plagued him his sophomore year at UW. A film junkie, Williams-Goss has the Gonzaga video director email him film of opponents two to three days before the game so he can take detailed notes—his own scouting report—on his phone. But the beauty of Gonzaga and Few, he says, is that coaches have done all the analysis for him, and present it to the players in a clear, simple way. “The prep we do takes a load off you,” he says. “So many times I knew the other team was going to go under a ball screen, so I knew I was shooting a three before I even let it go.”

Williams-Goss studies other teams, but with a purpose. After the Zags entered the preseason No. 14, he watched only the 13 higher-ranked teams to understand what it would take to be No. 1. His list quickly got shorter: after a school-record 22–0 start, Gonzaga, during the final week of January, reached the top spot for the first time since the 2012–13 season.

It’s no surprise that Williams-Goss is a planner, given his parents’ goal-setting throughout his life. Nigel was a nursing baby when Valerie was finishing her masters in psychology at George Fox University in Newberg, Ore. in the mid-1990s. She’d take Nigel along to night classes and volunteer shifts at a women’s crisis center. Sometimes on her way to work she’d drive to the bus stop to hand Nigel off to Virgil, a mortgage broker, who would ride home with a baby in one hand and a pizza for dinner in the other. On the weekends the family, then living in a lower-income section of northeast Portland, drove around the affluent suburb of Happy Valley, plotting a way to buy in that area so Nigel could attend some of the best schools in the state. Virgil, a retired Air Force staff sergeant who played semipro in England for two years, coached his son’s youth basketball teams and before every game encouraged the players to write their goals on index cards, which they read aloud before tip-off.

Everything Nigel does needs a purpose. Many college athletes use off days to binge watch the latest Netflix hit. Nigel can’t join his teammates in this —Vampire Diaries is a favorite of the Zags—because he’s bothered by the thought that getting ahead in homework would be much more valuable. (It’s this type of classroom commitment that led to him being the first Academic All-America in Washington basketball history, an honor he repeated at Gonzaga this season after graduating in December with a 3.84 GPA and degree in psychology. He’s already started on a master’s in organizational leadership.) He does not believe in “going to the gym to shoot around.” He wants a specific workout with a specific goal, and he wants to chart his progress.
Shoot, Move, and Communicate...

Spoiler:

I'm just here for my own amusement,"don't take offense at my innuendo..."


Countless waze, we pass the daze...

A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
Fotis St
General Manager
Posts: 9,447
And1: 3,143
Joined: May 05, 2015

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#63 » by Fotis St » Fri May 26, 2017 2:35 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Very impressive - though he clearly lacks length - particularly poor standing reach if he's going to play PF. And his lack of blocks and steals is usually a red flag on defensive potential. Gotta wonder if he was one of those guys playing tricks with the standing reach. I get suspicious of anyone who has a shorter than expected standing reach and a higher than expected vertical - which is his case. Still, the drills were excellent and bode well for his future.


Crowder's standing reach was just 8'3.5" at the combine, but 8'6.5" (Semi's 8'6" at the combine) at the Nets group workout

-These are the first measurements we've seen for SMU junior Semi Ojeleyep since the 2012 Lebron James Camp. Ojeleye who projects as a combo forward at the NBA level stands 6.6'.75 with shoes on, posted a 6'9.75 wingspan, and weighed in at 241 pounds. His weight may seem on the high side, but Ojeleye has a ripped and mature frame carrying a body fat percentage of just 5.5%. His body is reminiscent of Boston Celtics forward Jae Crowder who also measured in at 6'6.5 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan and weighed in at 241 pounds at the 2012 NBA Draft Combine. Crowder was taken with the 34th overall pick in the 2012 NBA Draft and has since become a valuable two-way piece on one of the top teams in the NBA. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nba-draft-combine-measurements-analysis-5927/ ©DraftExpress


Really happy to see you post Badgerlander :D

I remember last summer you were very active and one of my favourite posters in the Draft Process :thumbsup:
jakecronus8
RealGM
Posts: 16,735
And1: 8,144
Joined: Feb 06, 2006
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#64 » by jakecronus8 » Fri May 26, 2017 2:52 pm

