2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[mke_design]

gimmie ojeleye and call it a day.

[Ill-yasova]

Trade down for another pick and grab Bell, Bradley, and Dorsey

Again, my big question is who would be willing to trade up in this draft? I just don't see a situation where a team needs to move up to 17 with all of the parody.

[Frank Nova]

I think a realistic trade for all the ppl that want to move down is #17 for 21 and a small asset with OKC. I think OKC's main target is getting Kennard and we might be able to leverage a trade if they feel like they have to move up a few slots, especially to get ahead of Indiana who needs a player like Kennard pretty badly as well. Idk what that asset attachment would be but maybe pick swap this year and OKCs 1st next year? McBuckets and 21 for 17?

I don't want to trade down however. I've been watching videos on Hartenstein a bit lately and I'm pretty enamored now. I think dude is super legit. I still like Jawun Evans, TJ Leaf and Frank Jackson quite a bit but Jeanne and especially Hartenstein seem like the home run swing picks we should probably take.

Hartenstein shows pretty incredible athleticism for his tall/lanky frame and he has an ultra quick release on his 3pt shot. He throws Love esque outlet passes off the rebound and rim runs. He's honestly a perfect fit for Thon and Giannis.

[Buck Yeah]

Orlando is a potential trade down partner (I doubt Hambone drafts 4 guys)

#17 FOR #25 and #33...if that's not good enough return for the Bucks...can possibly do #17 and #48 FOR #25, #33, and #35

In my perfect dream scenario, I would have this as my draft:

#25 Frank Jackson
#33 Semi Ojeleye

Even better...

#25 Frank Jackson
#33 Jonathan Jeane
#35 Semi Ojeleye

Who knows whom the Bucks really covet, but this year there certainly seems to be quality players at those draft slots. Would Hambone do it? I think he can be convinced and I think he can fall in love with a player available at 17 that he doesn't want to risk losing.

[RiotPunch]

I think a realistic trade for all the ppl that want to move down is #17 for 21 and a small asset with OKC. I think OKC's main target is getting Kennard and we might be able to leverage a trade if they feel like they have to move up a few slots, especially to get ahead of Indiana who needs a player like Kennard pretty badly as well. Idk what that asset attachment would be but maybe pick swap this year and OKCs 1st next year? McBuckets and 21 for 17?

I don't want to trade down however. I've been watching videos on Hartenstein a bit lately and I'm pretty enamored now. I think dude is super legit. I still like Jawun Evans, TJ Leaf and Frank Jackson quite a bit but Jeanne and especially Hartenstein seem like the home run swing picks we should probably take.

Hartenstein shows pretty incredible athleticism for his tall/lanky frame and he has an ultra quick release on his 3pt shot. He throws Love esque outlet passes off the rebound and rim runs. He's honestly a perfect fit for Thon and Giannis.

I want to love Hartenstein, but I am struggling. His shot is a long ways from being reliable. Got a serious rodeo spin on the ball. I like his mobility and aggressiveness, but not sure he's more than another Motiejunas, which I guess isn't the worst thing.

Jeanne, I think, is the true home run swing. After a couple of seasons with Suki, he'd be a monster. His range and form are legit too.

[RiotPunch]

Trade down for another pick and grab Bell, Bradley, and Dorsey

Again, my big question is who would be willing to trade up in this draft? I just don't see a situation where a team needs to move up to 17 with all of the parody.

Teams can always fall in love, you never know. Allen, Kennard, Giles, etc could be a tier higher for certain teams. If you have Allen as your only star left versus a bunch of role players, you do what you can to get your guy.

But yeah, easier said than done. Hence the dream scenario tag.

[Badgerlander]

Trade down for another pick and grab Bell, Bradley, and Dorsey

Again, my big question is who would be willing to trade up in this draft? I just don't see a situation where a team needs to move up to 17 with all of the parody.

Idk aside from the report about the Nets looking to move up

[Frank Nova]

I think a realistic trade for all the ppl that want to move down is #17 for 21 and a small asset with OKC. I think OKC's main target is getting Kennard and we might be able to leverage a trade if they feel like they have to move up a few slots, especially to get ahead of Indiana who needs a player like Kennard pretty badly as well. Idk what that asset attachment would be but maybe pick swap this year and OKCs 1st next year? McBuckets and 21 for 17?

