RealGM 2017 Fan Forum Mock Draft - DAL #9

[Yennefer]

Monk would be perfect, but I doubt he falls to #9.

[Teffer10]

Monk would be perfect, but I doubt he falls to #9.

Just curious why you would think Monk would be perfect...not sure he'd give us much more than what Curry will going forward.
I know we can trade Curry, which is what I'm sure would happen if we pick Monk, but not sure what his value would be.

[Darren]

Monk, then I would teach him to play PG

Monk is talented no doubt, but I know many have hoped and said the same for Jarryd Bayless, Randy Foye, leo Barbosa, Eric Gordon, etc. Not really all that teachable imo

Monk has a bizarre stats line. He can score 50 a game but he only averages less than 20 PPG. He's athletic. But he can't rebound, steal or block to his advantage. Nor can he play adequate defense. And he can't convert layups at good rate. From highlights, he gets blocked quite often. He's a really short wingspan at 6"6. He can't play PG. And he scores mostly one-on-one. I wonder if he plays better than Seth Curry. Is he as dumb as McGee IQ-wise? It is impossible to underachieve with those athleticism and skillsets. Or is he tanking to the 9th pick for us? For the time being, I'd rather trade for multiple picks or established young PG. Quite clearly, I want Rubio or Bledsoe more than him.

Similar scenario is on Markkanen. While he's grifted on the offensive end, he struggles everything defensively. He sounds like Anthony Davis with better shots and dribbles offensively while he's as awful as Kanter, Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson and so on. He can't really rebound or defense. He plays much smaller than his size. If he can defend SF effectively, I may consider him, though.

Both players have excellent potential despite serious concerns. Monk has a better chance to be able to contribute on both end. But still, I don't think highly of either player.

[JamesConway]

This is what I'd consider the worst case. Which sounds really bad, but when you're still able to pick one of Markkanen/Monk then that's still darn good value in pretty much any other draft year. Neither one is among my preferred choices, but I'd pick the Kentucky-guard and be happy about it. Monk is still lightyears more talented than any of our young players not named Barnes or Noel. The fit isn't great and I have some legitimate concerns re building around/with Monk, but if that's how the draft plays out then so be it.

I'm pretty much 100% against trading down or trading the pick for a vet. We need the best young talent we can get for as long as possible Imo. You're not doing that by picking 6 spots later or taking on Rubio/Bledsoe for 1-2 seasons before they can walk in FA. And if there's a player or two they like then just do the one thing you've not cared about for pretty much a full decade -- and that's to invest assets into the draft. There are plenty of other ways of acquiring additional picks outside of decreasing your own draft position. It may hurt our chances to acquire FAs if we were to absorb a bad deal or two but I'd happily do that if there is someone available who could help with the rebuild.

[Pointguard01]

This is what I'd consider the worst case. Which sounds really bad, but when you're still able to pick one of Markkanen/Monk then that's still darn good value in pretty much any other draft year. Neither one is among my preferred choices, but I'd pick the Kentucky-guard and be happy about it. Monk is still lightyears more talented than any of our young players not named Barnes or Noel. The fit isn't great and I have some legitimate concerns re building around/with Monk, but if that's how the draft plays out then so be it.

I'm pretty much 100% against trading down or trading the pick for a vet. We need the best young talent we can get for as long as possible Imo. You're not doing that by picking 6 spots later or taking on Rubio/Bledsoe for 1-2 seasons before they can walk in FA. And if there's a player or two they like then just do the one thing you've not cared about for pretty much a full decade -- and that's to invest assets into the draft. There are plenty of other ways of acquiring additional picks outside of decreasing your own draft position. It may hurt our chances to acquire FAs if we were to absorb a bad deal or two but I'd happily do that if there is someone available who could help with the rebuild.

Point #2 is spot on. There is no circumstance that I trade down, or trade #9 for anything other than a very talented rookie that is on a rookie contract (for Bird Rights). We've got to start collecting talent [that we will have for four years]. There isn't going to be a magic trade that makes us a top 5 team. It's all about the draft at this point.

