Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[titlebound1]

Just a thought...but would it be worth giving Bosh a shot?

[BleedGreen1989]

No interest in Vuc right now. Doubtful he can stay on the court vs CLE.

Also, Crowder is more valuable in today's NBA IMO.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Vuc s défense is very underrated, vogel has praised him a lot this season

Not sure why you call him a black hole, vuc is a very good passer.

He can also shoot the 3 ball but only got green light from coaching staff at end of season

I really hope we don't trade him but I think he d be perfect for you guys.

I think jae would be great for the magic too

I could really see a jae + something for vuc trade

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I think his defense is improving, and he made an effort under Vogel, which is great. But he's still struggling to reach competence, net positive impact. He's not Marc Gasol. Interesting about the 3 point shot.

Is he a good passer? I'd have to look back at clips and advanced stats - my impression is that even if he can pass, he's a little like Al Jefferson was, ball tends to stick with him. Not great awareness. He's not Blake Griffin in that way, or even Al Horford.

Rebounding a little over-hyped, too - he gets raw numbers, caroms in his vicinity, which is great. But that's it - doesn't get much out of his reach, like DJ or Drummond.

Love him as a player, if he's right for Boston. But if he were as great as you're saying, trading him for Jae Crowder would be foolish.

Definitely better, and trending better, than Greg Monroe.

Yes it would be foolish, this is why I don't want Orlando to trade him, but we need a sf badly and I think Orlando will try to move one of our big for a sf

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Pretty sure Jae thought he was going to Orlando at the deadline. Love the guy as a player, competitor - and he took a discount to stay with us. Hate to send him to a rebuilding team - maybe a 3-way deal, with a different franchise's small forward to Orlando. But if I had to do it, something like Kelly/Jae for Vuc, after we max a free agent, I'd do. Or add Bradley and some of Gordon/Mario/6 and you're sending enough talent south that no one feels abandoned.

I think we were trying to lay groundwork by flirting with trade before deadline - but don't know what your new GM is looking to do.

[Ed Pinkney]

The only reason Klay Thompson might even be considered a possibility is if he wants out and asks to be traded. He has another two years on his deal at pretty good money, why would Golden State trade him unless he asks them to? Even then they might just say no. If healthy that team could win several of the next 5 championships, is he likely to want to walk away from that?

The only reason I can see it happening is if they resign Curry and Durant to max deals and cant afford to give Thompson market value on his next contract and he decides he would rather take the money. Is he going to be worth $30 million a year at that stage?

[Darthlukey]

Haven't look at salary but something like this might work (fillers may be required):

Boston out: IT and either bradley/crowder, Boston 2018 first
Dallas out: 9th pick
Wolves out: Rubio, 7th pick

Boston in: 7th pick, 9th pick
Dallas in: IT, rubio
Wolves in: bradley/crowder, Boston 2018 first

Why for boston: this totally blows up our backcourt and makes us less competitive but it does clear up our logjam in the guards and obviously stacks us with more picks (either used or forwarded elsewhere).

Why for dallas: they get a great true point guard in Rubio and an elite scorer in IT (Rubio playing the 2 on defence). Tweeners or players that arent necassily great shooters seem to succeed next to dirk and these two could benefit short term from dirk. Long term Rubio compliments barnes and Noel may help offset IT lack of defence.

Why for wolves: the Wolves get the short end of the deal from a talent perspective. They only do this to clear Rubio off the team but gain and 3 and d player in either bradley or crowder (cost controlled in the case of crowder)

Alternately Boston could keep the 2018 pick and dallas could direct the 9th pick to the Wolves to perhaps balance things a little better, though in that scenario they get Bradley/ Crowder and only move back 2 spots in the draft effectively

[5salmon]

Do something with Bradley and favours from Utah...

[Andrew McCeltic]

Real problem with our current systems (O & D) is that there's no unicorn big to get. The perfect player is, like, dominant rebounder, rim protector, shot blocker, who can at the very least shoot from the outside, at best has scoring ability facing up and back to the basket.

Myles Turner, Towns, Embiid, Anthony Davis, Porzingis are the only guys who are or can be that player. Porzingis is the only one even near the market, and he hasn't shown he can definitely stay healthy and rebound consistently.

