Summary of Bad moves while Hammond "GM"

tydett · Post #41 » by **tydett** » Thu May 25, 2017 1:33 pm

The two coaches that John Hammond hired were Scott Skiles and Larry Drew. 'Nuff said.

M-C-G · Post #42 » by **M-C-G** » Thu May 25, 2017 1:40 pm

tydett wrote:The two coaches that John Hammond hired were Scott Skiles and Larry Drew. 'Nuff said.

I might be misremembering but wasn't there some talk that Hammond had picked another coach and Kohl trumped him with Drew?

I also thought Skiles was the coach when Hammy got hired. I might be wrong about both though

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MadBlueEdwards · Post #43 » by **MadBlueEdwards** » Thu May 25, 2017 2:07 pm

M-C-G wrote:I might be misremembering but wasn't there some talk that Hammond had picked another coach and Kohl trumped him with Drew?

Was that Kelvin Sampson?

crkone · Post #44 » by **crkone** » Thu May 25, 2017 2:28 pm

MadBlueEdwards wrote:
M-C-G wrote:I might be misremembering but wasn't there some talk that Hammond had picked another coach and Kohl trumped him with Drew?

Was that Kelvin Sampson?

All I remember about trying to get coaches from that era is the Bucks getting denied consistently from their first choices.

Nowak008 · Post #45 » by **Nowak008** » Thu May 25, 2017 3:15 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:You guys need to remember that Richard Jefferson was owed 3/$51 at the time and no one wanted that contract. The Nets made that deal as partly THEIR salary dump since Bobby's deal would expire in 2010 allowing the Nets to participate in FA.

But in doing so put the Bucks in cap hell and six months later they had no flexibility to resign Ramon or CV.

Yea that Bobby Simmons contract was actually really valuable. That was the epic 2010 offseason with 5-8 all star players hitting free agency. Plus Yi was only in his second year and still had value. Really was a terrible trade for us, which Hambone master cleaner realized, and traded RJ soon after

midranger · Post #46 » by **midranger** » Thu May 25, 2017 4:12 pm

Time dulls memory but yes 2010 expirings were an incredibly valuable asset that year. Yi too had value. Trading for RJ was a huge mistake and plenty here said it at the time. Doubling down on non-special one dimensional wing scorers, especially one that didn't want to come to Milwaukee, was a Hammond special.

Jez2983 · Post #47 » by **Jez2983** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:21 pm

I'm not sure where to put changing the culture.

Jez2983 · Post #48 » by **Jez2983** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:28 pm

What did we shift Amir for again?

Baddy Chuck · Post #49 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:29 pm

Jez2983 wrote:What did we shift Amir for again?

stellation · Post #50 » by **stellation** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:31 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Jez2983 wrote:What did we shift Amir for again?

Right move. Anyone who doubts it is blind.

Post #51 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:43 pm

M-C-G wrote:
tydett wrote:The two coaches that John Hammond hired were Scott Skiles and Larry Drew. 'Nuff said.

I might be misremembering but wasn't there some talk that Hammond had picked another coach and Kohl trumped him with Drew?

I also thought Skiles was the coach when Hammy got hired. I might be wrong about both though

When Larry Harris was fired, Kohl went on his GM search. They targeted Griffin from the Suns but one side of story claimed Griffin wanted full control and wasn't going to get it. After Griffin declined, they went to Hammond and Hammond asked for same thing. Bucks then relented, believing Hammond was a stronger candidate and more deserving of it. (Again this is spin I got from one guy, could have been #fakenews)

Once Hammond hired, organization went full bore after Rick Carlisle. After intense courtship, Carlisle turned it down and organization went for Skiles with Hammond's endorsement.

On the Larry Drew front, I assumed that was a team Hammond decision to bring him in given the cultural fit with Hammond and Drew and that Kohl and Cronies got on board because Drew clearly had a track record of win-now winning with the Hawks.

Chapter29 · Post #52 » by **Chapter29** » Thu May 25, 2017 11:05 pm

Fotis St wrote:1.Henson the extension
2.Inglis
3.Not being able to find a decent D League player or undrafted.
4. Not making any trade to acquire players on the move from other teams. Not opportunistic

Yeah, Inglis. Many around here loved that guy. Not this guy.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #53 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Fri May 26, 2017 3:25 am

paulpressey25 wrote:When Larry Harris was fired, Kohl went on his GM search. They targeted Griffin from the Suns but one side of story claimed Griffin wanted full control and wasn't going to get it. After Griffin declined, they went to Hammond and Hammond asked for same thing. Bucks then relented, believing Hammond was a stronger candidate and more deserving of it. (Again this is spin I got from one guy, could have been #fakenews)

So their first choice turned them down so they made a higher offer to their second choice?

