Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

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Detroit looking for a more experienced player, willing to move #12 potentially.

[Gomes3PC]

Diminishing returns start to kick in with IT/Hayward/George. Would only want 2/3 of that group.

And I don't really like the acquisition cost (likely Jaylen and BK18) without a great frontcourt move to go along with it.

Horford isn't good enough to be on an island in the middle. And PG13 isn't a dominant PF like LBJ or Green.

Yeah, if we get Hayward, the next move should be doing everything possible to pry away a big man in a trade. Someone like DeAndre, Drummond, even a 2nd tier piece like Robin Lopez, Faried or Cody Zeller. Favors would be my dream pick but doubt Utah would play ball if we already stole Hayward from them.

This is one reason I almost hope we don't get Hayward - the big man solutions we'd then move to fix would be both expensive and insufficient.

My big wish list, other than unattainables like AD, Towns, Embiid, Gobert and Turner to a lesser extent (and Noel to an even lesser extent), is all guys who aren't in the NBA yet - Collins, Ayton, Bamba, Robert Williams (really like this kid).

Yeah, you look around at the true big landscape and it's bleak. We can all bellyache about Horford's deficiencies, but he's a borderline top 10 overall big. Finding a big who can defend, rebound, and not totally murder your spacing is hard.

[Gomes3PC]

I'm going to spitball some crazy **** ideas, so please comment on how you'd fix them etc. as targets for some big men:

#1 -- Myles Turner

Imagine that the Pacers decide they want to keep Paul George and think they need to upgrade the team to make them more competitive in order for him to stick around. So they trade Bradley and Crowder for Turner and Thaddeus Young in order to give them a core of:

Ellis/Bradley/PG/Crowder plus some young guys and depends on who they renew.

The Celtics then draft Fultz and sign Hayward to roll out a top 8 of:

Fultz/IT/Smart/Hayward/T.Young/J.Brown/Horford/Turner

I don't know, maybe this doesn't really make sense of Indiana, shrug.


#2 -- Aaron Gordon

Imagine the new GM in Orlando wants to do something about the imbalance on the roster, and foolishly decides to try to be more competitive now instead of focusing on the future. So they trade Gordon and a top 5 protected 2018 1st for IT, giving them a core of:

IT/Payton/Fournier/Ross/Vucevic/Biyombo plus whoever they draft at #6

The Celtics then draft Fultz and sign Hayward to roll out a top 8 of:

Fultz/AB/Smart/Hayward/Crowder/J.Brown/Gordon/Horford


#3 -- Porzingis

Imagine the Knicks in their incredible stupidity decide to engage in a pissing match with their young star/prospect Center. So they trade Porzingis and Melo to the Celtics for AB, Crowder, Zeller and Mickey (to make the salaries match). The Knicks end up with a "core" of:

AB/Crowder/Noah/C.Lee/Lance Thomas/Hernangomez and bunch of other disgusting players plus whoever they take with the #8 pick

The Celtics then draft Fultz and sign Hayward to roll out a top 8 of:

Fultz/IT/Smart/Hayward/J.Brown/Melo/Horford/Porzingis


I know these are all long shots, put trying to think of ways to get young big men prospects that have some minor chance of being available without sending all sorts of picks and prospects everywhere. Bash away...

Gordon is very intriguing to me, particularly if his sophomore performance is more indicative of his play than last year (it almost certainly is thanks to the stupidity of playing him at SF this year).

The only downer is he's not that great of a rim protector / interior defender, and that's a big hole we have with Horford playing center.

I really think the long-term answer is to find a paint-based PF or C who is still mobile enough not to get exposed badly on D. We need a big who can rebound and tussle with the Lopezes and Thompsons of the world.

My dream remains prying DeAndre away from the Clips. I think Horford can get by defensively at PF, especially in playoff halfcourt basketball, and Jordan would singlehandedly change our rebounding. It probably marginalizes Al a little bit like Thompson/LeBron do to Love, but when it really matters, having that beast in the paint is crucial as we learned against the Cavs. We just were too small, too frail to keep CLE from getting inside at will.

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From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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Which PG isn't willing to do

I have a funny feeling Ainge is ready to go gangbusters this offseason.

Fultz, Hayward plus one more big (star) piece. That's plan A I think.

[SmartWentCrazy]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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Which PG isn't willing to do

IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO TRADE AWAY KEY ASSETS FOR A PLAYER THAT WILL BE SEEKING A MEGA DEAL NEXT SUMMER.

Personally, I am not trading away the #1 pick even if George verbally commits to extending in Boston. Why do that when Ainge could draft Fultz AND sign Hayward in free agency without giving up any assets. save those assets for a trade for a big man.

My dream offseason is Anthony Davis and Gordon Hayward.

I'm also interested in a Fultz, Hayward, trade for a big type offseason.

I have a funny feeling Ainge is ready to go gangbusters this offseason.

Ainge is gunna try to add Hayward and keep adding top assets to make a play for Davis next summer once Boogie leaves. At that point, NO would desperately need to rebuild.