[Teffer10]

This is what I'd consider the worst case. Which sounds really bad, but when you're still able to pick one of Markkanen/Monk then that's still darn good value in pretty much any other draft year. Neither one is among my preferred choices, but I'd pick the Kentucky-guard and be happy about it. Monk is still lightyears more talented than any of our young players not named Barnes or Noel. The fit isn't great and I have some legitimate concerns re building around/with Monk, but if that's how the draft plays out then so be it.

I'm pretty much 100% against trading down or trading the pick for a vet. We need the best young talent we can get for as long as possible Imo. You're not doing that by picking 6 spots later or taking on Rubio/Bledsoe for 1-2 seasons before they can walk in FA. And if there's a player or two they like then just do the one thing you've not cared about for pretty much a full decade -- and that's to invest assets into the draft. There are plenty of other ways of acquiring additional picks outside of decreasing your own draft position. It may hurt our chances to acquire FAs if we were to absorb a bad deal or two but I'd happily do that if there is someone available who could help with the rebuild.

Point #2 is spot on. There is no circumstance that I trade down, or trade #9 for anything other than a very talented rookie that is on a rookie contract (for Bird Rights). We've got to start collecting talent [that we will have for four years]. There isn't going to be a magic trade that makes us a top 5 team. It's all about the draft at this point.

I honestly think we should focus on building with draft picks and trades and be very cautious with FAs.
In other words Cuban shouldn't be consumed with clearing cap space to sign top tier FAs like he has done in the past while compromising other opportunities in the draft and trades. We have a better chance to land a future star through the draft and via trade than outright signing a FA. Obviously if one falls in our lap like Barnes did then you pull the trigger.

That is why I advocate taking on a bloated contract or two to acquire draft picks because trying to clear cap space for a star FA would be a fruitless effort imo and doesn't even seem to be an option for this team at least for a while.

[Pointguard01]

This is what I'd consider the worst case. Which sounds really bad, but when you're still able to pick one of Markkanen/Monk then that's still darn good value in pretty much any other draft year. Neither one is among my preferred choices, but I'd pick the Kentucky-guard and be happy about it. Monk is still lightyears more talented than any of our young players not named Barnes or Noel. The fit isn't great and I have some legitimate concerns re building around/with Monk, but if that's how the draft plays out then so be it.

I'm pretty much 100% against trading down or trading the pick for a vet. We need the best young talent we can get for as long as possible Imo. You're not doing that by picking 6 spots later or taking on Rubio/Bledsoe for 1-2 seasons before they can walk in FA. And if there's a player or two they like then just do the one thing you've not cared about for pretty much a full decade -- and that's to invest assets into the draft. There are plenty of other ways of acquiring additional picks outside of decreasing your own draft position. It may hurt our chances to acquire FAs if we were to absorb a bad deal or two but I'd happily do that if there is someone available who could help with the rebuild.

Point #2 is spot on. There is no circumstance that I trade down, or trade #9 for anything other than a very talented rookie that is on a rookie contract (for Bird Rights). We've got to start collecting talent [that we will have for four years]. There isn't going to be a magic trade that makes us a top 5 team. It's all about the draft at this point.

I honestly think we should focus on building with draft picks and trades and be very cautious with FAs.
In other words Cuban shouldn't be consumed with clearing cap space to sign top tier FAs like he has done in the past while compromising other opportunities in the draft and trades. We have a better chance to land a future star through the draft and via trade than outright signing a FA. Obviously if one falls in our lap like Barnes did then you pull the trigger.

That is why I advocate taking on a bloated contract or two to acquire draft picks because trying to clear cap space for a star FA would be a fruitless effort imo and doesn't even seem to be an option for this team at least for a while.

Agreed. The ideal scenario is having the flexibility with cap space but not forcing your hand to use it. I would love for us to create the cap space, but if we cannot sign someone, then we do a trade for a 1-year rental vs. sacrificing our cap space for the following year. I think this is the mistake far too many teams make every offseason. The patience is really hard but ultimately what will pay off down the road.

[Darren]

I am fine with Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, #9 to Orlando Magic for Evan Fournier, DJ Augustin, #25 and #33.