So virtually whoever we add to the front court, there's going to be a problem. Blake doesn't board well enough, Milsapp doesn't board well enough, Vucevic isn't a rim protector (he can fix his flaws the way ZBo did, and be that kind of big - would actually pair well with Horford), Drummond is still rough at the edges, offensively limited.

The Knicks are so badly managed, they're my big target for a Pitino-esque screwup.

Danny also swerves sometimes in ways that only make sense later. Could see something bizarre like 1 to Phoenix with Crowder for the 4, Bender and Chandler.

[FlatearthZorro]

Real problem with our current systems (O & D) is that there's no unicorn big to get. The perfect player is, like, dominant rebounder, rim protector, shot blocker, who can at the very least shoot from the outside, at best has scoring ability facing up and back to the basket.

Myles Turner, Towns, Embiid, Anthony Davis, Porzingis are the only guys who are or can be that player. Porzingis is the only one even near the market, and he hasn't shown he can definitely stay healthy and rebound consistently.

So virtually whoever we add to the front court, there's going to be a problem. Blake doesn't board well enough, Milsapp doesn't board well enough, Vucevic isn't a rim protector (he can fix his flaws the way ZBo did, and be that kind of big - would actually pair well with Horford), Drummond is still rough at the edges, offensively limited.

The Knicks are so badly managed, they're my big target for a Pitino-esque screwup.

Danny also swerves sometimes in ways that only make sense later. Could see something bizarre like 1 to Phoenix with Crowder for the 4, Bender and Chandler.

Blake's career average is 9.4 boards a game. That's pretty good. He's easily 10 a game on our team without Jordan.

Nobody, I mean nobody in the league wants Chandler that's why he's still on PHO's roster, not cause they didn't wanna trade him. Old rebounding center with a bunch of years on his deal is not a hot comodity. Nobody in their right mind will trade the #1 pick and Crowder for Bender the 4th pick in a weak draft and a 35 years old center..

[Fencer reregistered]

Haven't look at salary but something like this might work (fillers may be required):

Boston out: IT and either bradley/crowder, Boston 2018 first
Dallas out: 9th pick
Wolves out: Rubio, 7th pick

Boston in: 7th pick, 9th pick
Dallas in: IT, rubio
Wolves in: bradley/crowder, Boston 2018 first

Why for boston: this totally blows up our backcourt and makes us less competitive but it does clear up our logjam in the guards and obviously stacks us with more picks (either used or forwarded elsewhere).

Why for dallas: they get a great true point guard in Rubio and an elite scorer in IT (Rubio playing the 2 on defence). Tweeners or players that arent necassily great shooters seem to succeed next to dirk and these two could benefit short term from dirk. Long term Rubio compliments barnes and Noel may help offset IT lack of defence.

Why for wolves: the Wolves get the short end of the deal from a talent perspective. They only do this to clear Rubio off the team but gain and 3 and d player in either bradley or crowder (cost controlled in the case of crowder)

Alternately Boston could keep the 2018 pick and dallas could direct the 9th pick to the Wolves to perhaps balance things a little better, though in that scenario they get Bradley/ Crowder and only move back 2 spots in the draft effectively

And how do we use our cap room?

[Andrew McCeltic]

If you subtract out his first two seasons - the only times he hit double digits - the average drops to 8.4.

He's passable - he's not Brook Lopez bad. But it's a concern - you can chalk some up to DJ's rebounding rate, but how much? Good analytics article - how rebounding numbers go up and down if you're playing with a dominant big. If you can count that effect (like ballhogging for rebounders) for two boards a game, suddenly Blake looks ok.

Going out on a limb here, but I think I might take Vuc over Blake. He's younger, still improving, cheaper. 28yo Blake with mediocre rebounding and declining explosiveness at 30 million per, IDK.

Bulky, above the rim bigs are a longevity risk. Shawn Kemp, to be fair, did a lot of drugs and chunked up during a lockout. And McDyess had a great second act after he lost his ups. But he was an MLE guy then, not a max.

Probably Danny doesn't care, bets on the short run. Our frontcourt passing and playmaking would be out of this world. Maybe featuring Blake - with us, or in Miami or whatever - he has an MVP season.