Just started watching some film on next year's draft prospects for the first time. I shouldn't have done that. I'm having visions of Mohamed Bamba and now I'm depressed. **** it. Go all in and get that Nets pick from Boston next year.
Do it for Chuck
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#65 » by Ruzious » Fri May 26, 2017 2:52 pm

Good stuff. Crowder's one of my favorites. He defies measurements. But he put up 3.2 steals and 1.2 blocks per 40 at Marquette, while Semi averaged 0.5 and 0.5. Crowder was a great producer all the way across the board. For whatever reason, Semi seemed much more into the offensive numbers than Crowder. Not saying that can't change once he's in the NBA, though it'll likely take a change in mindset. Crowder has tremendous strength, and I concur that Semi looks like he has similar strength. He's definitely a player the Bucks should consider, imo.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#66 » by Ruzious » Fri May 26, 2017 2:59 pm

I think Nigel will be a late 2nd, but he could have a long NBA career because of his maturity and understanding of his limitations. There's always a market for a solid backup point guard.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
User avatar
emunney
RealGM
Posts: 62,922
And1: 41,311
Joined: Feb 22, 2005
Location: where takes go to be pampered

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#67 » by emunney » Fri May 26, 2017 3:01 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Just started watching some film on next year's draft prospects for the first time. I shouldn't have done that. I'm having visions of Mohamed Bamba and now I'm depressed. **** it. Go all in and get that Nets pick from Boston next year.


Have you gotten to Isaac Bonga yet?
Here are more legal notices regarding the Posts
jakecronus8
RealGM
Posts: 16,735
And1: 8,144
Joined: Feb 06, 2006
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#68 » by jakecronus8 » Fri May 26, 2017 3:14 pm

emunney wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Just started watching some film on next year's draft prospects for the first time. I shouldn't have done that. I'm having visions of Mohamed Bamba and now I'm depressed. **** it. Go all in and get that Nets pick from Boston next year.


Have you gotten to Isaac Bonga yet?


Just watched some. Looks like a lankier Iguodala to me. Nice player. Is he '18 eligible?
Do it for Chuck
User avatar
emunney
RealGM
Posts: 62,922
And1: 41,311
Joined: Feb 22, 2005
Location: where takes go to be pampered

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#69 » by emunney » Fri May 26, 2017 3:18 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
emunney wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Just started watching some film on next year's draft prospects for the first time. I shouldn't have done that. I'm having visions of Mohamed Bamba and now I'm depressed. **** it. Go all in and get that Nets pick from Boston next year.


Have you gotten to Isaac Bonga yet?


Just watched some. Looks like a lankier Iguodala to me. Nice player. Is he '18 eligible?


Yep, turns 18 this November, eligible the year he turns 19. Will be less than a month older than Giannis was when Giannis became the youngest player drafted since the age restriction. If he declares, he'll be drafted when others his age are preparing for their freshman year.
Here are more legal notices regarding the Posts
jakecronus8
RealGM
Posts: 16,735
And1: 8,144
Joined: Feb 06, 2006
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#70 » by jakecronus8 » Fri May 26, 2017 3:48 pm

Maybe Boston adds a big name like George or Hayward this offseason to go along with Fultz and decides they want to get greedy. Middleton for the BKN pick or maybe Jabari for a pick swap
Do it for Chuck
bucksfansince88
Analyst
Posts: 3,737
And1: 2,216
Joined: Sep 22, 2009
   

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#71 » by bucksfansince88 » Fri May 26, 2017 3:55 pm

Really like Kobi Simmons the more i watch him, for the people that like Fox, what makes fox the better lead guard?
Douggystyle29
Junior
Posts: 298
And1: 37
Joined: Jun 14, 2010

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#72 » by Douggystyle29 » Fri May 26, 2017 3:56 pm