[SOUNDCHASER]

I think we need to hope that Wes comes back strong this season and is wanted by the TDL by some team who is a borderline contender in need of help on defense and a good 3 and D vet. Powell also will need to show progress in the first half of the season if we hope to trade him for anything of value but if he does develop his 3 pointer would keeping him make more sense? 9 needs to be used to draft a player with upside and who we can count on as a core piece that will be here long term. Smith or Ntilikina is what I really want but I would take a Markannen or Collins as well.

[Baz]

I am fine with Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, #9 to Orlando Magic for Evan Fournier, DJ Augustin, #25 and #33.

I gagged a little bit
Evan Fournier for potentially Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith Jr who both have huge potential? What a waste that would be.. such a Mavs move too.

You could use that pick to trade for much better imo but we shouldn't trade it unless we are trading up which I wouldn't mind.

[Suka Bongcic]

Monk or Collins. Anyone else is a bad pick imo. Can't believe 2 people voted TJ Leaf. Hopefully they're just messing around.

[HotrodBeaubois]

I am fine with Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, #9 to Orlando Magic for Evan Fournier, DJ Augustin, #25 and #33.

I gagged a little bit
Evan Fournier for potentially Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith Jr who both have huge potential? What a waste that would be.. such a Mavs move too.

You could use that pick to trade for much better imo but we shouldn't trade it unless we are trading up which I wouldn't mind.

I agree the Mavs need to roll the dice with the 9th pick and hope for the best Smith / Frank I'm also liking Mitchell a lot if he can play PG ..Now while I've wanted Smith this whole time Mitchell could be perfect if he can play the point
1-Size 6'3" with 6'10" wingspan
2-Can score and also hit the three ...
3-Rebounds and defends
4-No injury history

Now I still think Smith may be better but Mitchel is bigger , better defender and no injury history .. His size I would feel a lot more comfortable with him playing alongside Curry

PG Mitchell 6'3" 6'10" wingspan 40.5 Max vert
SG Curry 6'3" 6'4" wingspan

Curry guards the PG while Mitchell guards the Shooting Guard

[Mr B]

I am fine with Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, #9 to Orlando Magic for Evan Fournier, DJ Augustin, #25 and #33.

I gagged a little bit
Evan Fournier for potentially Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith Jr who both have huge potential? What a waste that would be.. such a Mavs move too.

You could use that pick to trade for much better imo but we shouldn't trade it unless we are trading up which I wouldn't mind.

I agree the Mavs need to roll the dice with the 9th pick and hope for the best Smith / Frank I'm also liking Mitchell a lot if he can play PG ..Now while I've wanted Smith this whole time Mitchell could be perfect if he can play the point
1-Size 6'3" with 6'10" wingspan
2-Can score and also hit the three ...
3-Rebounds and defends
4-No injury history

Now I still think Smith may be better but Mitchel is bigger , better defender and no injury history .. His size I would feel a lot more comfortable with him playing alongside Curry

PG Mitchell 6'3" 6'10" wingspan 40.5 Max vert
SG Curry 6'3" 6'4" wingspan

Curry guards the PG while Mitchell guards the Shooting Guard

Yea if the Mavs are at this point and all of the top PG prospects are gone I would probably also go with Mitchell over Monk. Monk may be more of the highlight reel player but Mitchell seems to have a better overall game. He can handle the ball, get to the rim, play defense and rebound. Like every rookie he will need to learn to shoot better but overall I think I'm liking Donovan Mitchell over Monk.

[Darren]

Mitchell is listed as 6-2 SG. At similar size, I'd rather get a second round pick to select Kobi Simmons. Speedy guards are usually successful under RC. He only needs to learn pick-n-roll and gets teammates involved. He's a gifted scorer without questions. He gets to the rim a lot better than Malik Monk.

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[Darren]

This 7-2 center prospect is also interesting.

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[Mr B]

Mitchell is listed as 6-2 SG. At similar size, I'd rather get a second round pick to select Kobi Simmons. Speedy guards are usually successful under RC. He only needs to learn pick-n-roll and gets teammates involved. He's a gifted scorer without questions. He gets to the rim a lot better than Malik Monk.