I could see that happening. But those Clippers teams - it changes by year, but they've arguably had as much depth as we did in 2007-08. CP is a Hall of Famer, Jordan is a dominant boards/blocks force, and Blake is the one who's underwhelmed. You can make the case it's personalities, or probably just fit, especially on offense - Paul handles the ball a lot, DJ is limited but needs to be used, and Blake gets the Bosh, Ray, Love treatment as third wheel.

Still a lot of questions.

[ConstableGeneva]

Blake Griffin's Rebounding %s, Regular Season 2016-17 :
• DeAndre Jordan ON the court: OREB% - 5.7, DREB% - 19.0, TREB% - 12.8
• DeAndre Jordan OFF the court: OREB% - 9.9, DREB% - 29.6, TREB% - 18.9

The difference is significant -- he basically turns from Kelly Olynyk into Kevin Love (basing on this season's numbers). They also often share the floor together since Doc's not a fan of staggering his starters.

Of course, you'd have to decrease those numbers if he's sharing the floor with Horford/Zizic but not by much when compared to sharing the floor with a rebounding monster like Jordan. The small sample (5 mpg w/o DJ) might have also skewed the numbers in Blake's favor.

[London2Boston]

How many rookies to people want next year? We already have three coming in next year and maybe four. I still see trade proposals where core guys are gone for trade picks. Stevens doesn't want to coach a bunch of rooks.

[Darthlukey]

Haven't look at salary but something like this might work (fillers may be required):

Boston out: IT and either bradley/crowder, Boston 2018 first
Dallas out: 9th pick
Wolves out: Rubio, 7th pick

Boston in: 7th pick, 9th pick
Dallas in: IT, rubio
Wolves in: bradley/crowder, Boston 2018 first

Why for boston: this totally blows up our backcourt and makes us less competitive but it does clear up our logjam in the guards and obviously stacks us with more picks (either used or forwarded elsewhere).

Why for dallas: they get a great true point guard in Rubio and an elite scorer in IT (Rubio playing the 2 on defence). Tweeners or players that arent necassily great shooters seem to succeed next to dirk and these two could benefit short term from dirk. Long term Rubio compliments barnes and Noel may help offset IT lack of defence.

Why for wolves: the Wolves get the short end of the deal from a talent perspective. They only do this to clear Rubio off the team but gain and 3 and d player in either bradley or crowder (cost controlled in the case of crowder)

Alternately Boston could keep the 2018 pick and dallas could direct the 9th pick to the Wolves to perhaps balance things a little better, though in that scenario they get Bradley/ Crowder and only move back 2 spots in the draft effectively

And how do we use our cap room?

Good question. A couple of options.

Premium free agents: we could still try for a Griffin or a Hayward, but moving the guards does make us less attractive so that may be out.

Take on some bad contracts: take some crappy 1 or 2 year deals along with picks or young talent (blazers perhaps or maybe even take brook Lopez off the Nets for a future protected first)

and/or

Play King maker: help San Antonio clear space for a run at CP3 by taking some salary or similar

[Darthlukey]

How many rookies to people want next year? We already have three coming in next year and maybe four. I still see trade proposals where core guys are gone for trade picks. Stevens doesn't want to coach a bunch of rooks.

I am guilty of this. We could look like the 98 cavs. Kemp and 4 rookies started. Made the playoffs though!

[Banks2Pierce]

How many rookies to people want next year? We already have three coming in next year and maybe four. I still see trade proposals where core guys are gone for trade picks. Stevens doesn't want to coach a bunch of rooks.

Fultz and Zizic are already near locks to be in the rotation. Another one like Collins or Isaac are likely to need a year or two of riding pine(especially in Isaac's case) so adding those for one of the guards/wings wouldn't be some sort of untenable situation.

[SmartWentCrazy]

How many rookies to people want next year? We already have three coming in next year and maybe four. I still see trade proposals where core guys are gone for trade picks. Stevens doesn't want to coach a bunch of rooks.

FWIW, Jared Weiss, from CLNS Radio and CelticsBlog, reported late in his interview with Danny LeRoux on the most recent RealGM radio that one of the reasons we picked Yabusele was because he was open to being stashed for 1-2 seasons. I don't think it's a lock we bring him over next season. And 37 will likely be on the Red Claws for the full season, if it's not traded.

