Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Gurton Buster]

Random scenario that probably doesn't happen, Wolves offer Wiggins for #1 pick. We'd take it wouldnt we? He's good but they don't seem to win for some reason. Don't see a lot of Wiggins tho. Hasn't quiet lived up to the hype yet.

No thank you

[Darthlukey]

The problem with investing big money in a traditional center is they'd still be unplayable whenever the Cavs or Dubs go small. Adding a situational big will help though -- someone not named Tyler Zeller (or aging Amir or soft Kelly) that we could throw in there just to bang bodies in the paint whenever Thompson/Gortat/Lopez are on the floor. Eventually that could be Zizic, but trading for/signing a cheap-ish vet big this offseason would be great as Ante gets his feet wet. Ideally, you want bigs that can switch on to or trap guards and are able to recover back into the paint to protect the rim. But those don't grow on trees. (Nerlens Noel was my guy coming into last season.)

After we get our free agent (preferably Hayward) we should deal for Chandler. His 13 mil seems like a bargain if you consider we've been paying Amir and Zeller 20 mil, and Chandler can give us better numbers and quality minutes than the two of them combined.

He's one option if he can stay upright the next couple of seasons. I thought he did fine last season. I'm afraid McDonough no longer wants to deal with Danny or he's set a higher price when dealing with the Cs after the IT trade. We supposedly went after PJ Tucker but Ryan dealt him to Toronto instead for a bag of chips (which Sully already ate before it got to Phoenix).

Do you ever get the feeling that Danny may slowly get blacklisted by teams and making trades because he has made out like a bandit several times? Some deals looked pretty average for the Celtics at the time but have come good over time and other GMs have been made to look pretty poor

[Banks2Pierce]

Having a ton of trouble identifying a good Bradley trade if we know Hayward is coming and Philly's not interested in AB.

Coming to the conclusion that we'll probably need to stack things to get a decent value.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Having a ton of trouble identifying a good Bradley trade if we know Hayward is coming and Philly's not interested in AB.

Coming to the conclusion that we'll probably need to stack things to get a decent value.

Bradley to the Clippers as part of a S&T deal for Griffin. Re-signed Olynyk, Bradley, 2020 Clippers First, perhaps Zeller or Rozier,
maybe the Memphis First, even Crowder or Yabu... any ways, Ainge can put something creative together, and LAC
may be losing Reddick to Free Agency, so there is a place for Bradley there.

My guess, Ainge will try to hit a Grand Slam by bringing in both Hayward and Griffin, so S&T for one or both of them
would make a lot of sense - the Clips could use Bradley and the Jazz would be a good fit for Crowder.

[Darthlukey]

Having a ton of trouble identifying a good Bradley trade if we know Hayward is coming and Philly's not interested in AB.

Coming to the conclusion that we'll probably need to stack things to get a decent value.

Wolves (current or future first) or Clippers (long term future first)

[sam_I_am]

Crowder, Smart, Jaylen, Rozier and picks (hopefully not 2018 nets pick) for George. Sign Haywood. Draft Fultz. Nader and Jackson as backups to Bradley/Haywood, George/Haywood, IT/Fultz is fine when you have that kind of top line talent. If there was a way to do this and hold KO with QO I would but I think it's impossible. Guershon/George, Horford/Zizac is thin so I would resign Jerebko with MLE - he would be perfect. Then go get guys like a Zaza type veteran ring chaser.

[FlatearthZorro]

Crowder, Smart, Jaylen, Rozier and picks (hopefully not 2018 nets pick) for George. Sign Haywood. Draft Fultz. Nader and Jackson as backups to Bradley/Haywood, George/Haywood, IT/Fultz is fine when you have that kind of top line talent. If there was a way to do this and hold KO with QO I would but I think it's impossible. Guershon/George, Horford/Zizac is thin so I would resign Jerebko with MLE - he would be perfect. Then go get guys like a Zaza type veteran ring chaser.

Why would we sign Brandon Haywood? He's 38 years old and already won his title with the Mavs. Seems like u wanna put him in as a core piece.

[Ducklett]

Where do you guys think you would start a trade for Vucevic at assets wise? I assume the Magic are going to a tear it down and build through the draft with new GM/PBO now installed in this scenario.

[Green89]

Crowder, Smart, Jaylen, Rozier and picks (hopefully not 2018 nets pick) for George. Sign Haywood. Draft Fultz. Nader and Jackson as backups to Bradley/Haywood, George/Haywood, IT/Fultz is fine when you have that kind of top line talent. If there was a way to do this and hold KO with QO I would but I think it's impossible. Guershon/George, Horford/Zizac is thin so I would resign Jerebko with MLE - he would be perfect. Then go get guys like a Zaza type veteran ring chaser.

Why would we sign Brandon Haywood? He's 38 years old and already won his title with the Mavs. Seems like u wanna put him in as a core piece.

Nah, he ment Spencer Haywood, but he's even older and has his ring, too.

[sam_I_am]

Crowder, Smart, Jaylen, Rozier and picks (hopefully not 2018 nets pick) for George. Sign Haywood. Draft Fultz. Nader and Jackson as backups to Bradley/Haywood, George/Haywood, IT/Fultz is fine when you have that kind of top line talent. If there was a way to do this and hold KO with QO I would but I think it's impossible. Guershon/George, Horford/Zizac is thin so I would resign Jerebko with MLE - he would be perfect. Then go get guys like a Zaza type veteran ring chaser.