I don't want to trade down however. I've been watching videos on Hartenstein a bit lately and I'm pretty enamored now. I think dude is super legit. I still like Jawun Evans, TJ Leaf and Frank Jackson quite a bit but Jeanne and especially Hartenstein seem like the home run swing picks we should probably take.

Hartenstein shows pretty incredible athleticism for his tall/lanky frame and he has an ultra quick release on his 3pt shot. He throws Love esque outlet passes off the rebound and rim runs. He's honestly a perfect fit for Thon and Giannis.

I want to love Hartenstein, but I am struggling. His shot is a long ways from being reliable. Got a serious rodeo spin on the ball. I like his mobility and aggressiveness, but not sure he's more than another Motiejunas, which I guess isn't the worst thing.

Jeanne, I think, is the true home run swing. After a couple of seasons with Suki, he'd be a monster. His range and form are legit too.

That's funny you brought up Motiejunas, because I thought the same thing, although I find Hartenstein more athletic. And like you said, I don't think that comparison is a bad thing. DM flashed a lot of potential before injuries and being disgruntled kinda took his career in the wrong direction.

I do think Jeanne is a great prospect too. I would be ecstatic taking either tbh. I really like where we're sitting at 17, I think we have the chance to land a real contributor. Maybe not optimistic enough to think we'll draft another Giannis, but this talent pool is deep and there's some sexy picks to be had in the mid 1st where we sit.

[Fotis St]

One of John Collins, Zach Collins and Hartenstein will be there at #17

Probably Hartenstein ...

Watch his handles in workout video, don't put Jeanne with 2 balls, neither the combo through the legs and behind the back dribble...

Hartenstein is far superior in basketball skills overall than Jeanne, which shortens the time to start producing.

I believe Hartenstein gets Monroe's minutes and

we will continue with a full Center rotation of Thon/Hartenstein/Henson for the future, with Henson being the 3rd string C

I love this pack of Centers moving forward ... 2 Modern Stretch 5s and a Rim Protector... with total salary about 15M/y for the next 3 years at least.

[Dellyhas2gfs]

Trade down for another pick and grab Bell, Bradley, and Dorsey

Again, my big question is who would be willing to trade up in this draft? I just don't see a situation where a team needs to move up to 17 with all of the parody.

Idk aside from the report about the Nets looking to move up

The Nets have cap space so they might take Henson/Vaughn straight up or at the least let them trade up 5-10 spaces to take them. Especially since they would be overspending on some free agent to reach the salary floor anyway.

[Fotis St]

At this point salary dump on the Nets is easy to say but really difficult in reality. Why ? Cause there are many bad contracts around the league and teams that are willing to pack them with assets better than ours.
Example the Lakers are thinking to pack Mozgov with Clarkson or Nance Jr or Deng with Randle and other packs from teams ...
So the pack of Henson+Vaughn+ trade down looks really weak.
I am feeling more comfortable with #17 ... there will be a nice rotational player there with some upside to become a starter in a winning team ... I am starting to reject the trade down option too.
I am not that high to trade Henson now too. If Monroe and Hawes opt out he can be a backup "bridge" Center.
Saying not high doesn't mean I would not trade him, it means I would not attach any future asset in a trade deal.

Center Wish Rotation: Thon/Hartenstein/Henson

[sdn40]

NBA projections are scary impossible, but not seeing it with Hartenstein. When someone can d him up he looks pretty miserable. Lots of highlights where he is wide open or just simply taller than everyone. Lots of wide open slip screen dunks but not a whole lot of post moves that I've seen. The NBA is gonna be a shocker for this guy where most everyone else's hops will make up for his lack of it. And if he does have hops, it has yet to transfer to the court, similar to Thon sometimes. Seems like a bit of a plodder to me. Watching his workout video he looked high schoolish to me if that makes any sense. Too much hunched over dribbling in his man up video. Doesn't play big or position big, probably because he hasn't had to. Extra learning curve there. Pedestrian. Nothing he did made me say wow. If his video is impressive then I'm really really really bad at this which could certainly be true.

In general I just can't come around to another 7' project when we have such a dire need outside. How can we prioritize a second 7' (third if you count Giannis) and be content with only one shooter ?

I still think that if we are willing to take such a huge leap of faith on a guy like him or Jeanne, take that same leap of faith on a shooter / creator from the wing.