[jbent87]

The only reason Klay Thompson might even be considered a possibility is if he wants out and asks to be traded. He has another two years on his deal at pretty good money, why would Golden State trade him unless he asks them to? Even then they might just say no. If healthy that team could win several of the next 5 championships, is he likely to want to walk away from that?

The only reason I can see it happening is if they resign Curry and Durant to max deals and cant afford to give Thompson market value on his next contract and he decides he would rather take the money. Is he going to be worth $30 million a year at that stage?

the reason Klays name is out there right now is bc it's not feasible for GSW to fill out their roster when 90% of their cap is going to 4 players. Which is close to what would happen once they max Curry and Durant this summer. Celtics and Sixers with their "assets" and players on cheap rookie contracts still could make substantial offers that allow GSW some cap flexibility to fill out the rest of the roster in a presumed Klay trade.

[robdog_5]

Few random thoughts.

#1 I love the Klay idea, he knows how to play with a ball dominant PG whose a scorer in their own right, he shoots it really well, and defends well. 2 way player who is a legit star. He could even become a player with more usage for a legit contender and not a doormat team. Crowder (Or Bradley), Rozier, Zeller who they could dump on arrival and 2018 Brooklyn, and 2019 LAC pick, doubt that could get it done but that would be my starting point offer.

#2 I was thinking last night what bigs match what Stevens likes (OFF unselfish that can shoot) and what we need (mainly a REB). I also am really intrigued with guys who are available on defense to switch and defend PnR well. Not sure how to find these stats but would be interested in seeing finding a list of these guys out there. It's easier to find reb and shooting stats, but defending PnR has become so paramount and guys with enough athleticism to stay in front of people on perimeter in switch situations is huge. That's why Jordan Bell intrigues me in the 2nd round but I doubt he falls there.

#3 I still prefer to not use future 2018 Brooklyn pick in a trade if we can land Heyward. What's interesting though is you may need to make some of these decisions by the draft. Think Austin Ainge brought this up last year (maybe it was someone else in Boston Front Office) but the NBA should look at opening up FA before the draft IMO. maybe flip the dates, 1 and a half weeks of FA, then draft, then fill needs afterwards. So much is in play when you draft/trade that can't always be answered.

[Gomes3PC]

I'm not a huge Klay guy. I think he's a really good 3 point shooter who has benefited more than any other Warrior by all the talent he plays around. His defense runs hot and cold and I am not sure if he'd thrive being asked to play a bigger playmaking role than he has today.

For the right price, absolutely - shooting is everything and in the playoffs I think he'd bring it defensively. Just not a must-have guy for me.

One idea I had batting around was pitching a trade centered around shipping Bradley out to get WCS. Cauley-Stein is ready now to help a title contender as a big and his perimeter D is as good as it gets for a big man. He's got 2+ years of team control and the Kings have an obvious logjam at the forward/center spots.

Losing Avery would hurt but the reality is we don't have enough minutes to go around at the guard spot and we definitely can't afford to pay AB $20M+/yr like he'll get next summer. If Sacto really thinks Hield is their primary playmaker of the future, they can slot AB in as the off-ball guy who can defend the tougher guard each night and kill it as a spot-up secondary scorer. It's not a perfect deal but I do think it helps both teams in the near/long term.

[Gomes3PC]

How many rookies to people want next year? We already have three coming in next year and maybe four. I still see trade proposals where core guys are gone for trade picks. Stevens doesn't want to coach a bunch of rooks.

FWIW, Jared Weiss, from CLNS Radio and CelticsBlog, reported late in his interview with Danny LeRoux on the most recent RealGM radio that one of the reasons we picked Yabusele was because he was open to being stashed for 1-2 seasons. I don't think it's a lock we bring him over next season. And 37 will likely be on the Red Claws for the full season, if it's not traded.

Yabu and his agent probably said that last summer, but the way he played in China and Maine has almost certainly changed his view. Yabu deserves to be in the NBA in some form or fashion next year; I doubt he'll be thrilled going back to China or Europe.