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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#281 » by Logan18 » Wed May 24, 2017 9:16 pm

SlayOrNay wrote:Anyone think of the possibility of trading down? I really don't like many of the prospect in our range except for OG Anunoby and we could get him much later in the draft. My Big board for our pick is to trade down and get OG and Giles if we can and Trade up in the second round to get Isaiah Hartenstein.

Personally I'd rather trade up in the draft or stay put. We already have too many assets, so I don't see a need to collect any additional picks or players. I actually don't think we'd be able to get OG later in the draft, I'm not even totally convinced he'll be there at 13, so if he's available I would jump on it.
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#282 » by skywalker33 » Thu May 25, 2017 4:43 am

With 6 players under the age of 23 (soon to at least 7), I'd say this is the year to trade up using our 2018 1st round draft pick (and whoever we can w/o touching our core). We're on the verge of a playoff spot and with 1/2 our roster being this young we need to utilize that pick to trade up and score a better young talent one more time to add to this core. If we can move up to get Isaac or Tatum to put next to Jokic, Murray and Harris we're on our way to being a team that can compete in 2-3 years. 2018 is supposed to be a stronger free agent class anyway, let's take advantage of what is around us, as we can keep (and probably will) our cap space to utilize while making this team a more attractive place for said freee agents.
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#283 » by NuggetsWY » Thu May 25, 2017 11:53 am

skywalker33 wrote:With 6 players under the age of 23 (soon to at least 7), I'd say this is the year to trade up using our 2018 1st round draft pick (and whoever we can w/o touching our core). We're on the verge of a playoff spot and with 1/2 our roster being this young we need to utilize that pick to trade up and score a better young talent one more time to add to this core. If we can move up to get Isaac or Tatum to put next to Jokic, Murray and Harris we're on our way to being a team that can compete in 2-3 years. 2018 is supposed to be a stronger free agent class anyway, let's take advantage of what is around us, as we can keep (and probably will) our cap space to utilize while making this team a more attractive place for said freee agents.

I've suggested before, this is the year to overpay for the scenario you are suggesting. We have lots of youth and most of our veterans are expendable now or will be in a year or two anyway. We have a reasonable number of draft picks and won't necessarily want/need them all over the next couple of years (although they'll still be nice to have). But trading up makes a ton of sense IMO.
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#284 » by NuggetsWY » Thu May 25, 2017 2:42 pm

skywalker33 wrote:Under 30 days for the draft fellas, need to pick it up here.

Give me your Nuggets Big Board for both the 1st and both 2nds in order please !!

Sorry, but I'm not great on college players and just don't want to spend the time it takes to do both rounds, but I'll give you the first round up to the Nuggets' #13.

#1 Bos Fultz
#2 LAL Ball
#3 Phi Jackson
#4 Phx Fox
#5 Sac Smith
#6 Orl Isaac
#7 Min Tatum
#8 NYK Monk
#9 Dal Ntilikina
10 Sac Markkanen
11 Cha Z.Collins
12 Det J.Allen
13 Den Anunoby -- If Anunoby is gone, I'd take any of the above mentioned players next, except for J.Allen. I'm not convinced his game fits into Denver's scheme. I'd probably take J.Collins as my next choice.


Sacramento is my first "issue". They have #5 & #10.

They need a SF and a PG. Which will they take first?

It seems there are six PGs that will go top-10 IMO and the seventh best PG isn't going to go until maybe around #20 at best. I'm not convinced there will be a top-six PG available at #10. So I think they have to take a PG at #5 but I'm wondering if they'll take Tatum or Isaac as BPA pick. Be careful at #10, they just might go for Anunoby if they do take a PG at #5. He maybe the best SF available.

I'm pretty sold on my top-9 but have no idea what order they will go in because their overall value seems rather even. #10-13 is rather iffy and I'm not going to even try to project past there. I see 4 players that seem to belong in these four slots and about six players that might slide into these slots.

With the above said, I'm expecting Portland to totally mess this up by combining picks and moving up. They just don't need all three picks. How high will they go? I have no idea but consider that Sacramento needs multiple players and they have #5 & #10 while NY needs everything from a new owner to the #15 slot (unless Porzingis stays). They have the #8 slot.
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#285 » by skywalker33 » Fri May 26, 2017 9:55 pm

Saw on DX that Anunoby was listed as a SF/PF and thought about him next to Juancho. Seems both could play either F position and how flexible our front court would be
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Post#286 » by NuggetsWY » Sat May 27, 2017 12:05 am

skywalker33 wrote:Saw on DX that Anunoby was listed as a SF/PF and thought about him next to Juancho. Seems both could play either F position and how flexible our front court would be

Players that can play two or more positions have great value in the modern NBA - that's for sure. Switching on pick-n-roll is so vital now - ability, length, and especially IQ are where it's at.
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#287 » by skywalker33 » Sat May 27, 2017 12:09 am

NuggetsWY wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:Saw on DX that Anunoby was listed as a SF/PF and thought about him next to Juancho. Seems both could play either F position and how flexible our front court would be

Players that can play two or more positions have great value in the modern NBA - that's for sure. Switching on pick-n-roll is so vital now - ability, length, and especially IQ are where it's at.