Post #54 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri May 26, 2017 3:53 am

ElPeregrino wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:When Larry Harris was fired, Kohl went on his GM search. They targeted Griffin from the Suns but one side of story claimed Griffin wanted full control and wasn't going to get it. After Griffin declined, they went to Hammond and Hammond asked for same thing. Bucks then relented, believing Hammond was a stronger candidate and more deserving of it. (Again this is spin I got from one guy, could have been #fakenews)

So their first choice turned them down so they made a higher offer to their second choice?

That was my understanding but subject to interpretation.

Great vintage threads....

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Thunder Muscle · Post #55 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Fri May 26, 2017 4:01 am

I was actually pretty happy in 2008. I loved the Skiles hire & he was fairly well regarded at the time. And Hammond was a fairly trendy assistant GM at the time.

Obviously ended up being a mediocre run.

And I always felt we tried to get Doug Collins for a few of the coach openings. Flip Saunders was floated around for a few I thought. Guys that wrre not coming at that time. Those may have been pre Hammond though.

BroncoBuck · Post #56 » by **BroncoBuck** » Fri May 26, 2017 3:30 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
BroncoBuck wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Trading for Richard Jefferson and taking on his huge contract right after taking over

Seems odd to have this listed under bad moves. Bobby Simmons was possibly the worst contract in the league and we dumped him and the Chair Master for a good player in Jefferson. Heck, we even flipped Jefferson for some vets and Delfino. I actually liked Kurt Thomas during his time here in Milwaukee, he did an admirable job stepping up for the team when Bogut's career was ruined in the playoffs.

I think you're really underplaying the value the Yi asset had at the time. You keep talking about how atrocious the Bobby Simmons deal was, and you're right, but we got an "all-star" player at the time for that asset and dumped that atrocious deal.

The value of Yi? That offseason is when the age scandal dropped. Our 20 year old rookie was 24. He didn't want to be in Milwaukee, couldn't communicate with teammates and was a bad player on the floor. He needed the ball in his hands to operate, but he couldn't put the ball on the floor. Defensively he was absolutely lost. At a time when Euro bigs were painted as soft, Yi was the perfect portrait. Yi's greatest value was his marketability to the Chinese market. If he had any real value at all (more than a 2nd rounder) the Nets would have swung him themselves.

SupremeHustle · Post #57 » by **SupremeHustle** » Fri May 26, 2017 3:34 pm

Larry Drew.

Wait.

In retrospect, was it bad?

Post #58 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri May 26, 2017 5:19 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Larry Drew.

Wait.

In retrospect, was it bad?

No this was a good one.

Larry "I was calling Giannis the next Magic Johnson in training camp" Drew was the one who told Hammond in May of 2013 that Danny Ferry and the Hawks scouting staff loved Giannis and the Bucks needed to focus more on this guy.

M-C-G · Post #59 » by **M-C-G** » Fri May 26, 2017 5:25 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:Larry Drew.

Wait.

In retrospect, was it bad?

No this was a good one.

Larry "I was calling Giannis the next Magic Johnson in training camp" Drew was the one who told Hammond in May of 2013 that Danny Ferry and the Hawks scouting staff loved Giannis and the Bucks needed to focus more on this guy.

It's amazing how many people claim credit for Giannis;
Danny Ferry
Larry Drew
Babcock/McKinney
Weltman
Hammond

Anyone else want a piece of the pie?

SupremeHustle · Post #60 » by **SupremeHustle** » Fri May 26, 2017 7:18 pm

M-C-G wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:Larry Drew.

Wait.

In retrospect, was it bad?

No this was a good one.

Larry "I was calling Giannis the next Magic Johnson in training camp" Drew was the one who told Hammond in May of 2013 that Danny Ferry and the Hawks scouting staff loved Giannis and the Bucks needed to focus more on this guy.

It's amazing how many people claim credit for Giannis;
Danny Ferry
Larry Drew
Babcock/McKinney
Weltman
Hammond

Anyone else want a piece of the pie?