2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

mattg · Post #121 » by **mattg** » Sat May 27, 2017 1:00 am

Negative interest in jawun Evans. Little guards need to be lightning quick and be good shooters to excel in the NBA. Evans is neither of those things. To me he's a 2nd round flier pick but undraftable in the first. There's so many better options in the mid first for guards.

Rockmaninoff · Post #122 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Sat May 27, 2017 1:22 am

Based on players available at or after picks in current DX mock:

17:

Frank Jackson
Tony Bradley
Thomas Bryant
TJ Leaf
Jarrett Allen

Also ran:

Bam Adebayo - if he wanted to be a center

John Collins / Ivan Rabb - if they could shoot / pass

Tyler Lydon - if he played defense

Harry Giles - if he didn't have busted knees

48:

Alpha Kaba
Tyler Dorsey
Cameron Oliver
Troy Caupain
Aleksander Veznekov

SupremeHustle · Post #123 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sat May 27, 2017 2:02 am

Still doing research. By that I mean looking at DX videos. Leaf reminds me of Tom Gugliotta.

That's all for now.

Bucks2585 · Post #124 » by **Bucks2585** » Sat May 27, 2017 2:22 am

IM early at the o ointment where if we trade down for 2 late first/late first early 2nd, I'd just go Tyler Dorsey and Josh Hart. They bring clear NBA skills, they fit in the roster, everything about them fits our team it seems. Dorsey you try and develop like a Brogdon/Delladova PG, extremely effective off ball. Hart just seems like the smart type of SG that you can plug in any lineup and he will make winning plays. Throw in maybe a Frank Mason at 48 and then just run with the lineup of:

PG: Delly/Dorsey/Mason
SG: Brogdon/Hart

Makes Snell expendable, but even if you bring him back, you can play him and Middleton at SF more too while Giannis gets the PF minutes and some smal ball center minutes if Monroe leaves

VooDoo7 · Post #125 » by **VooDoo7** » Sat May 27, 2017 2:28 am

So, can someone shed more light on Frank Jackson's foot injury? How serious is it really? Chances of giving him issues down the line?

Bucks2585 · Post #126 » by **Bucks2585** » Sat May 27, 2017 2:37 am

VooDoo7 wrote:So, can someone shed more light on Frank Jackson's foot injury? How serious is it really? Chances of giving him issues down the line?

Considering he had the surgery after the combine and the workouts and has been playing on it, the idea is some team has given him a draft promise which is why he elected to have it now

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #127 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Sat May 27, 2017 2:46 am

M-C-G wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:Fun with Hoop math

The best PGs can shoot at all 3 levels, at the rim, 2pt Jumpers, and 3s. This chart is sorted by number of 2pt Js. Notice stuff like Evans most shots at the rim but worst fg%, Ball highest fg% but fewest shots, etc.

Derek White and Frank Mason look damn solid across all three levels if I followed those charts correctly

Frank Mason really needs to be on this team

I truly think he's gonna be one of those guys GM's are going to be kicking themselves for passing on him.

LuessiT · Post #128 » by **LuessiT** » Sat May 27, 2017 3:33 am

VooDoo7 wrote:So, can someone shed more light on Frank Jackson's foot injury? How serious is it really? Chances of giving him issues down the line?

Apparently a mini stress fracture that may or may not have needed surgery. He probably got a promise he liked and opted to go for the surgery. No risk of the injury affecting his play at all.

Gianstoppable · Post #129 » by **Gianstoppable** » Sat May 27, 2017 4:20 am

If only we would have had a late 1st just laying around still, this would have been the draft to have a late 1st. At least we didn't have one and trade it away for a non needle moving deal.

Now, if we could find a way to get a late 1st again I'd go Frank Jackson #17 Thomas Bryant/Jeanne late 1st and Frank Mason at 48 and hope he's still there

Gianstoppable · Post #130 » by **Gianstoppable** » Sat May 27, 2017 4:41 am

Iwundu would be great in the 2nd as well, haven't heard much about him but a 6'7 SG with a 7 foot plus reach is attractive, needs to work on his jumper a bit but already a good defender.

emunney · Post #131 » by **emunney** » Sat May 27, 2017 5:01 am

LuessiT wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:So, can someone shed more light on Frank Jackson's foot injury? How serious is it really? Chances of giving him issues down the line?

Apparently a mini stress fracture that may or may not have needed surgery. He probably got a promise he liked and opted to go for the surgery. No risk of the injury affecting his play at all.

I feel like elective foot surgery is a bad idea.