Well with OG's rumored 7'6" wingspan he coup even guard centers, coving for the Joker on defense. That kind of versatility would be impressive to say the least
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#288 » by skywalker33 » Sat May 27, 2017 12:12 am

Was roaming onto the CHA forum and they didn't seem overly impressed with Zach Collins who I see most mocks slotting there
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#289 » by NuggetsWY » Sat May 27, 2017 12:19 am

skywalker33 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:Saw on DX that Anunoby was listed as a SF/PF and thought about him next to Juancho. Seems both could play either F position and how flexible our front court would be

Players that can play two or more positions have great value in the modern NBA - that's for sure. Switching on pick-n-roll is so vital now - ability, length, and especially IQ are where it's at.


Well with OG's rumored 7'6" wingspan he coup even guard centers, coving for the Joker on defense. That kind of versatility would be impressive to say the least

If we can pick up a later 1st round and he's still there, I'd love to grab Giles too. Teams seem to be shying away from him. Perhaps his knees are too damaged, but I think he'd be worth the gamble. Not as fantastic a wingspan for his size, but he's taller and agile and him playing next to Anunoby would bring D to the Enver Nuggets!
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Post#290 » by NuggetsWY » Sat May 27, 2017 12:29 am

skywalker33 wrote:Was roaming onto the CHA forum and they didn't seem overly impressed with Zach Collins who I see most mocks slotting there

I understand why - they have Kaminsky and Zeller as their future bigs but Z.Collins plays above the rim more than either and we all know that having 3 quality seven-footers is not a bad thing. On the other hand, Charlotte has lots of needs, so ...
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#291 » by skywalker33 » Sat May 27, 2017 12:31 am

NuggetsWY wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:Players that can play two or more positions have great value in the modern NBA - that's for sure. Switching on pick-n-roll is so vital now - ability, length, and especially IQ are where it's at.


Well with OG's rumored 7'6" wingspan he coup even guard centers, coving for the Joker on defense. That kind of versatility would be impressive to say the least

If we can pick up a later 1st round and he's still there, I'd love to grab Giles too. Teams seem to be shying away from him. Perhaps his knees are too damaged, but I think he'd be worth the gamble. Not as fantastic a wingspan for his size, but he's taller and agile and him playing next to Anunoby would bring D to the Enver Nuggets!


Yeah we're on the same page there ! If we could pick up Giles with a pick in the 20's realistically what do you expect with a puck in that range other than a backup ? And if Giles returns to his old form what a steal !
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Post#292 » by NuggetsWY » Sat May 27, 2017 12:37 am

skywalker33 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Well with OG's rumored 7'6" wingspan he coup even guard centers, coving for the Joker on defense. That kind of versatility would be impressive to say the least

If we can pick up a later 1st round and he's still there, I'd love to grab Giles too. Teams seem to be shying away from him. Perhaps his knees are too damaged, but I think he'd be worth the gamble. Not as fantastic a wingspan for his size, but he's taller and agile and him playing next to Anunoby would bring D to the Enver Nuggets!


Yeah we're on the same page there ! If we could pick up Giles with a pick in the 20's realistically what do you expect with a puck in that range other than a backup ? And if Giles returns to his old form what a steal !

A pick at that range should be either a gamble or a backup and (coming from a fan of our young players) we all know that not all of our young players are going to become stars. The more young players we gamble on, the more apt we are to pick up a star. We do not need backups, we have plenty and players 11-15 can come from the D-League. I think we need to gamble on finding a potential starter for a championship contender. We get 3-5 of those guys and we're set. Do we have any yet? Jokic is a maybe. Murray is a hope-so. Harris is a quality starter on a contender but probably never the team-carrying star. Beasley? Who knows? Hernangomez? Who knows?
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#293 » by eathb_au » Sat May 27, 2017 3:34 pm

Zach Collins would be an awesome idea if it means letting Plumlee walk (yes I would let him walk).
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Post#294 » by skywalker33 » Sat May 27, 2017 4:49 pm

eathb_au wrote:Zach Collins would be an awesome idea if it means letting Plumlee walk (yes I would let him walk).


Gotta agree here, think he'd start off as Jokic's backup and work into the twin tower PF role the FO had in mind with Nurkic
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#295 » by NuggetsWY » Sat May 27, 2017 10:30 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
eathb_au wrote:Zach Collins would be an awesome idea if it means letting Plumlee walk (yes I would let him walk).


Gotta agree here, think he'd start off as Jokic's backup and work into the twin tower PF role the FO had in mind with Nurkic

and in the off season thread you were talking about having to play small-ball. :lol: I think we should be able to play both, so I'm on board with this. It would seem that with injuries and such, a team needs 3 big men with a couple of end-of-the-bench backups.
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Post#296 » by The Rebel » Sat May 27, 2017 11:21 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
eathb_au wrote:Zach Collins would be an awesome idea if it means letting Plumlee walk (yes I would let him walk).