Ainge tried for Garnett for years, patiently waiting in the corner. I'd be shocked if he isn't doing the same this year An IT-AB-Hayward-Davis-Horford core would put the fear of God into LeBron and the Warriors.

[smith2373]

Anthony Davis has 4 years left on his contract and NO just went out and traded for an All-NBA player to pair him with. He is not on the market and he will not be for the foreseeable future. Let that pipedream go.

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Detroit looking for a more experienced player, willing to move #12 potentially.

Totally dependent on Collins' availability (I highly doubt he makes it to 12).

I continue to believe Dallas is the best trade into the lotto target for us.

[greenroom31]

Gordon is very intriguing to me, particularly if his sophomore performance is more indicative of his play than last year (it almost certainly is thanks to the stupidity of playing him at SF this year).

The only downer is he's not that great of a rim protector / interior defender, and that's a big hole we have with Horford playing center.

I really think the long-term answer is to find a paint-based PF or C who is still mobile enough not to get exposed badly on D. We need a big who can rebound and tussle with the Lopezes and Thompsons of the world.

My dream remains prying DeAndre away from the Clips. I think Horford can get by defensively at PF, especially in playoff halfcourt basketball, and Jordan would singlehandedly change our rebounding. It probably marginalizes Al a little bit like Thompson/LeBron do to Love, but when it really matters, having that beast in the paint is crucial as we learned against the Cavs. We just were too small, too frail to keep CLE from getting inside at will.

Totally fair and I agree with you. Just having a hard time finding young players who fit that bill who are remotely attainable.

[Gomes3PC]

Collins is going to be the "I can't believe he went so high!" pick this year. There's a dearth of bigs, he's intriguing on both ends of the court and teams always reach a bit for bigs.

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Detroit looking for a more experienced player, willing to move #12 potentially.

Interesting rumor, thanks for sharing. Unfortunately I don't share Demakis's view on the quality of big men available at #12 in this year's draft. Wouldn't give up any real asset (for example, AB, IT or Smart) for #12 this year.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Anthony Davis has 4 years left on his contract and NO just went out and traded for an All-NBA player to pair him with. He is not on the market and he will not be for the foreseeable future. Let that pipedream go.

A) he has 3 years, the last one is an option.
B) after next season, he'll have two years. If Boogie goes, that's the time to trade him. At that point, the Celtics package, whatever it may be, should be very attractive for a team that desperately would need a reset

[smith2373]

Anthony Davis has 4 years left on his contract and NO just went out and traded for an All-NBA player to pair him with. He is not on the market and he will not be for the foreseeable future. Let that pipedream go.

A) he has 3 years, the last one is an option.
B) after next season, he'll have two years. If Boogie goes, that's the time to trade him. At that point, the Celtics package, whatever it may be, should be very attractive for a team that desperately would need a reset

So in other words, he isn't available but MAYBE a year from now if things go wrong they might accept a phone call inquiring about him

[SmartWentCrazy]

Anthony Davis has 4 years left on his contract and NO just went out and traded for an All-NBA player to pair him with. He is not on the market and he will not be for the foreseeable future. Let that pipedream go.

A) he has 3 years, the last one is an option.
B) after next season, he'll have two years. If Boogie goes, that's the time to trade him. At that point, the Celtics package, whatever it may be, should be very attractive for a team that desperately would need a reset

So in other words, he isn't available but MAYBE a year from now if things go wrong they might accept a phone call inquiring about him

Yes. Given that Ainge has said on the record that he tried to acquire Garnett for years before the situation and asset base was correct, I don't know what's so ridiculous to think he may try to do it again with Davis. Especially when an offer of Fultz/Brown/Top 5 pick in 2018 draft will be very intriguing for a team that desperately needs to rebuild.

It's a low percentage shot, sure. So was Durant this year. So was Love before that. So was Garnett and Allen in 07. Ainge dreams big, and I doubt he isn't dreaming big right now.

[smith2373]

A) he has 3 years, the last one is an option.
B) after next season, he'll have two years. If Boogie goes, that's the time to trade him. At that point, the Celtics package, whatever it may be, should be very attractive for a team that desperately would need a reset

So in other words, he isn't available but MAYBE a year from now if things go wrong they might accept a phone call inquiring about him

Yes. Given that Ainge has said on the record that he tried to acquire Garnett for years before the situation and asset base was correct, I don't know what's so ridiculous to think he may try to do it again with Davis. Especially when an offer of Fultz/Brown/Top 5 pick in 2018 draft will be very intriguing for a team that desperately needs to rebuild.

It's a low percentage shot, sure. So was Durant this year. So was Love before that. So was Garnett and Allen in 07. Ainge dreams big, and I doubt he isn't dreaming big right now.

It's not ridiculous to think Ainge might one day go after him. It is pointless to continue discussing trading for him over and over when there's been no inclination whatsoever that the Pelicans are even listening to offers.

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Detroit looking for a more experienced player, willing to move #12 potentially.

