2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[Badgerlander]

What do you think about Dorsey?

Think he's a great second round get. One of the best shooters in the draft and while somewhat undersized for the 2 he has the handles and the ability in the PnR to play some 1, especially if your team has one or multiple ballhandlers on other positions. He gets to the FT-line a lot which may or may not translate, but even if that doesn't translate he's still usefull. He's also not that bad defensively that he has to be hidden, especially if defending 1's.

exactly, love him. His off the dribble 3pt shooting is something that we desperately need on this team

That's a lot of shots. Is that a typical practice routine for you?
My typical practice session at Eugene is: I would come an hour before practice and get a workout in, then stay another 30 minutes after practice and get more shots up. Make about 200 3s. Then I would go to tutoring or class or whatever was on the schedule, and then at night I would come back and make about 500 more 3s on a shooting machine, and just repeat that every day.
You put so many hours in the gym, you know what you're going to do in the game. That gives me confidence and that builds my confidence. In the game, it comes easy to me. It slows down. I can get my points where I want to and use those moves I've been working on. The hours in the gym make the game easy.

[Ruzious]

I'd like to see the Bucks trade down a little because there's so much depth at the end of the first round/beginning of the second round - and I'm not comfortable at 17 - where I'm nervous the Bucks settle for someone like Kennard. One option is trade 17 to Orlando for 25 and 35. Then they can be sure to get the defensive stopper - Jordan Bell - and one of Derrick White or absurdly underrated Josh Hart. And take a guy like Frank Mason or Monte Morris at the end. I guess I'd like to end up with Bell, Hart, and Mason. If we're building around Giannis and Parker, having a guy like Bell to match up against the opposition's top front-court scorer makes so much sense. Middleton, Brogdon, and Hart - all interchangable parts depending on matchups. Mason adds a 3 point shooter who can match up against the annoying little PGs in the NBA.

[Fotis St]

Fun with Hoop math









The best PGs can shoot at all 3 levels, at the rim, 2pt Jumpers, and 3s. This chart is sorted by number of 2pt Js. Notice stuff like Evans most shots at the rim but worst fg%, Ball highest fg% but fewest shots, etc.

I was watching Jawun Evans stats too ...
Yes his %at the rim is 50% the worse but next column is the assisted at the rim and he had only 6 .... so Jawun made above 95% of his @rim by himself driving using his handles. That is a positive and his game fits. Will these % fall in the NBA, probably but what if he will improve? He definitely has to improve his conditioning and he has the BBIQ to improve everyone around him. I am torn with his plus and minus, but I love his game.

One other player I checked was Dennis Smith Jr. I read somewhere that he is overrated and not elite in anything ... his stats almost confirm ...

[LuessiT]

I'd like to see the Bucks trade down a little because there's so much depth at the end of the first round/beginning of the second round - and I'm not comfortable at 17 - where I'm nervous the Bucks settle for someone like Kennard. One option is trade 17 to Orlando for 25 and 35. Then they can be sure to get the defensive stopper - Jordan Bell - and one of Derrick White or absurdly underrated Josh Hart. And take a guy like Frank Mason or Monte Morris at the end. I guess I'd like to end up with Bell, Hart, and Mason. If we're building around Giannis and Parker, having a guy like Bell to match up against the opposition's top front-court scorer makes so much sense. Middleton, Brogdon, and Hart - all interchangable parts depending on matchups. Mason adds a 3 point shooter who can match up against the annoying little PGs in the NBA.

Are you sure Bell lasts till 25? Cause I am not. I have him top 20 on my board rn. Trading down based on some DX mock is really risky. You might loose the guy you like.

[LuessiT]

Fun with Hoop math









The best PGs can shoot at all 3 levels, at the rim, 2pt Jumpers, and 3s. This chart is sorted by number of 2pt Js. Notice stuff like Evans most shots at the rim but worst fg%, Ball highest fg% but fewest shots, etc.

I was watching Jawun Evans stats too ...
Yes his %at the rim is 50% the worse but next column is the assisted at the rim and he had only 5 .... so Jawun made above 97% of his @rim by himself driving using his handles. That is a positive and his game fits. Will these % fall in the NBA, probably but what if he will improve? He definitely has to improve his conditioning and he has the BBIQ to improve everyone around him. I am torn with his plus and minus, but I love his game.

One other player I checked was Dennis Smith Jr. I read somewhere that he is overrated and not elite in anything ... his stats almost confirm ...

That is not a positive. You can read that stat as how often is the guy a threat as a cutter/lob target etc.. And the result is: Not often. At best you say 'Yeah I don't care about my ball-handling point guard not being a good cutter' but it's certainly not a positive. Come on man, your bias towards certain prospects is so obvious.

[M-C-G]

I'd like to see the Bucks trade down a little because there's so much depth at the end of the first round/beginning of the second round - and I'm not comfortable at 17 - where I'm nervous the Bucks settle for someone like Kennard. One option is trade 17 to Orlando for 25 and 35. Then they can be sure to get the defensive stopper - Jordan Bell - and one of Derrick White or absurdly underrated Josh Hart. And take a guy like Frank Mason or Monte Morris at the end. I guess I'd like to end up with Bell, Hart, and Mason. If we're building around Giannis and Parker, having a guy like Bell to match up against the opposition's top front-court scorer makes so much sense. Middleton, Brogdon, and Hart - all interchangable parts depending on matchups. Mason adds a 3 point shooter who can match up against the annoying little PGs in the NBA.