LuessiT · Post #132 » by **LuessiT** » Sat May 27, 2017 6:08 am

emunney wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:So, can someone shed more light on Frank Jackson's foot injury? How serious is it really? Chances of giving him issues down the line?

Apparently a mini stress fracture that may or may not have needed surgery. He probably got a promise he liked and opted to go for the surgery. No risk of the injury affecting his play at all.

I feel like elective foot surgery is a bad idea.

I mean it really depends on the injury. That said the recovery time is supposed to be like 2 month so I doubt it's anything major. Hard to tell from the outside perspective.

drone3 · Post #133 » by **drone3** » Sat May 27, 2017 8:23 am

Found this on the Duke board for Luke Kennard.

Love him to death. Just an unreal offensive player, every skill you could imagine. But he really is re worst defender I've ever seen at Duke. I'm actually shocked that K allows it. K 10yrs ago wouldn't have IMO.
I've paid close attention to it the last handful of games and I attribute it to low defensive IQ, ball watching and effort. This needs to be looked at IMO.
It's frustrating because he has the offensive skills that you dream of in a basketball player.

RiotPunch · Post #134 » by **RiotPunch** » Sat May 27, 2017 8:30 am

drone3 wrote:Found this on the Duke board for Luke Kennard.

Love him to death. Just an unreal offensive player, every skill you could imagine. But he really is re worst defender I've ever seen at Duke. I'm actually shocked that K allows it. K 10yrs ago wouldn't have IMO.
I've paid close attention to it the last handful of games and I attribute it to low defensive IQ, ball watching and effort. This needs to be looked at IMO.
It's frustrating because he has the offensive skills that you dream of in a basketball player.

That sums him up pretty well. I'd love to add his shooting, but there isn't a word for him in the English language in regards to his defense. Liability is giving him too much credit.

Fotis St · Post #135 » by **Fotis St** » Sat May 27, 2017 9:11 am

My new #17 is Isaiah Hartenstein

Plan : Draft the best possible big #17, at #48 there will be a good guard waiting.

Requirements for the Big: Mobile,as tall possible, mid range game with potential 3pt range, rim protector/good FT shooter, NBA Ready body, good passer is a plus. I pass on volleyball players with rim protection and 50-60% FT.

So at #17 Isaiah Hartenstein checks my requirements.
I think he is close to Vucevic with some potential to be a better rim protector,better handles and faster.
Watch in the video his "Kevin Love to Lebron full court pass". His body is NBA Ready, but he can get it better.

Watch on YouTube

My #48 Frank Mason/Tyler Dorsey ... a good guard will be waiting, we draft the best guard available.

Baddy Chuck · Post #136 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat May 27, 2017 9:19 am

I think you have a new #17 every minute

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I'd back Hartenstein though.

Fotis St · Post #137 » by **Fotis St** » Sat May 27, 2017 9:29 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:I think you have a new #17 every minute .

I'd back Hartenstein though.

Forgive me Bucks posters. Torn with this draft class. Too many eye popping flaws on most below 12. Doing my best.

Hartenstein has a flaw. It is his % @Rim, finishing through contact, but while getting stronger he will figure it out.
His flaw can be "covered" by his mid range game, 3pt range, and his FT%.
Potential Mobile Stretch 5, any time you get a chance to draft one, you get em, too rare.

M-C-G · Post #138 » by **M-C-G** » Sat May 27, 2017 12:29 pm

Fotis St wrote:My new #17 is Isaiah Hartenstein

Plan : Draft the best possible big #17, at #48 there will be a good guard waiting.

Requirements for the Big: Mobile,as tall possible, mid range game with potential 3pt range, rim protector/good FT shooter, NBA Ready body, good passer is a plus. I pass on volleyball players with rim protection and 50-60% FT.

So at #17 Isaiah Hartenstein checks my requirements.
I think he is close to Vucevic with some potential to be a better rim protector,better handles and faster.
Watch in the video his "Kevin Love to Lebron full court pass". His body is NBA Ready, but he can get it better.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

My #48 Frank Mason/Tyler Dorsey ... a good guard will be waiting, we draft the best guard available.

I am a big fan and he tends to come in and out of my top 5. More because there are so many good options. I do think he is maybe the most likely prospect for people to say in two years "how did he last so long in the draft"

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Badgerlander · Post #139 » by **Badgerlander** » Sat May 27, 2017 12:42 pm

Hartenstein was a train wreck at the hoop summit, aggressive for sure but nah

Ill-yasova · Post #140 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sat May 27, 2017 12:47 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Still doing research. By that I mean looking at DX videos. Leaf reminds me of Tom Gugliotta.

That's all for now.

Where can I go to follow your scouting blog?