My picks
1. Adebayo- He comes in day 1 with an NBA ready body. He has played high level competition all year and had for the most part has done well. Super athletic and mobile and can play physical. Lacks post skills but if Monroe is still around I couldn't think of a better mentor improve his post game. He could be a much more athletic, better defending Monroe IMO. Probably not quite the passer Monroe is though.
2. Jarrett Allen- I love his size and wingspan. He seems wiry strong and could probably be a good defender.
3.Trade down-Grab Jeanne, Ferguson, or even Adebayo
4. Luke Kennard- I would love to add a sharp shooter of his caliber to this roster more than anything, but I just can't look past his lack of quickness and athleticism. I mean he's not terrible but Ferguson can also shoot and is really athletic. I think Kennard has a higher basketball I.Q. than Ferguson though.
5. Hartenstein
2nd Round
1. Cam Oliver- I love his strength and athleticism. He's an above average rebounder and an excellent shot blocker for his size. He could be an excellent bench player for us I feel.
2.Frank Mason-We could use another productive guard
3.Dwayne Bacon
4.Monte Morris
5.Kobi Simmons
LuessiT
RealGM
Posts: 11,475
And1: 4,735
Joined: Jan 08, 2016
 

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#73 » by LuessiT » Fri May 26, 2017 3:56 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Maybe Boston adds a big name like George or Hayward this offseason to go along with Fultz and decides they want to get greedy. Middleton for the BKN pick or maybe Jabari for a pick swap



Porter and Doncic are the real deal too. Next year is very top heavy.
User avatar
Matches Malone
RealGM
Posts: 36,452
And1: 26,682
Joined: Nov 23, 2005
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#74 » by Matches Malone » Fri May 26, 2017 3:57 pm

DeAndre Ayton lookin' like Greg Odens dad.
Gery Woelfel wrote:Got a time big boy?
User avatar
Badgerlander
RealGM
Posts: 27,064
And1: 7,488
Joined: Jun 29, 2007
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#75 » by Badgerlander » Fri May 26, 2017 4:00 pm

Fun with Hoop math

Image

Image

Image



The best PGs can shoot at all 3 levels, at the rim, 2pt Jumpers, and 3s. This chart is sorted by number of 2pt Js. Notice stuff like Evans most shots at the rim but worst fg%, Ball highest fg% but fewest shots, etc.
Shoot, Move, and Communicate...

Spoiler:

I'm just here for my own amusement,"don't take offense at my innuendo..."


Countless waze, we pass the daze...

A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
User avatar
M-C-G
RealGM
Posts: 23,525
And1: 9,849
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#76 » by M-C-G » Fri May 26, 2017 4:07 pm

bucksfansince88 wrote:Really like Kobi Simmons the more i watch him, for the people that like Fox, what makes fox the better lead guard?


I was looking into him earlier trying to figure out why he was so low, but then you get into the negatives on him. Dude sounds like the downside of Brandon Jennings. Too weak, doesn't get team involved, questionable intangibles according to some, bad shot selection, etc, and he is about to be 20 and seems to have more weaknesses than he did two years ago.

Maybe you are getting a bargain because he just wasn't happy at Arizona and it affected him, but I like a lot of other options even at the end of the draft a lot more. For instance, I have seen Frank Mason mocked toward the end of the second a lot. I'd take him 10 times out of 10 over a guy like Kobi.

NBA scouts like Simmons' talent-level but have major concerns about his intangibles, especially considering how much development he still needs in terms of his skill-level and basketball IQ. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kobi-Simmons-7247/ ©DraftExpress


