Stanley Johnson

[canucklife21]

Timberwolves fan here. I come in peace.



Just an inquiring on the talents of Stanley Johnson. Following this senior and college career i had high hopes for stanley.

Just wanted to hear from Pistons fans, why stanley hasn't reached his potential.

i always assumed Stanley was gym rat and team first type of player however some rumbles are that h his development has taken a back seat due to off the court issues? i really find that hard to believe.

I still stanley is an NBA starter. Let me know pistons fans


P.S bring back the Teal jerseys for throwback nights!

[Cowology]

I wish we had played him significant minutes his first few seasons. He might still be a bust, but at least it would have given him a chance. I still think he has potential, but it's getting harder and harder to defend him.

Maybe it's that his skillset just doesn't mesh with the rest of the roster. He should be a plus defender who can put the ball on the floor and get to the basket, but mostly he just looks lost on offense. He's not a spot up shooter, doesn't move particularly well without the ball and isn't good at finishing even though he can sorta bully his way inside. I have a bad feeling he's a volume scorer on a bad team.

He's clearly struggled with the role SVG has asked him to play and been in and out of the doghouse. All of that said... I still wanna give him 1 more season to show what he's got. His value is so low right now that not much sense in doing anything else, but if that is gonna be the case then friggin play him big minutes for at least 12-15 games and see if he can establish anything. Not like this team is going anywhere; we really don't have much to lose.

[tradez401]

Timberwolves fan here. I come in peace.



Just an inquiring on the talents of Stanley Johnson. Following this senior and college career i had high hopes for stanley.

Just wanted to hear from Pistons fans, why stanley hasn't reached his potential.

i always assumed Stanley was gym rat and team first type of player however some rumbles are that h his development has taken a back seat due to off the court issues? i really find that hard to believe.

I still stanley is an NBA starter. Let me know pistons fans


P.S bring back the Teal jerseys for throwback nights!

imo stanley just doesnt fit this team. he needs consistent minutes and have the ball in his hands to make plays svg wants him to be an off ball 3&d guy and he's not that kind of player.

[whitehops]

Timberwolves fan here. I come in peace.

Just an inquiring on the talents of Stanley Johnson. Following this senior and college career i had high hopes for stanley.

Just wanted to hear from Pistons fans, why stanley hasn't reached his potential.

i always assumed Stanley was gym rat and team first type of player however some rumbles are that h his development has taken a back seat due to off the court issues? i really find that hard to believe.

he definitely hasn't had an easy transition to the nba. he was perceived to be a 3/4 coming out of college but it's turned out that he's more of a 2/3, and at 240 he was too slow to guard 2's. he dropped 15 pounds so he's 225 now, which is still a little heavy but he looks a lot better out there. he was pegged as a "good at all, master of none" type player and that's translated to the nba, except against the better competition it's more of "average at best, good at none" offensively. defensively he's better than a lot of players his age but still not great with nba rotations/fundamentals.

the off-court concerns i think are mainly a combination of stubbornness/immaturity. i know myself and other pistons fans are a little concerned because his biggest influences on the team are reggie jackson and andre drummond, who have their own maturity concerns. SJ also was raised by a single mother (parents divorced) and she passed away a year ago, so he's got to be kind of lost right now.

an example of the stubbornness is last offseason - SVG asked him not to play in drew league or anything like that and simply work on his weaknesses. lo and behold, SJ played in the drew league. i think he still has to learn how to be a professional, then he'll start to realize his potential.

[DBC10]

He has a long ways to go to even be considered a starter for this team with the way the roster is constructed as is right now.

Because he's not better than KCP, Morris, and Tobias, the three positions we may need a clear superstar at. I honestly don't know what he's really good at anymore, apart from his decent defense. I thought he'd be a poorman's Paul Pierce type ceiling, but now it's looking like we may be lucky if he can be Jae Crowder. Which isn't a bad thing per se, but just something about SJ I never really agreed with the pick.

[dVs33]

I still think he can be a solid starter. He reworked his shooting stroke last offseason and it seemed like he couldn't get it right during the season. He is still a good defender for the most part.
I think he needs to be thrown to the wolves. SVG needs to up his minutes.

[Pharaoh]

It would take a really good offer for me to move SJ.

1 - he's super young and is a gym rat

2 - his mentality can't be bought or taught

3 - at worst he'll be a good defender on the perimeter

4 - at best he's a starter on a winning team.

I never expected him to be a superstar. I expected SVG to give him a specific role from day one and develop him.

SVG has consistently changed his role, chained him to the bench, sat him entirely...

As for the Drew League &Summer League stuff: yes SVG initially said SJ should focus on skill work that off-season...

But I honestly don't believe SJ defied SVG!

The story that was circulated at the time was that SJ had demonstrated to SVG that he had put in heaps of work and wanted to test that work on the floor.

SJs Summer League play backed that up!

People are looking for reasons to explain why SVG has been so cold on SJ & from all I've seen & read it's cause SJ doesn't bring it in practice

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[ImHeisenberg]

he definitely hasn't had an easy transition to the nba. he was perceived to be a 3/4 coming out of college but it's turned out that he's more of a 2/3, and at 240 he was too slow to guard 2's. he dropped 15 pounds so he's 225 now, which is still a little heavy but he looks a lot better out there. he was pegged as a "good at all, master of none" type player and that's translated to the nba, except against the better competition it's more of "average at best, good at none" offensively. defensively he's better than a lot of players his age but still not great with nba rotations/fundamentals.

the off-court concerns i think are mainly a combination of stubbornness/immaturity. i know myself and other pistons fans are a little concerned because his biggest influences on the team are reggie jackson and andre drummond, who have their own maturity concerns. SJ also was raised by a single mother (parents divorced) and she passed away a year ago, so he's got to be kind of lost right now.

an example of the stubbornness is last offseason - SVG asked him not to play in drew league or anything like that and simply work on his weaknesses. lo and behold, SJ played in the drew league. i think he still has to learn how to be a professional, then he'll start to realize his potential.

