Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Valid]

It's not ridiculous to think Ainge might one day go after him. It is pointless to continue discussing trading for him over and over when there's been no inclination whatsoever that the Pelicans are even listening to offers.

there IS A reason for the Pelies to listen to trade offers for Davis. That reason is very simple. To get better. They are stuck right now with Davis/Boogie and nothing else. They play in the West with no clear path to success. They are going to be linked to Seattle at some point coming up....these are the realities of sports. Demps is on his last legs. If Boston approached him with the #1, BK18, and some combination of pieces (there are many combinations), he would HAVE to listen closely with their big picture in mind.
this trade would be risky for both teams. but it could ultimately prove the right move for 2 franchises who are clearly at different junctures.

If Boston cashes in their asset pool for a superstar in Davis, they can sign Hayward and are ready to contend. The Pelies can develop a young core and aim to build a super team through the draft.

Fultz/BK18(Ayton? Porter?), Crowder (team control, friendly contract), Rozier, rights to Yabusele, Zeller (waive) and maybe even an extra pick (Memphis?)

Follow that up by dealing Boogie to Washington for Gortat/Oubre/1st round pick

they bottom out and develop their young talent. in 2018 they have TWO lottery tickets with their own pick and the BK18. Let's say they end up with #2 and #4.

draft Ayton or Porter at #2. Draft Doncic or Bamba at #4.

that's how you build a team from the ground up.

could work out really well for both franchises.

Again, there's no indication whatsoever that they want to blow their team up. It's purely wishful thinking on the part of fans trying to pry Davis away. Just because you think they would be better off going in that direction doesn't mean they do.

Yeah. Davis is still only 24 and arguably a top-5 player in the league. It's hard to imagine any scenario in which they would get better by trading him.

[Froob]

Yes. Given that Ainge has said on the record that he tried to acquire Garnett for years before the situation and asset base was correct, I don't know what's so ridiculous to think he may try to do it again with Davis. Especially when an offer of Fultz/Brown/Top 5 pick in 2018 draft will be very intriguing for a team that desperately needs to rebuild.

It's a low percentage shot, sure. So was Durant this year. So was Love before that. So was Garnett and Allen in 07. Ainge dreams big, and I doubt he isn't dreaming big right now.

It's not ridiculous to think Ainge might one day go after him. It is pointless to continue discussing trading for him over and over when there's been no inclination whatsoever that the Pelicans are even listening to offers.

there IS A reason for the Pelies to listen to trade offers for Davis. That reason is very simple. To get better. They are stuck right now with Davis/Boogie and nothing else. They play in the West with no clear path to success. They are going to be linked to Seattle at some point coming up....these are the realities of sports. Demps is on his last legs. If Boston approached him with the #1, BK18, and some combination of pieces (there are many combinations), he would HAVE to listen closely with their big picture in mind.
this trade would be risky for both teams. but it could ultimately prove the right move for 2 franchises who are clearly at different junctures.

If Boston cashes in their asset pool for a superstar in Davis, they can sign Hayward and are ready to contend. The Pelies can develop a young core and aim to build a super team through the draft.

Fultz/BK18(Ayton? Porter?), Crowder (team control, friendly contract), Rozier, rights to Yabusele, Zeller (waive) and maybe even an extra pick (Memphis?)

Follow that up by dealing Boogie to Washington for Gortat/Oubre/1st round pick

they bottom out and develop their young talent. in 2018 they have TWO lottery tickets with their own pick and the BK18. Let's say they end up with #2 and #4.

draft Ayton or Porter at #2. Draft Doncic or Bamba at #4.

that's how you build a team from the ground up.

could work out really well for both franchises.

I dunno, from Demps perspective I think you ride out AD. I think if AD ends up being traded, Demps is getting canned shortly after. If he keeps AD and wins, he's good. Demps has failed if he takes AD and Boogie and becomes a tanking team.