Why would we sign Brandon Haywood? He's 38 years old and already won his title with the Mavs. Seems like u wanna put him in as a core piece.

Nah, he ment Spencer Haywood, but he's even older and has his ring, too.

Wow this joke is getting old. But at least I won't misspell again out of fear of seeing it again.

[Green89]

Why would we sign Brandon Haywood? He's 38 years old and already won his title with the Mavs. Seems like u wanna put him in as a core piece.

Nah, he ment Spencer Haywood, but he's even older and has his ring, too.

Wow this joke is getting old. But at least I won't misspell again out of fear of seeing it again.

Nah, as long as people keep butchering Hayward's name, it will be as fresh as this dude:

[sam_I_am]

Nah, he ment Spencer Haywood, but he's even older and has his ring, too.

Wow this joke is getting old. But at least I won't misspell again out of fear of seeing it again.

Nah, as long as people keep butchering Hayward's name, it will be as fresh as this dude:

Nah, nothing can be as fresh as Will Smith. But you can count on me butchering his name for years if he is a Celtic!

[Green89]

Nah, nothing can be as fresh as Will Smith. But you can count on me butchering his name for years if he is a Celtic!

It must be the Boston dialect where Hayward just sounds like Haywood, with the "R" sound dropped.

[Slax]

Do you ever get the feeling that Danny may slowly get blacklisted by teams and making trades because he has made out like a bandit several times? Some deals looked pretty average for the Celtics at the time but have come good over time and other GMs have been made to look pretty poor

The Brooklyn picks and the IT trade massively screwed over other teams, but Danny makes a lot of trades, and most of them are neutral or mutually beneficial to the other team. For example, getting Al Jefferson and Delonte West and draft picks was not awful return for KG, who only had a few years left as a top player in the league and was playing on a garbage team. And Danny even played kingmaker two separate times - once by getting Sheed to the Pistons and getting back the first round pick that became Tony Allen, and a second time more recently by giving the Cavs enough cap space to sign LeBron in exchange for the draft pick that we flipped for IT. If other teams don't want to end up screwing themselves over like Brooklyn and Phoenix, they just need to do a better job at evaluating their own assets. There are plenty examples of teams trading with us and making out well.

[Gant]

Paul George — The Celtics have been interested in him for a while, but George essentially took himself off the market last February when he let it be known he would either stay in Indiana to compete for a title or leave for the Lakers when he can opt out after next season. Much like in the Kevin Garnett case, if he’d be willing to come to Boston and stay, the Celts would put together a big offer.

Jimmy Butler — He’s been a Celtic target for two years at least, but word from around the league is that he’s become more of a “for the right price” guy. That could obviously be said about anyone, but the belief is that others like George are bigger prizes.

There's another indicator about the high price of Jimmy Butler. George is dependent upon a commitment, but is a more realistic trade target.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/05/bulpett_closer_look_at_possible_changes_to_celtics_roster_for_2017_18

[165bows]

Having a ton of trouble identifying a good Bradley trade if we know Hayward is coming and Philly's not interested in AB.

Coming to the conclusion that we'll probably need to stack things to get a decent value.

Bradley to the Clippers as part of a S&T deal for Griffin. Re-signed Olynyk, Bradley, 2020 Clippers First, perhaps Zeller or Rozier,
maybe the Memphis First, even Crowder or Yabu... any ways, Ainge can put something creative together, and LAC
may be losing Reddick to Free Agency, so there is a place for Bradley there.

My guess, Ainge will try to hit a Grand Slam by bringing in both Hayward and Griffin, so S&T for one or both of them
would make a lot of sense - the Clips could use Bradley and the Jazz would be a good fit for Crowder.

That double FA scenario was my favorite move, but looking farther down the road is likely incompatible unless both Thomas and Bradley are leaving.

In AB, landing a mega-haul for him is starting to look like job number 2 for the season once the draft/FA is settled. I like him a lot but the writing looks like it's on the wall. Philly, LAC, and Utah as you mentioned or Minny is a good possibility. Dark horses are the Lakers or Spurs, or even less likely GS if they do something drastic.

Quite a few possibilities. Pros to doing it in the offseason is it makes a FA signing easier and gives Bradley the opportunity for a big pay bump if a team has cap space. Minuses are uncertainty in how ready the rest of the back court is with youth and Thomas' injury.
Edit - could add Portland to the list if they wanted to split Lillard/McCollum up for a more defensive option.

[max powers]

Draft Fultz

Trade Bradley and Crowder + 2018 Brooklyn top 2 protected (if top 2 Knicks receive Boston 2018, Boston 2019 + Memphis 2019?+ Clippers) for Porzingis and Lance Thomas, works in the checker.

[max powers]

and sign Hayward

[Celtics29]

What do you guys think about DA trading back into the top 10 or so to draft Markkanen after we get Fultz at #1? Is a Crowder + our 2018 pick for Dallas's pick this year fair? Just something to consider.

[canman1971]

What do you guys think about DA trading back into the top 10 or so to draft Markkanen after we get Fultz at #1? Is a Crowder + our 2018 pick for Dallas's pick this year fair? Just something to consider.

If you are talking about the Celtics pick next year, sure, but not the BKN pick. And I don't think Crowder and a pick in the 20s next year gets you in the top ten this year.