Weaknesses: As good as Simmons is with the ball in his hands at creating offense, he isn't enough of a facilitator ... He does not look to pass very often when he gets into the lane, as he is constantly looking for his own shots when he's on the floor ... He is much more of an isolation player at this stage, and he struggles to operate out of the pick-and-roll as a playmaker, which is a vital tool for success in the NBA as a lead guard ... Simmons played 23.5 minutes per game at Arizona this past season, but he only averaged two assists per contest, a sign that his playmaking instincts need to improve ... He did not turn the ball over that frequently, coughing it up 1.2 times per game, but he has a tendency to over dribble and play out of control, which leads to bad turnovers ... Maturity and attitude are points that scouts note that he must improve upon ... His attitude came under fire after Trier returned to the team at midseason and he was visibly unhappy with coming off the bench. His play suffered as he stopped moving the ball as willingly, and Coach Miller was forced to cut his minutes futher ... If he wants to make it as a point guard in the association, it is imperative that he improves his decision-making and starts getting his teammates more involved ... Inefficiency is also a concern for Simmons right now ... He shot just 39.5% from the field in his freshman season, which is largely the result of subpar shot selection ... As good as he is off the dribble, he needs to improve his consistency as a spot-up shooter, as he made only 32% of his threes this season ... In the NBA, it is so difficult to be a consistent scorer without a reliable jump shot, so this needs to be a priority ... Maybe the biggest concern for now is adding strength to his slender frame. He weighs less than 200 pounds, which will be a problem at the next level when matched up with bigger guards in the NBA ... However, he is still just 19 years old, so he should develop physically with time ... A kid with a very high "situational dependency" at the next level for him to reach his potential ... Could have used an additional season in college to improve his skill level, however he apparently was always of the mindset that he was a one and done player ...


coming off a disappointing freshman campaign at Arizona, has a lot of developing to do with his all-around game before he becomes a factor at the next level.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nbadraft2017mock_2.php#7Om2bIEvQgufWgKQ.99
LuessiT
RealGM
Posts: 11,475
And1: 4,735
Joined: Jan 08, 2016
 

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#77 » by LuessiT » Fri May 26, 2017 4:32 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
LuessiT wrote:Ojeleye can guard real sized 4's but probably not 3's as he's been struggling on that end in college already. He's very robotic on defense and doesn't have the lateral quickness to be able to guard quicker SF's. He's not a good defender in college despite him being stronger and more athletic than the players he has to defend. He's not a defensive prospect at all. At best he's going to be a neutral defender in the league.
Ojeleye's catch is that he can create his own shot off the dribble from outside and in the paint. The first part is a pretty rare skill at the power forward position. His handles are pretty far developed and should get help him get his shot off vs. NBA length. He doesn't do much other than scoring so depending on how efficient he's going to be there he has a wide span of possible outcomes ranging from not sticking to being a premier offensive scorer.


I'm not going to go as far as saying Ojeleye is a good defender, but I dont think he's a bad defender either. He has lateral quickness, I've seen him switch onto PGs and stay in front of them and cut off drives, but thats not to say he's going to do that against the quickest of NBA guards. The nice thing about the defense that he played in is that he is showing and recovering on PnRs, doubling in the post and running out at the perimeter shooters, but yeah his recognition isnt the best and he is sometimes a step slow to react.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
SEMI OJELEYE
Wing SMU, Jr.

RINGER’S 1 REASON Defensive Versatility
AGE22.5
HEIGHT/WEIGHT6' 7''/235
WINGSPAN6' 10''
STANDING REACH8' 6''
Athletic, multipositional forward who could rise up draft boards with strong workouts.
BEST-CASE SCENARIO: Jae Crowder, Stanley Johnson, Jonathon Simmons

PLUSES
Good defender against bigs. He has a strong, sturdy frame, and plays with superb fundamentals defending without fouling.
Versatile enough to defend guards and wings. Fights through screens, closes out well.

Smooth, simple one-motion spot-up shooting form with NBA range should translate. Needs to quicken his release, but it’s fixable.
Athletic at-rim finisher. Hangs in the air and handles contact well in traffic. Can throw down dunks when he has space attacking closeouts.

MINUSES
Spent two years at Duke before transferring to SMU. Hasn’t excelled versus elite competition, and is already 22 years old.
Defensive intensity wanes. Doesn’t pick up many blocks, steals, or charges. Tends to be a beat late on his rotations.
Lacks creativity as a ball handler and is stiff changing directions. May never be more than a straight-line bully driver.


