2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[cksdayoff]

Yall need to get on my level of always being wrong.

The Turner draft I just know I said some dumb ass ****

we all did. the turner draft made most of us smarter in evaluating prospects to some degree

[Kobblehead]

I stanned K.J. McDaniels and Denzel Valentine as prospects.

[SparksFly87]

You guys are sleeping on Josh Jackson if he lands in Philly at 3 it's a steal. Watch his highlights in the NCAA tournament. The guy is a stud. He is a excellent fit on the wing for Philly.

[Negrodamus]

Yall need to get on my level of always being wrong.

The Turner draft I just know I said some dumb ass ****

we all did. the turner draft made most of us smarter in evaluating prospects to some degree

I absolutely did not. I was Team Cousins all the way.

But I was on board with Ingram and Dunn last year. It's a bit early to say they're a lost cause, however. Also loved Exum.

[Unbreakable99]

I said I preferred Mudiay to Russell. My reasoning was because Mudiay was faster and quicker and would be able to get his shots better and Russell couldn't get to the rim and settled for too many jump shots. Smh. I feel like a damn fool. I think my reasoning was logical though. But I was wrong.

[sixers23]

I said I preferred Mudiay to Russell. My reasoning was because Mudiay was faster and quicker and would be able to get his shots better and Russell couldn't get to the rim and settled for too many jump shots. Smh. I feel like a damn fool. I think my reasoning was logical though. But I was wrong.

i mean russell hasnt been impressive either overall

[HotelVitale]

to take monk at #3 is to believe he'll be an elite scorer because he doesn't do much of anything else. i can picture many off nights, i can picture him not showing up for a quarter, for a half. i can picture him hitting game winners, scoring in bunches, scoring 20-30 points in a quarter. Possible reality of the situation is that he won't be an elite scorer, that he could be a better version of Lou Will, minus the handles. And is that worth the #3 pick, just because he fits the Sixers current needs.

I'm not overly concerned with Monk having a bad half here or there when it's very very possible that anyone we pick will be out of the NBA in 5 or 6 years. If Josh Jackson hits 30% or less of his long 2s and 3s and can't turn the corner consistently on drives, he's probably not seeing the court for a decent team. And if DSJ can't score at above average volume and better than about 53% TS then he's toast in the league. Both are very realistic outcomes for those guys, and the reality is you have to become one of the best 20 or so guys in the world at your position to be valuable in the NBA, and none of these guys has a clear and easy path to that.

You also may have talked yourself into a false binary, in which scoring is one-dimensional and/or risky but things like passing, defense, penetration, etc are safer and sort of guaranteed (if you have the basic tools, you'll be just fine at em in the NBA). Monk needs to be a good scorer and decent at other things to be a solid starter, but Jonathan Isaac needs to become a decent offensive player and a stand-out defender to be one. Is it really more likely that Isaac gets there than Monk? It could happen but I don't see why it's more likely, and that's all that drafting really is--balancing possible upside with likelihood of achieving it. I fully agree we shouldn't take Monk just because of fit but that has nothing to do with Monk maybe not being great in the end.

[LloydFree]

I said I preferred Mudiay to Russell. My reasoning was because Mudiay was faster and quicker and would be able to get his shots better and Russell couldn't get to the rim and settled for too many jump shots. Smh. I feel like a damn fool. I think my reasoning was logical though. But I was wrong.

I think my take on Myles Turner was worse than your take of Mudiay over Russell. Thought he was too stiff to run in the NBA. I had him in the back of my top 10 that year, and he may be the 3rd best player from that class.

[Unbreakable99]

I said I preferred Mudiay to Russell. My reasoning was because Mudiay was faster and quicker and would be able to get his shots better and Russell couldn't get to the rim and settled for too many jump shots. Smh. I feel like a damn fool. I think my reasoning was logical though. But I was wrong.

I think my take on Myles Turner was worse than your take of Mudiay over Russell. Thought he was too stiff to run in the NBA. I had him in the back of my top 10 that year, and he may be the 3rd best player from that class.

People didn't like the way he ran the court. He ran awkwardly. Lol.

[cksdayoff]

I said I preferred Mudiay to Russell. My reasoning was because Mudiay was faster and quicker and would be able to get his shots better and Russell couldn't get to the rim and settled for too many jump shots. Smh. I feel like a damn fool. I think my reasoning was logical though. But I was wrong.

I think my take on Myles Turner was worse than your take of Mudiay over Russell. Thought he was too stiff to run in the NBA. I had him in the back of my top 10 that year, and he may be the 3rd best player from that class.

wasn't there concerns with how he ran the floor before the draft? something with his knees. the pacers coaching staff corrected the way he ran, it's one of the wierdest thing ive ever heard. he became a different player lol

[HotelVitale]

I said I preferred Mudiay to Russell. My reasoning was because Mudiay was faster and quicker and would be able to get his shots better and Russell couldn't get to the rim and settled for too many jump shots. Smh. I feel like a damn fool. I think my reasoning was logical though. But I was wrong.

I think that reasoning was okay but that's not a good way to eval overall potential. Mudiay seemed uninspiring in those Chinese games--not a great passer, not a good shooter, just a relatively big PG who could go through the basic PG motions. He was a 'let's take a flyer and see what he becomes guy,' whiel Russell was a lot more dynamic at that stage and showed the ability to take over a game with ease. He's only been blah so far because he's been a worse shooter than most expected. Take Russell's game and make him a little better at it, and he's still easily better than Mudiay with a little boost.