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All but one scouting website has Mitchell listed as being 6'3" 210 lbs. Mitchell also plays more under control and has better handles than Kobi Simmons. Of the two Mitchell has a better chance of succeeding as a PG in the NBA.

[Suka Bongcic]

Mitchell is listed as 6-2 SG. At similar size, I'd rather get a second round pick to select Kobi Simmons. Speedy guards are usually successful under RC. He only needs to learn pick-n-roll and gets teammates involved. He's a gifted scorer without questions. He gets to the rim a lot better than Malik Monk.

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All but one scouting website has Mitchell listed as being 6'3" 210 lbs. Mitchell also plays more under control and has better handles than Kobi Simmons. Of the two Mitchell has a better chance of succeeding as a PG in the NBA.

No question. Mitchell is a MUCH better prospect. If we want Simmons we should just try and buy a 2nd rd pick from someone. He'll be available for sure

[Torgeir Bryn]

I am fine with Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, #9 to Orlando Magic for Evan Fournier, DJ Augustin, #25 and #33.

[Darren]

I am fine with Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, #9 to Orlando Magic for Evan Fournier, DJ Augustin, #25 and #33.

I gagged a little bit
Evan Fournier for potentially Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith Jr who both have huge potential? What a waste that would be.. such a Mavs move too.

You could use that pick to trade for much better imo but we shouldn't trade it unless we are trading up which I wouldn't mind.

I agree the Mavs need to roll the dice with the 9th pick and hope for the best Smith / Frank I'm also liking Mitchell a lot if he can play PG ..Now while I've wanted Smith this whole time Mitchell could be perfect if he can play the point
1-Size 6'3" with 6'10" wingspan
2-Can score and also hit the three ...
3-Rebounds and defends
4-No injury history

Now I still think Smith may be better but Mitchel is bigger , better defender and no injury history .. His size I would feel a lot more comfortable with him playing alongside Curry

PG Mitchell 6'3" 6'10" wingspan 40.5 Max vert
SG Curry 6'3" 6'4" wingspan

Curry guards the PG while Mitchell guards the Shooting Guard

I don't mean I'll part with chance for DSJ or Ntilikina. Just in case, we end up with Monk. I'd rather trade for something along with salary dump. Pairing Fournier with Curry could have solved us the most pressing needs. I expect us to be highly efficient after this trade. Dumping salaries and getting back 2 picks are about right.

By the way, Mitchell sounds like Donald Sloan or Dominique Jones. I am quite disappointed neither stick around in this league. Mitchell looks out of shape. He'd better slim down significantly. But I agree that I'd consider trading the pick for Mitchell before picking either Monk or Markkanen.

[Suka Bongcic]

I gagged a little bit
Evan Fournier for potentially Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith Jr who both have huge potential? What a waste that would be.. such a Mavs move too.

You could use that pick to trade for much better imo but we shouldn't trade it unless we are trading up which I wouldn't mind.

I agree the Mavs need to roll the dice with the 9th pick and hope for the best Smith / Frank I'm also liking Mitchell a lot if he can play PG ..Now while I've wanted Smith this whole time Mitchell could be perfect if he can play the point
1-Size 6'3" with 6'10" wingspan
2-Can score and also hit the three ...
3-Rebounds and defends
4-No injury history

Now I still think Smith may be better but Mitchel is bigger , better defender and no injury history .. His size I would feel a lot more comfortable with him playing alongside Curry

PG Mitchell 6'3" 6'10" wingspan 40.5 Max vert
SG Curry 6'3" 6'4" wingspan

Curry guards the PG while Mitchell guards the Shooting Guard

I don't mean I'll part with chance for DSJ or Ntilikina. Just in case, we end up with Monk. I'd rather trade for something along with salary dump. Pairing Fournier with Curry could have solved us the most pressing needs. I expect us to be highly efficient after this trade. Dumping salaries and getting back 2 picks are about right.

By the way, Mitchell sounds like Donald Sloan or Dominique Jones. I am quite disappointed neither stick around in this league. Mitchell looks out of shape. He'd better slim down significantly. But I agree that I'd consider trading the pick for Mitchell before picking either Monk or Markkanen.

You shouldn't expect anything. It's never going to happen.