http://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/3/17/14946636/march-madness-prospect-watch-day-2-semi-ojeleye-smu
His athleticism shows up when attacking the rim as well as his “switchability” potential on the defensive end. He shows good discipline when guarding the pick and roll, and while he doesn’t generate many steals or blocks, staying in front of guards and generating misses his one of Ojeleye’s strengths.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2017-semi-ojeleye-scouting-report-combine-smu-duke-basketball-first-round-prospects/15lctixt4z6471iaxhk0bklxob
That strength and speed combination plays itself out best on defense, where Ojeleye has shown the ability to defend multiple positions. With the Mustangs, it was not abnormal to see Ojeleye guarding someone like Tacko Fall from UCF on one possession in the post, then switching out onto a perimeter player the next. He doesn’t force turnovers at a high level, but he provides positional versatility at a time when it is more valued than ever.
Look at how deep Ojeleye sits down in his stance in order to slide for his opponent on the perimeter for multiple steps. He also understands how to use his quickness on the block to front bigger players as well as use his lower body strength to walk skinnier forwards off the block. For a player his age and weight class, he’s extremely mature in terms of his mechanics. When mixed with his athleticism, it presents as an NBA-ready defender. He attributes this to staying “mentally focused,” while also noting that he understands defense is how he can make his early NBA mark.

“Being a rookie, all the teams told me that (defense) is going to get you on the court,” Ojeleye said. “They have the All-Stars, they have the all-world type guys. So unless you’re a lottery pick, you’re not going to go in and shoot 15, 20 shots a game. Playing defense and keeping it simple on offense, then expanding your game each offseason is what’s going to get you on the court.”



btw his full name is Jesusemilore Talodabijesu Ojeleye, how awesome is that


Not sure if you believe in advanced stats at the college level but Ojeleye has been pretty bad there, posting 'just' a 0.2 DBPM (note that at the college level even bad defensive players usually post positive DBPM's).

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/semi-ojeleye-1.html

I think he's a bad defensive player that is going to get exposed at the pro level.
User avatar
Badgerlander
RealGM
Posts: 27,064
And1: 7,488
Joined: Jun 29, 2007
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#78 » by Badgerlander » Fri May 26, 2017 4:34 pm

also fun, guards sorted by points produced this season

http://cbbref.com/tiny/DgGSq

Rk Player PProd
5 Frank Mason 746
8 Luke Kennard 673
13 Malik Monk 661
14 Nigel Williams-Goss 661
16 Jawun Evans 659
21 Josh Hart 648
23 Monte Morris 645
25 Sindarius Thornwell 637
30 Dennis Smith Jr. 621
35 Lonzo Ball 609
36 De'Aaron Fox 608
42 Derrick White 602
51 Quinton Hooker 588
60 Markelle Fultz 582
70 Josh Jackson 572
71 Peter Jok 572
95 Dwayne Bacon 545
Shoot, Move, and Communicate...

Spoiler:

I'm just here for my own amusement,"don't take offense at my innuendo..."


Countless waze, we pass the daze...

A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
User avatar
SirChurros
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,576
And1: 4,256
Joined: Apr 02, 2015
   

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#79 » by SirChurros » Fri May 26, 2017 4:51 pm

So the Sixers apparently think Ball and Simmons on the same team could work.

Good luck with that. :lol: :lol:
User avatar
Badgerlander
RealGM
Posts: 27,064
And1: 7,488
Joined: Jun 29, 2007
     

Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#80 » by Badgerlander » Fri May 26, 2017 4:52 pm

LuessiT wrote:
Spoiler:
Badgerlander wrote:
LuessiT wrote:Ojeleye can guard real sized 4's but probably not 3's as he's been struggling on that end in college already. He's very robotic on defense and doesn't have the lateral quickness to be able to guard quicker SF's. He's not a good defender in college despite him being stronger and more athletic than the players he has to defend. He's not a defensive prospect at all. At best he's going to be a neutral defender in the league.
Ojeleye's catch is that he can create his own shot off the dribble from outside and in the paint. The first part is a pretty rare skill at the power forward position. His handles are pretty far developed and should get help him get his shot off vs. NBA length. He doesn't do much other than scoring so depending on how efficient he's going to be there he has a wide span of possible outcomes ranging from not sticking to being a premier offensive scorer.


I'm not going to go as far as saying Ojeleye is a good defender, but I dont think he's a bad defender either. He has lateral quickness, I've seen him switch onto PGs and stay in front of them and cut off drives, but thats not to say he's going to do that against the quickest of NBA guards. The nice thing about the defense that he played in is that he is showing and recovering on PnRs, doubling in the post and running out at the perimeter shooters, but yeah his recognition isnt the best and he is sometimes a step slow to react.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
SEMI OJELEYE
Wing SMU, Jr.