This is probably the best response you can get on Stanley.

[Pharaoh]

he definitely hasn't had an easy transition to the nba. he was perceived to be a 3/4 coming out of college but it's turned out that he's more of a 2/3, and at 240 he was too slow to guard 2's. he dropped 15 pounds so he's 225 now, which is still a little heavy but he looks a lot better out there. he was pegged as a "good at all, master of none" type player and that's translated to the nba, except against the better competition it's more of "average at best, good at none" offensively. defensively he's better than a lot of players his age but still not great with nba rotations/fundamentals.

the off-court concerns i think are mainly a combination of stubbornness/immaturity. i know myself and other pistons fans are a little concerned because his biggest influences on the team are reggie jackson and andre drummond, who have their own maturity concerns. SJ also was raised by a single mother (parents divorced) and she passed away a year ago, so he's got to be kind of lost right now.

an example of the stubbornness is last offseason - SVG asked him not to play in drew league or anything like that and simply work on his weaknesses. lo and behold, SJ played in the drew league. i think he still has to learn how to be a professional, then he'll start to realize his potential.

This is probably the best response you can get on Stanley.

Except the bold is incorrect!

Maybe cause I live in Oz I read more articles then most but I swear it was mentioned that SJ had the green light from SVG

I believe summer league was specifically mentioned as people were a bit WTF when SJ was named to the team.

The negativity is strong this off-season & while it's understandable after such a disappointing season Stanley Johnson represents hope on both ends of the floor

He's strong, willing to fight, id capable of being a secondary ball handler, can get after it on D and more importantly actually wants to go toe to toe with the best of the best

Is he as good as I hoped for? Not yet & honestly maybe never.

But he's also not as bad as some would have you believe

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[Sheedpocalypse]

I come in peace.

Get him!



j/k

Like everyone else said, wrong fit on the team as is with SVG's current playbook. That being said, I still see potential in this kid. it's a big if though, that we'll see that develop with this Pistons roster...

[Billl]

The problem right now with SJ is that his head thinks he can go one-on-one with lebron and his skill set says otherwise. Eventually, that might be a good thing, but it's hurting him in the short term.

He actually has a lot of talent on both ends of the floor. He just tries to do more than he is currently capable of. He'll make a decent move off the dribble and the run into a second defender and has no idea what to do. He'll make overly aggressive plays on D and seems to think he'll be able to recover - but this is the NBA and guys exploit that. If he just STFU and consistently did the things he's capable of, he would he a quality rotation player and likely starter. As is, he's making a 50/50 mix of great and horrible plays. This will be a big season for him. He's clearly capable of taking a (big) step forward..... but we were saying the same thing last summer.

[whitehops]

Except the bold is incorrect!

Maybe cause I live in Oz I read more articles then most but I swear it was mentioned that SJ had the green light from SVG

I believe summer league was specifically mentioned as people were a bit WTF when SJ was named to the team.

Yeah that's what happened with the summer league, but he played in the Drew league too which is pretty much like streetball.

[DCintheD]

Stanley for Dunn

[Pharaoh]

Except the bold is incorrect!

Maybe cause I live in Oz I read more articles then most but I swear it was mentioned that SJ had the green light from SVG

I believe summer league was specifically mentioned as people were a bit WTF when SJ was named to the team.

Yeah that's what happened with the summer league, but he played in the Drew league too which is pretty much like streetball.

I think it's logical to assume that SJ put the work & got SVGs approval to play SL & Drew League

The idea being SJ can actually test the work he's done in real situations as opposed to practice.

So if I'm corect about that article (& I'm 99.9% sure I am) then it's safe to assume Drew League was allowed by SVG

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[Billl]

Allowed <> encouraged. I can't imagine there are any coaches/gms that actually want their players in the Drew League. There is no upside and there is a big downside for potential injury.

[theBigLip]

Going back to the Winslow/SJ draft debate, we knew Winslow was more polished offensively (like he had a jump shot, SJ not so much). But SJ is a better defender and seems to have a better work ethic. I see him as a starter at best but never an AllStar.

[gusman]

The guy blows. How any piston fan can see beyond that simply amazes me.

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[captainrebel]

I'm ready to move on. Trade him. Slow development or fit,I don't know but sometimes its better to part ways sooner than later. Good luck , StanJohn.

[MrBigShot]

Honestly I felt Stanley had a fairly decent rookie season. Not particularly efficient (much better pre-ASG than post, also) but he showed flashes of being a pretty good starter 2-3 years down the line, and perhaps a star later on if things really fell into place for him.

Then at the start this season he was just kind of horrendous and him being unable to contribute much led to SVG limiting his role/minutes a lot and I think it definitely had a huge impact on his confidence and development. He's a guy that is used to having the ball in his hands and being involved in the offense; ultimately his shooting, slashing, finishing and just general decision making are all really putrid right now and not being able to contribute even in limited minutes isn't a good sign, but I don't believe he's as bad a player as he showed this season and still haven't given up on him.

He has a lot of work to do to this off-season, there's no doubt about that though.

[El Chivo]

Going back to the Winslow/SJ draft debate, we knew Winslow was more polished offensively (like he had a jump shot, SJ not so much). But SJ is a better defender and seems to have a better work ethic. I see him as a starter at best but never an AllStar.

Winslow's defense is way better than Stan's.

Btw, he's gonna play another Drew League. It's time to trade him, his attitude is becoming cancerous.