[Fotis St]

NBA projections are scary impossible, but not seeing it with Hartenstein. When someone can d him up he looks pretty miserable. Lots of highlights where he is wide open or just simply taller than everyone. Lots of wide open dunks but not a whole lot of post moves that I've seen. The NBA is gonna be a shocker for this guy where most everyone else's hops will make up for his lack of it. And if he does have hops, it has yet to transfer to the court, similar to Thon sometimes. Seems like a bit of a plodder to me. Watching his workout video he looked high schoolish to me if that makes any sense.
In general I just can't come around to another 7' project when we have such a dire need outside. How can we prioritize a second 7' and be content with only one shooter ?

I still think that if we are willing to take such a huge leap of faith on a guy like him or Jeanne, take that same leap of faith on a shooter / creator from the wing.

Hartenstein just turned 19, he played one year pro in Lithuania, he has build his body perfectly, he is a 7 ft mobile big with potential to hit 3s ... what did you expect ? His age is perfect for our future.

In my opinion Hartenstein is the 3rd best Center of this draft after Markannen and Zach Collins.
#48 draft a guard ... I am expecting to sign many undrafted players too, in no guaranteed contracts, like Houston did last year.

I get that you want a guard but can't understand your rejection with the plan to adjust our "C rotation" for many years with #17.

[sdn40]

Hartenstein just turned 19, he played one year pro in Lithuania, he has build his body perfectly, he is a 7 ft mobile big with potential to hit 3s ... what did you expect ? His age is perfect for our future.

In my opinion Hartenstein is the 3rd best Center of this draft after Markannen and Zach Collins.
#48 draft a guard ... I am expecting to sign many undrafted players too, in no guaranteed contracts, like Houston did last year.

I get that you want a guard but can't understand your rejection with the plan to adjust our "C rotation" for many years with #17.

I didn't have any expectations at all, that's the thing. If he's the 3rd best Center, I don't want to sit through videos of the 4th best, I can say that. We can certainly agree to disagree, but a few other things. It's 2017 - everyone 'can' shoot the three. Also not a fan of the 'we can wait and get guards' when its guards, not centers that dominate the league and we don't have any. Seems like a lot of successful teams grab veteran centers off the scrap heap. If we do draft him our center position could be set I guess, wouldn't really excite me, or scare other teams. Hope they could get the guy ready by the time Thon retires.

Also a shame to see the videos highlighting guys like Hartenstein doing drills with coaches as if they are point guards. How about a video showing his drop step, or jump hook ? I saw one video that was nothing but trick dribbling and dunks. I guess that's how you grab attention these days but no meat and potatoes if you ask me. I could care less if he can dribble two balls at once if he falls down every time he moves his feet in the low post.

[RiotPunch]

NBA projections are scary impossible, but not seeing it with Hartenstein. When someone can d him up he looks pretty miserable. Lots of highlights where he is wide open or just simply taller than everyone. Lots of wide open dunks but not a whole lot of post moves that I've seen. The NBA is gonna be a shocker for this guy where most everyone else's hops will make up for his lack of it. And if he does have hops, it has yet to transfer to the court, similar to Thon sometimes. Seems like a bit of a plodder to me. Watching his workout video he looked high schoolish to me if that makes any sense.
In general I just can't come around to another 7' project when we have such a dire need outside. How can we prioritize a second 7' and be content with only one shooter ?

I still think that if we are willing to take such a huge leap of faith on a guy like him or Jeanne, take that same leap of faith on a shooter / creator from the wing.

Hartenstein just turned 19, he played one year pro in Lithuania, he has build his body perfectly, he is a 7 ft mobile big with potential to hit 3s ... what did you expect ? His age is perfect for our future.

In my opinion Hartenstein is the 3rd best Center of this draft after Markannen and Zach Collins.
#48 draft a guard ... I am expecting to sign many undrafted players too, in no guaranteed contracts, like Houston did last year.

I get that you want a guard but can't understand your rejection with the plan to adjust our "C rotation" for many years with #17.

I'm skeptical of Hartenstein's ability to shoot the NBA 3. That's where I lean Jeanne, because he has a super smooth stroke from deep, in addition to his freakish length and desire to add weight and be physical. I'd prefer to trade back, or jump back into the 1st to land Derrick White as well. He's a guy that can create offense, shoot the three, facilitate and play solid D. I like the blueprint from last year of grabbing a guy dripping with potential early and then adding straight up ball players after.