RINGER’S 1 REASON Defensive Versatility
AGE22.5
HEIGHT/WEIGHT6' 7''/235
WINGSPAN6' 10''
STANDING REACH8' 6''
Athletic, multipositional forward who could rise up draft boards with strong workouts.
BEST-CASE SCENARIO: Jae Crowder, Stanley Johnson, Jonathon Simmons

PLUSES
Good defender against bigs. He has a strong, sturdy frame, and plays with superb fundamentals defending without fouling.
Versatile enough to defend guards and wings. Fights through screens, closes out well.

Smooth, simple one-motion spot-up shooting form with NBA range should translate. Needs to quicken his release, but it’s fixable.
Athletic at-rim finisher. Hangs in the air and handles contact well in traffic. Can throw down dunks when he has space attacking closeouts.

MINUSES
Spent two years at Duke before transferring to SMU. Hasn’t excelled versus elite competition, and is already 22 years old.
Defensive intensity wanes. Doesn’t pick up many blocks, steals, or charges. Tends to be a beat late on his rotations.
Lacks creativity as a ball handler and is stiff changing directions. May never be more than a straight-line bully driver.


http://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/3/17/14946636/march-madness-prospect-watch-day-2-semi-ojeleye-smu
His athleticism shows up when attacking the rim as well as his “switchability” potential on the defensive end. He shows good discipline when guarding the pick and roll, and while he doesn’t generate many steals or blocks, staying in front of guards and generating misses his one of Ojeleye’s strengths.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2017-semi-ojeleye-scouting-report-combine-smu-duke-basketball-first-round-prospects/15lctixt4z6471iaxhk0bklxob
That strength and speed combination plays itself out best on defense, where Ojeleye has shown the ability to defend multiple positions. With the Mustangs, it was not abnormal to see Ojeleye guarding someone like Tacko Fall from UCF on one possession in the post, then switching out onto a perimeter player the next. He doesn’t force turnovers at a high level, but he provides positional versatility at a time when it is more valued than ever.
Look at how deep Ojeleye sits down in his stance in order to slide for his opponent on the perimeter for multiple steps. He also understands how to use his quickness on the block to front bigger players as well as use his lower body strength to walk skinnier forwards off the block. For a player his age and weight class, he’s extremely mature in terms of his mechanics. When mixed with his athleticism, it presents as an NBA-ready defender. He attributes this to staying “mentally focused,” while also noting that he understands defense is how he can make his early NBA mark.

“Being a rookie, all the teams told me that (defense) is going to get you on the court,” Ojeleye said. “They have the All-Stars, they have the all-world type guys. So unless you’re a lottery pick, you’re not going to go in and shoot 15, 20 shots a game. Playing defense and keeping it simple on offense, then expanding your game each offseason is what’s going to get you on the court.”



btw his full name is Jesusemilore Talodabijesu Ojeleye, how awesome is that


Not sure if you believe in advanced stats at the college level but Ojeleye has been pretty bad there, posting 'just' a 0.2 DBPM (note that at the college level even bad defensive players usually post positive DBPM's).

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/semi-ojeleye-1.html

I think he's a bad defensive player that is going to get exposed at the pro level.


Idk, that might have more to do with the type of defense SMU played and their glacial pace. Their team defense was top 5 ranked last year and they switched on everything so its not like you can hide a bad defensive player doing that. I absolutely NOT well versed in advanced stats on D though, so you could be absolutely right, but I didnt see a bad defender in the few games that I watched him play. Of course I was watching the games to watch Shake Milton and was pleasantly surprised at Semi so I cant say that I was watching Semi play in and play out either, but his switching onto guards and getting a body on them when they drive to push them out of the lane looked pretty good to me, not Brogdon level but definitely not Jabari level either.
Shoot, Move, and Communicate...

Spoiler:

I'm just here for my own amusement,"don't take offense at my innuendo..."


Countless waze, we pass the daze...

A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.

Return to Milwaukee Bucks