If we did that (players available on DX)
25 - Frank Jackson
33 - Ojeleye or Iwundu
48 - Thornwell or Hart

Yeah, I'd be pretty happy

Moose opts out, resign Snell to a reasonable deal
PG: Brog, Delly, Jackson
SG: Snell, Thornwell, Vaughn
SF: Middleton, Ojeleye, Parker
PF: Giannis, Mirza
C: Thon, Henson, Hawes

Sign one of Patrick Patterson, Jerebko, Humprhies, Ersan and try to move Henson (would love to package him in some way for Biyombo, like Henson/Delly or Telly for Biyombo/Wastson)

[Fotis St]

No bias ... It is clear that he can get to the paint whenever he wants cause of his handles... Brogdon and Delly can't. Brogdon though is a really good straight line finisher at the rim using his length. My last words is that I am torn by Jawun's plus and minus..

On the other hand check Lonzo Ball's assisted at the rim ... 50% assisted ... his team was using Lonzo often probably in backdoor sets... or post ups

[GFreak34]

Hartenstein is the big prize if we can get him at #17
Dorsey would be a great pick too

[LuessiT]

No bias ... It is clear that he can get to the paint whenever he wants cause of his handles... Brogdon and Delly can't. Brogdon though is a really good straight line finisher at the rim using his length. My last words is that I am torn by Jawun's plus and minus..

On the other hand check Lonzo Ball's assisted at the rim ... 50% assisted ... his team was using Lonzo often probably in backdoor sets...

But that stat doesn't tell you that. That stat tells you how often he's been assisted in his FG-attempts at the rim. And the result is: Not often. It doesn't tell you anything else. You interpret the stat wrongly to praise your guy.

[M-C-G]

Good read

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-3-and-d-prospects-41d14ea486b5

[Fotis St]

No bias ... It is clear that he can get to the paint whenever he wants cause of his handles... Brogdon and Delly can't. Brogdon though is a really good straight line finisher at the rim using his length. My last words is that I am torn by Jawun's plus and minus..

On the other hand check Lonzo Ball's assisted at the rim ... 50% assisted ... his team was using Lonzo often probably in backdoor sets...

But that stat doesn't tell you that. That stat tells you how often he's been assisted in his FG-attempts at the rim. And the result is: Not often. It doesn't tell you anything else. You interpret the stat wrongly to praise your guy.

I don't get it. Can you help me?
If his FGA are not assisted ... how did he get there?

[bizarro]

Good read

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-3-and-d-prospects-41d14ea486b5

Indeed! Thanks for the read.

I really appreciated this line about trying to find the untapped '3 and D' prospect:

"... but trying to fix a jump shot in basketball is about as hard as trying to fix someone in a relationship."

[Badgerlander]

No bias ... It is clear that he can get to the paint whenever he wants cause of his handles... Brogdon and Delly can't. Brogdon though is a really good straight line finisher at the rim using his length. My last words is that I am torn by Jawun's plus and minus..

On the other hand check Lonzo Ball's assisted at the rim ... 50% assisted ... his team was using Lonzo often probably in backdoor sets...

But that stat doesn't tell you that. That stat tells you how often he's been assisted in his FG-attempts at the rim. And the result is: Not often. It doesn't tell you anything else. You interpret the stat wrongly to praise your guy.

I don't get it. Can you help me?
If his FGA are not assisted ... how did he get there?

Just realize that it's even harder to finish at the rim in the NBA. Brogdon was 60.5% at the rim in his last year at college and only 55.6% this year in the NBA. Evans can get anywhere he wants to on the floor but he struggles at the rim and his jumper is pretty average at best. I think he will struggle with efficiency in the NBA

[skones]

But that stat doesn't tell you that. That stat tells you how often he's been assisted in his FG-attempts at the rim. And the result is: Not often. It doesn't tell you anything else. You interpret the stat wrongly to praise your guy.

I don't get it. Can you help me?
If his FGA are not assisted ... how did he get there?

Just realize that it's even harder to finish at the rim in the NBA. Brogdon was 60.5% at the rim in his last year at college and only 55.6% this year in the NBA. Evans can get anywhere he wants to on the floor but he struggles at the rim and his jumper is pretty average at best. I think he will struggle with efficiency in the NBA

I do think his ability to get to the line offsets a lot of this. The adjustment he made between his freshman and sophomore seasons in seeking out contact paid dividends for him.

[LuessiT]

I really want Frank Jackson. He's creeping up on my board quite a bit.

[Baddy Chuck]

I really want Frank Jackson. He's creeping up on my board quite a bit.

Honestly, I agree.

[Prez]

Frank is awesome and he's been my #1 option at 17 for a while now but I'm guessing he has a promise from some team already. I don't think he's even worked out for us right? It sucks ass but I don't think he's seriously in the conversation for our pick.

[Badgerlander]

I really want Frank Jackson. He's creeping up on my board quite a bit.

Honestly, I agree.

Young, athletic, efficient, need...checks every box

[Rockmaninoff]

Frank is awesome and he's been my #1 option at 17 for a while now but I'm guessing he has a promise from some team already. I don't think he's even worked out for us right? It sucks ass but I don't think he's seriously in the conversation for our pick.

He shut down workouts for everyone. Rumored that we have interest. Charlotte also.

[Fotis St]

What a weird draft class

From #12 - #60 ....... it is like "pick your poison"