Gotta agree here, think he'd start off as Jokic's backup and work into the twin tower PF role the FO had in mind with Nurkic

I agree, I have wanted Z Collins for weeks, but have a feeling they are looking more for a SF.
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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#297 » by Coeur » Sun May 28, 2017 5:06 am

I think Justin Jackson would be a ridiculous reach for #13. I like OG but even he may be a bit of a reach but I get wanting a sf. I also get not necessarily wanting a C or PG. luckily Collins and if you happened to consider Markkanen a C will both be off the board. So will fultz/Lonzo/smith and fox.


So taking off those 4 pg's, jj and Tatum, and Collins/markkanen. Then I don't think it's for sure but everyone seems so positive that monk/issac/frank N are also gone that's 11. So if those were the 11 first picks this is the board. Who else do you see as a lock for top 12? Any of my 11 you see available at 13? And who goes 12?

TJ Leaf- I think he's the pick
Frank Jackson- don't want PG that bad
Hartenstein
OG- I see why so many here focus on him
Unknown intl? Is ferguson realistic?
Kennard is a stretch here right?


How happy would you guys be with TJ Leaf?
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Post#298 » by Logan18 » Sun May 28, 2017 6:28 am

Coeur wrote:I think Justin Jackson would be a ridiculous reach for #13. I like OG but even he may be a bit of a reach but I get wanting a sf. I also get not necessarily wanting a C or PG. luckily Collins and if you happened to consider Markkanen a C will both be off the board. So will fultz/Lonzo/smith and fox.


So taking off those 4 pg's, jj and Tatum, and Collins/markkanen. Then I don't think it's for sure but everyone seems so positive that monk/issac/frank N are also gone that's 11. So if those were the 11 first picks this is the board. Who else do you see as a lock for top 12? Any of my 11 you see available at 13? And who goes 12?

TJ Leaf- I think he's the pick
Frank Jackson- don't want PG that bad
Hartenstein
OG- I see why so many here focus on him
Unknown intl? Is ferguson realistic?
Kennard is a stretch here right?


How happy would you guys be with TJ Leaf?

TJ Leaf would be an awful pick imo. He's Not good on defense right now, and has limited room for improvement. The Nuggets REALLY need defense, so I don't see him as a realistic target for us. If Collins drops to us, take him. If Collins is gone, I'm picking either OG Or Donovan Mitchell. I was 100% on the OG train a couple weeks ago, but I think I'm almost starting to lean towards Mitchell. He plays great defense, has an insane wingspan (6'10) for a 6'3 combo guard, and has the potential to be a good offensive player. Having him, Beasley, and Harris would give us a strong core of perimeter defenders for the coming years. If Mitchell is the pick, I think it's important to resign Gallo, which seems likely to happen anyways.


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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#299 » by Logan18 » Sun May 28, 2017 6:38 am

Also, i think we need to do everything in our power to trade back into the first round to get Jordan bell. Dudes an animal, and we could probably get him in the mid to late 20s. I highly recommend watching his draftexpress video on YouTube, and imagining what he would look like next to Nikola Jokic. He'd bring the rim protection that Nikola lacks, and Nikola would reward his effort with passes and lobs to the rim. I genuinely think they would be the perfect front court duo.

Link to his video: https://youtu.be/NyvpZNlNnAo


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Re: 2017 Draft 

Post#300 » by Coeur » Sun May 28, 2017 8:41 am

Logan18 wrote:
Coeur wrote:I think Justin Jackson would be a ridiculous reach for #13. I like OG but even he may be a bit of a reach but I get wanting a sf. I also get not necessarily wanting a C or PG. luckily Collins and if you happened to consider Markkanen a C will both be off the board. So will fultz/Lonzo/smith and fox.


So taking off those 4 pg's, jj and Tatum, and Collins/markkanen. Then I don't think it's for sure but everyone seems so positive that monk/issac/frank N are also gone that's 11. So if those were the 11 first picks this is the board. Who else do you see as a lock for top 12? Any of my 11 you see available at 13? And who goes 12?

TJ Leaf- I think he's the pick
Frank Jackson- don't want PG that bad
Hartenstein
OG- I see why so many here focus on him
Unknown intl? Is ferguson realistic?
Kennard is a stretch here right?


How happy would you guys be with TJ Leaf?

TJ Leaf would be an awful pick imo. He's Not good on defense right now, and has limited room for improvement. The Nuggets REALLY need defense, so I don't see him as a realistic target for us. If Collins drops to us, take him. If Collins is gone, I'm picking either OG Or Donovan Mitchell. I was 100% on the OG train a couple weeks ago, but I think I'm almost starting to lean towards Mitchell. He plays great defense, has an insane wingspan (6'10) for a 6'3 combo guard, and has the potential to be a good offensive player. Having him, Beasley, and Harris would give us a strong core of perimeter defenders for the coming years. If Mitchell is the pick, I think it's important to resign Gallo, which seems likely to happen anyways.


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Well I think you're way wrong on Leaf but I really hadn't watched much of Donovan Mitchell but wow as far as highlight video scouting. He def should be in consideration. If teams think he can play pg he could be a top 10 pick. What a great guard class. I'm just hoping nugs aren't the team that drafts frank N though he could prove me wrong and be a stud

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