[ddb]

It's not ridiculous to think Ainge might one day go after him. It is pointless to continue discussing trading for him over and over when there's been no inclination whatsoever that the Pelicans are even listening to offers.

there IS A reason for the Pelies to listen to trade offers for Davis. That reason is very simple. To get better. They are stuck right now with Davis/Boogie and nothing else. They play in the West with no clear path to success. They are going to be linked to Seattle at some point coming up....these are the realities of sports. Demps is on his last legs. If Boston approached him with the #1, BK18, and some combination of pieces (there are many combinations), he would HAVE to listen closely with their big picture in mind.
this trade would be risky for both teams. but it could ultimately prove the right move for 2 franchises who are clearly at different junctures.

If Boston cashes in their asset pool for a superstar in Davis, they can sign Hayward and are ready to contend. The Pelies can develop a young core and aim to build a super team through the draft.

Fultz/BK18(Ayton? Porter?), Crowder (team control, friendly contract), Rozier, rights to Yabusele, Zeller (waive) and maybe even an extra pick (Memphis?)

Follow that up by dealing Boogie to Washington for Gortat/Oubre/1st round pick

they bottom out and develop their young talent. in 2018 they have TWO lottery tickets with their own pick and the BK18. Let's say they end up with #2 and #4.

draft Ayton or Porter at #2. Draft Doncic or Bamba at #4.

that's how you build a team from the ground up.

could work out really well for both franchises.

Again, there's no indication whatsoever that they want to blow their team up. It's purely wishful thinking on the part of fans trying to pry Davis away. Just because you think they would be better off going in that direction doesn't mean they do.

sure, I'm wishful thinking. but it's also not as far fetched as the majority seems to think. I've been told that Davis is readily more available than what is led on. The Davis/Cousins pairing wasn't all that, and even though it was a small sample size, it's pretty clear that Demps ought to look at his options.
so unless Gordon Hayward is signing there and they reup Holiday, there remains NO PATH towards immediate contention. and if they don't at least make the playoffs, Boogie will leave for greener pastures

all I'm saying is don't be surprised when Davis' name pops up closer to the draft. I'm not saying he will get traded this summer. I'm just saying his name will come up, and if he isn't dealt, his name will continue to come up until he is ultimately traded.

Demps would be wise to trade him now while his value is sky high coming off a 1st team All-NBA individual season

[Fencer reregistered]

From Bulpett, so basically from Ainge

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One question is whether they'd do it before the draft, thus blowing the chance of using cap room on Hayward or Griffin.

Another question is whether "Before the draft" timing even matters. Assuming the deal doesn't include Brooklyn 17, the main way the draft is relevant is a multi-team deal in which -- for example -- Bradley and/or Crowder are traded for picks that are then moved on to Indy.

[jmr07019]

Pistons opened to moving 12 for an established player. Considering we need to clear a log jam and clear salary for Hayward.....Bradley or Crowder for 12?

[Froob]

Pistons opened to moving 12 for an established player. Considering we need to clear a log jam and clear salary for Hayward.....Bradley or Crowder for 12?

Don't forget the #1 pick, of course.

[jmr07019]

Pistons opened to moving 12 for an established player. Considering we need to clear a log jam and clear salary for Hayward.....Bradley or Crowder for 12?

Don't forget the #1 pick, of course.

How much are you expecting to get for Bradley or Crowder while also clearing salary? Neither is an allstar and Bradley only has 1 year left on his contract. I think you'd be lucky to get into the top 10 for either one.

[Froob]

Pistons opened to moving 12 for an established player. Considering we need to clear a log jam and clear salary for Hayward.....Bradley or Crowder for 12?

Don't forget the #1 pick, of course.

How much are you expecting to get for Bradley or Crowder while also clearing salary? Neither is an allstar and Bradley only has 1 year left on his contract. I think you'd be lucky to get into the top 10 for either one.

#1 pick isn't very valuable until we give it to some other team . So gotta say #1 pick + Crowder is fair game for the #12 pick.


No really I dunno, Bradley is extremely valuable for anybody hoping to be a contender, nice to have vs Kyrie or Steph. Maybe we could make a move for Love or TT if Cavs get killed.