AB, Minny pick and ??? for Markieff Morris & #12. Then take Giles..

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So in other words, he isn't available but MAYBE a year from now if things go wrong they might accept a phone call inquiring about him

Yes. Given that Ainge has said on the record that he tried to acquire Garnett for years before the situation and asset base was correct, I don't know what's so ridiculous to think he may try to do it again with Davis. Especially when an offer of Fultz/Brown/Top 5 pick in 2018 draft will be very intriguing for a team that desperately needs to rebuild.

It's a low percentage shot, sure. So was Durant this year. So was Love before that. So was Garnett and Allen in 07. Ainge dreams big, and I doubt he isn't dreaming big right now.

It's not ridiculous to think Ainge might one day go after him. It is pointless to continue discussing trading for him over and over when there's been no inclination whatsoever that the Pelicans are even listening to offers.

there IS A reason for the Pelies to listen to trade offers for Davis. That reason is very simple. To get better. They are stuck right now with Davis/Boogie and nothing else. They play in the West with no clear path to success. They are going to be linked to Seattle at some point coming up....these are the realities of sports. Demps is on his last legs. If Boston approached him with the #1, BK18, and some combination of pieces (there are many combinations), he would HAVE to listen closely with their big picture in mind.
this trade would be risky for both teams. but it could ultimately prove the right move for 2 franchises who are clearly at different junctures.

If Boston cashes in their asset pool for a superstar in Davis, they can sign Hayward and are ready to contend. The Pelies can develop a young core and aim to build a super team through the draft.

Fultz/BK18(Ayton? Porter?), Crowder (team control, friendly contract), Rozier, rights to Yabusele, Zeller (waive) and maybe even an extra pick (Memphis?)

Follow that up by dealing Boogie to Washington for Gortat/Oubre/1st round pick

they bottom out and develop their young talent. in 2018 they have TWO lottery tickets with their own pick and the BK18. Let's say they end up with #2 and #4.

draft Ayton or Porter at #2. Draft Doncic or Bamba at #4.

that's how you build a team from the ground up.

could work out really well for both franchises.

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Detroit looking for a more experienced player, willing to move #12 potentially.

AB, Minny pick and ??? for Markieff Morris & #12. Then take Giles..

well it would be Marcus Morris. Markieff plays for Washington

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Detroit looking for a more experienced player, willing to move #12 potentially.

AB, Minny pick and ??? for Markieff Morris & #12. Then take Giles..

well it would be Marcus Morris. Markieff plays for Washington

Uniforms look similar.

[smith2373]

Yes. Given that Ainge has said on the record that he tried to acquire Garnett for years before the situation and asset base was correct, I don't know what's so ridiculous to think he may try to do it again with Davis. Especially when an offer of Fultz/Brown/Top 5 pick in 2018 draft will be very intriguing for a team that desperately needs to rebuild.

It's a low percentage shot, sure. So was Durant this year. So was Love before that. So was Garnett and Allen in 07. Ainge dreams big, and I doubt he isn't dreaming big right now.

It's not ridiculous to think Ainge might one day go after him. It is pointless to continue discussing trading for him over and over when there's been no inclination whatsoever that the Pelicans are even listening to offers.

there IS A reason for the Pelies to listen to trade offers for Davis. That reason is very simple. To get better. They are stuck right now with Davis/Boogie and nothing else. They play in the West with no clear path to success. They are going to be linked to Seattle at some point coming up....these are the realities of sports. Demps is on his last legs. If Boston approached him with the #1, BK18, and some combination of pieces (there are many combinations), he would HAVE to listen closely with their big picture in mind.
this trade would be risky for both teams. but it could ultimately prove the right move for 2 franchises who are clearly at different junctures.

If Boston cashes in their asset pool for a superstar in Davis, they can sign Hayward and are ready to contend. The Pelies can develop a young core and aim to build a super team through the draft.

Fultz/BK18(Ayton? Porter?), Crowder (team control, friendly contract), Rozier, rights to Yabusele, Zeller (waive) and maybe even an extra pick (Memphis?)

Follow that up by dealing Boogie to Washington for Gortat/Oubre/1st round pick

they bottom out and develop their young talent. in 2018 they have TWO lottery tickets with their own pick and the BK18. Let's say they end up with #2 and #4.

draft Ayton or Porter at #2. Draft Doncic or Bamba at #4.

that's how you build a team from the ground up.

could work out really well for both franchises.

Again, there's no indication whatsoever that they want to blow their team up. It's purely wishful thinking on the part of fans trying to pry Davis away. Just because you think they would be better off going in that direction doesn't mean they do.

[Froob]

If Cavs get wrecked by the Dubs, I wonder if there's a chance to trade AB & Crowder for TT.

Ew.

Too much to give up? TT is a bit if an underrated offensive player. Passes on 50% of offensive rebounds according to Zach Lowe's piece

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TT would be humongous for us, part of the reason Cavs likely don't give him to us. But, Bradley's defense vs Steph would be big for them.