I don't see a wing prospect with the potential of Jeanne in our range. Are we at a point where we just take a role player wing at 17? Who would it be? Ojeleye? Justin Jackson? I'd rather walk away with Jeanne, White and whoever falls to 48 between Dorsey, Mason, Iwundu, Bolden. 1 swing for the fences pick and two immediate contributors.

[sdn40]

I'm skeptical of Hartenstein's ability to shoot the NBA 3. That's where I lean Jeanne, because he has a super smooth stroke from deep, in addition to his freakish length and desire to add weight and be physical. I'd prefer to trade back, or jump back into the 1st to land Derrick White as well. He's a guy that can create offense, shoot the three, facilitate and play solid D. I like the blueprint from last year of grabbing a guy dripping with potential early and then adding straight up ball players after.

I don't see a wing prospect with the potential of Jeanne in our range. Are we at a point where we just take a role player wing at 17? Who would it be? Ojeleye? Justin Jackson? I'd rather walk away with Jeanne, White and whoever falls to 48 between Dorsey, Mason, Iwundu, Bolden. 1 swing for the fences pick and two immediate contributors.

Serious question
Are we really to the point in the NBA draft process where a so called deep deep draft is void of starter caliber shooters and creators by pick 17 ?
I know the one and dones make everything watered down and harder to project, and there is a reason why the draft is only 2 rounds, and I am certainly not a draftnik, but considering the main object of the game is to put the ball in the hoop, that kind of blows my mind

[M-C-G]

NBA projections are scary impossible, but not seeing it with Hartenstein. When someone can d him up he looks pretty miserable. Lots of highlights where he is wide open or just simply taller than everyone. Lots of wide open dunks but not a whole lot of post moves that I've seen. The NBA is gonna be a shocker for this guy where most everyone else's hops will make up for his lack of it. And if he does have hops, it has yet to transfer to the court, similar to Thon sometimes. Seems like a bit of a plodder to me. Watching his workout video he looked high schoolish to me if that makes any sense.
In general I just can't come around to another 7' project when we have such a dire need outside. How can we prioritize a second 7' and be content with only one shooter ?

I still think that if we are willing to take such a huge leap of faith on a guy like him or Jeanne, take that same leap of faith on a shooter / creator from the wing.

Hartenstein just turned 19, he played one year pro in Lithuania, he has build his body perfectly, he is a 7 ft mobile big with potential to hit 3s ... what did you expect ? His age is perfect for our future.

In my opinion Hartenstein is the 3rd best Center of this draft after Markannen and Zach Collins.
#48 draft a guard ... I am expecting to sign many undrafted players too, in no guaranteed contracts, like Houston did last year.

I get that you want a guard but can't understand your rejection with the plan to adjust our "C rotation" for many years with #17.

I'm skeptical of Hartenstein's ability to shoot the NBA 3. That's where I lean Jeanne, because he has a super smooth stroke from deep, in addition to his freakish length and desire to add weight and be physical. I'd prefer to trade back, or jump back into the 1st to land Derrick White as well. He's a guy that can create offense, shoot the three, facilitate and play solid D. I like the blueprint from last year of grabbing a guy dripping with potential early and then adding straight up ball players after.

I don't see a wing prospect with the potential of Jeanne in our range. Are we at a point where we just take a role player wing at 17? Who would it be? Ojeleye? Justin Jackson? I'd rather walk away with Jeanne, White and whoever falls to 48 between Dorsey, Mason, Iwundu, Bolden. 1 swing for the fences pick and two immediate contributors.

Isn't Jeanne a 50 percent free throw shooter? That didn't scream super smooth stroke.


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[Baddy Chuck]

One guy I keep coming back to is OG Anunoby. Assuming healthy, his floor seems like MKG or something. Prime crew nominee.

[Matches Malone]

One guy I keep coming back to is OG Anunoby. Assuming healthy, his floor seems like MKG or something. Prime crew nominee.

I've been too scared to ask, but what does the lift emoji mean? Is it some inside joke? I see you use it for Cousins and a few other players.

[Ron Swanson]

If OG somehow falls to #17 I don't even think twice about picking him. I'd even try and move a smaller asset to move up a couple spots and grab him in the late lotto if I could. Dude could be MKG with a jump shot.