[Darthlukey]

Pistons opened to moving 12 for an established player. Considering we need to clear a log jam and clear salary for Hayward.....Bradley or Crowder for 12?

I saw this and had the same idea. Can Detroit take on salary at the moment or would boston need to take some back?

[jmr07019]

Pistons opened to moving 12 for an established player. Considering we need to clear a log jam and clear salary for Hayward.....Bradley or Crowder for 12?

I saw this and had the same idea. Can Detroit take on salary at the moment or would boston need to take some back?

Boston would need to take some back which is not what I expected. Makes the deal less enticing from our POV

[Celts17Pride]

Pistons opened to moving 12 for an established player. Considering we need to clear a log jam and clear salary for Hayward.....Bradley or Crowder for 12?

So the pitch to Hayward is, So Gordon we just traded or starting 2 guard for a draft pick that "may help us in 4-5 years" come join us.

Where do I sign?

[Celts17Pride]

Malik Beasley was the #12 pick last year. Think about that for a minute

[jmr07019]

Pistons opened to moving 12 for an established player. Considering we need to clear a log jam and clear salary for Hayward.....Bradley or Crowder for 12?

So the pitch to Hayward is, So Gordon we just traded or starting 2 guard for a draft pick that "may help us in 4-5 years" come join us.

Where do I sign?

Apparently you are too dumb to understand the salary cap and luxury tax

[Celts17Pride]

Pistons opened to moving 12 for an established player. Considering we need to clear a log jam and clear salary for Hayward.....Bradley or Crowder for 12?

So the pitch to Hayward is, So Gordon we just traded or starting 2 guard for a draft pick that "may help us in 4-5 years" come join us.

Where do I sign?

Apparently you are too dumb to understand the salary cap and luxury tax

Celtics can sign a max guy, sign Thomas, sign Bradley and sign Smart if they choose

[DK-All Day]

Malik Beasley was the #12 pick last year. Think about that for a minute

Who?

[Celts17Pride]

Malik Beasley was the #12 pick last year. Think about that for a minute

Who?

Exactly!!!

[jmr07019]

So the pitch to Hayward is, So Gordon we just traded or starting 2 guard for a draft pick that "may help us in 4-5 years" come join us.

Where do I sign?

Apparently you are too dumb to understand the salary cap and luxury tax

Celtics can sign a max guy, sign Thomas, sign Bradley and sign Smart if they choose

Theoretically yes, realistically no

[Celts17Pride]

My mistake - Taurean Prince went 12 in the 2016 NBA draft

[wickerhd]

When did we start worrying about Wyc's money? Luxury tax shouldn't be an obstacle in the pursuit of excellence.


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[VeryMuchWoke]

Diminishing returns start to kick in with IT/Hayward/George. Would only want 2/3 of that group.

Sure, but the 2 we'd want are Hayward/George. PG is an isolation guy, while Hayward/IT fit the playmaker role, and both of those guys can be very good off ball. The only issue with that trio is ITs D and you can minimize that by giving him all the minutes against bench PGs, stagger him with Hayward and cut his minutes a bit against backcourt lineups with 2 tough covers. Basically make him an honorary starter/6th man and play him ~25-30mpg

And I don't really like the acquisition cost (likely Jaylen and BK18) without a great frontcourt move to go along with it.

I think you're overestimating PGs value in the final year if his deal. I think the cost would be more like Jaylen alone, or DeAngelo+Lottery protected first. Indiana has to take what they can get in that scenario and there will only be 2 bidders. Fultz/Ingram/Ball/BK 18 are probably all off the table.

You could be right. I think you have nailed the first asking price. It would come down to who has the leverage and who capitulates first.

Horford isn't good enough to be on an island in the middle. And PG13 isn't a dominant PF like LBJ or Green.

People way overvalue rim protection on this board. With a lineup like Fultz (in time)/Jaylen/Hayward/PG at the forward spots we'd have a very switchable lineup that would do a great job of containing penetration without putting the D in rotation.