As long as we're at it though: for bigger names I was wrong about Tyreke Evans (thought he'd be incredible) and Gordon Hayward (thought he was guaranteed junk), and I;ve wasted a lot breath defending such guys as Trey Burke, Eric Maynor, and Mirotic (I thought he'd be a machine). I also defended the Anthony Bennett as #1 pick repeatedly (though just making a case for it, would've taken like 4 guys over him), and I didn't get the Saric hype during that draft (can't shoot, slow on the drive, short arms). I'm sure there are others but those are the first to come to mind.

[cksdayoff]

to take monk at #3 is to believe he'll be an elite scorer because he doesn't do much of anything else. i can picture many off nights, i can picture him not showing up for a quarter, for a half. i can picture him hitting game winners, scoring in bunches, scoring 20-30 points in a quarter. Possible reality of the situation is that he won't be an elite scorer, that he could be a better version of Lou Will, minus the handles. And is that worth the #3 pick, just because he fits the Sixers current needs.

I'm not overly concerned with Monk having a bad half here or there when it's very very possible that anyone we pick will be out of the NBA in 5 or 6 years. If Josh Jackson hits 30% or less of his long 2s and 3s and can't turn the corner consistently on drives, he's probably not seeing the court for a decent team. And if DSJ can't score at above average volume and better than about 53% TS then he's toast in the league. Both are very realistic outcomes for those guys, and the reality is you have to become one of the best 20 or so guys in the world at your position to be valuable in the NBA, and none of these guys has a clear and easy path to that.

You also may have talked yourself into a false binary, in which scoring is one-dimensional and/or risky but things like passing, defense, penetration, etc are safer and sort of guaranteed (if you have the basic tools, you'll be just fine at em in the NBA). Monk needs to be a good scorer and decent at other things to be a solid starter, but Jonathan Isaac needs to become a decent offensive player and a stand-out defender to be one. Is it really more likely that Isaac gets there than Monk? It could happen but I don't see why it's more likely, and that's all that drafting really is--balancing possible upside with likelihood of achieving it. I fully agree we shouldn't take Monk just because of fit but that has nothing to do with Monk maybe not being great in the end.

you make good points. i guess its a blessing with these kids declaring so young, they'll get the best possible coaching to maximize their potential while they're still moldable

[cksdayoff]

i got myself hyped for alec burks. watched every highlight i possibly could of him

[eagereyez]

Watch Lauri Markannen transform into Dirk Nowitzki and make us all look like idiots.

[Negrodamus]

I said I preferred Mudiay to Russell. My reasoning was because Mudiay was faster and quicker and would be able to get his shots better and Russell couldn't get to the rim and settled for too many jump shots. Smh. I feel like a damn fool. I think my reasoning was logical though. But I was wrong.

I think my take on Myles Turner was worse than your take of Mudiay over Russell. Thought he was too stiff to run in the NBA. I had him in the back of my top 10 that year, and he may be the 3rd best player from that class.

People didn't like the way he ran the court. He ran awkwardly. Lol.

Yea, there was a lot of talk about how he needed to change the biomechanics on his gait. I mean, I understood it, but my main allure for him was that you can keep him in late in games with his ridiculous FT% and he was an elite shot blocker, so you're getting defense too. Those are upsides, to me, for Mitchell and Tatum in this draft. Both can hit shots late in the game, at the line and from 3, and play stellar defense.

EDIT: and Isaac.

[Unbreakable99]

Now it's Markennan's turn. 18 straight. Remember Porzingis before the draft draining shot after shot and people laughed? He tied Tatum. Where's Josh Jackson? Stop hiding and show your 18 straight 3s. Lol. You can't hide like Simmons does forever. Sooner or later you have to shoot that 3 lol.

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[LloydFree]

Now it's Markennan's turn. 18 straight. Remember Porzingis before the draft draining shot after shot and people laughed? He tied Tatum. Where's Josh Jackson? Stop hiding and show your 18 straight 3s. Lol. You can't hide like Simmons does forever. Sooner or later you have to shoot that 3 lol.

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Markkanen is Ryan Anderson at best. Doesn't do anything but shoot. If I wanted a stretch 4, I'd take Tyler Lydon before Markkanen.

[smittybanton]

I said I preferred Mudiay to Russell. My reasoning was because Mudiay was faster and quicker and would be able to get his shots better and Russell couldn't get to the rim and settled for too many jump shots. Smh. I feel like a damn fool. I think my reasoning was logical though. But I was wrong.

I think my take on Myles Turner was worse than your take of Mudiay over Russell. Thought he was too stiff to run in the NBA. I had him in the back of my top 10 that year, and he may be the 3rd best player from that class.

People didn't like the way he ran the court. He ran awkwardly. Lol.

Guilty.

[Unbreakable99]

Now it's Markennan's turn. 18 straight. Remember Porzingis before the draft draining shot after shot and people laughed? He tied Tatum. Where's Josh Jackson? Stop hiding and show your 18 straight 3s. Lol. You can't hide like Simmons does forever. Sooner or later you have to shoot that 3 lol.

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Markkanen is Ryan Anderson at best. Doesn't do anything but shoot. If I wanted a stretch 4, I'd take Tyler Lydon before Markkanen.

Maybe but while Tatum and Markkenen drained 18 straight 3s Josh Jackson is somewhere hiding with Ben Simmons refusing to show clips shooting 3s. I demand Jackson upload himself shooting and making 18 straight 3s now!

[HankTheTank]

Now it's Markennan's turn. 18 straight. Remember Porzingis before the draft draining shot after shot and people laughed? He tied Tatum. Where's Josh Jackson? Stop hiding and show your 18 straight 3s. Lol. You can't hide like Simmons does forever. Sooner or later you have to shoot that 3 lol.

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There is definitely a place in the league for a guy this size who can shoot like this. I just don't want his no defense playing azz near my team.