2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[bwgood77]

The blazers draftedntheir team just fine, the problem is oshley got scared because PDX is such a small market team and kept all his rfa's strictly because of that fear of no one would want to come here. He actually made a ton of really bad moves last off-season like re signing meyers, over paying crabbe, over paying Turner ECT. But then the nuggets showed up and totally bailed him out with the nurkic trade. The blazers are going to be really good next year all because of that trade . Like a 3 or 4 seed.

I'm not worried about the suns turning into the blazers at this point but it all starts with Alex Len. We cannot overpay him and start on the path of keeping bad role players on crap contracts.

What a ridiculous trade, oh my.
Nurkic had to be destroying their locker room... i've got nothing else to explain that.

Yeah, it seems like it would have been lopsided if it was Plumlee and a 1st for Nurkic, but Nurkic and a 1st for Plumlee?

[darealjuice]

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Pistons wanted to talk about Bledsoe around the draft, especially with rumors that they were talking with us a lot during the deadline. Not sure if #12 is enough for him though, and Stanley Johnson is the only player on their roster I'd be remotely interested in taking in, but he looked really bad this year. There's no one I'm too crazy about projected around 12 either.

[LukasBMW]

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Pistons wanted to talk about Bledsoe around the draft, especially with rumors that they were talking with us a lot during the deadline. Not sure if #12 is enough for him though, and Stanley Johnson is the only player on their roster I'd be remotely interested in taking in, but he looked really bad this year. There's no one I'm too crazy about projected around 12 either.

I'd be ecstatic to offer them a veteran in exchange for #12. That veteran is former lottery pick and all star snub named Brandon Knight. I'd even throw in #32 and #54.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Bledsoe is worth a lot more than the 12th pick alone, But should they be willing to throw in Drummond and we can give them Dudley or chandler, Then I might listen.

[kennydorglas]

SvG really hates rookies, man

[Ghost of Kleine]

SvG really hates rookies, man

I hear you brother, Perhaps Tyson Chandler or Dudley for the #12 then? Would that be reasonable maybe?

[Frank Lee]

why ?????

draft fever is spreading. There is little to no difference in the talent level from 12 to 32.... just a bigger selection. I can't see any reason we'd deal Duds or Chandler unless they requested it... and I doubt Detroit is on their wish list.

[AtheJ415]

why ?????

draft fever is spreading. There is little to no difference in the talent level from 12 to 32.... just a bigger selection. I can't see any reason we'd deal Duds or Chandler unless they requested it... and I doubt Detroit is on their wish list.

We should be building for 5 years from now--not next year. If Detroit offers 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should make that trade 1000 times out of 1000.

We can go for these pipe dreams of Paul George or Jimmy Butler, but we aren't even close to competing with GS even if we get either of them AND Hayward. 12 can get you some damn good players with damn good upside. You take the one you like best at 12 and it gives you an extra shot at drafting a star.

[Frank Lee]

the fever is strong
once infected, there is no cure...



it just has to run its course.

[bwgood77]

I don't think dumping Knight now is the right move. If we can get a mid-first then do it, but we shouldn't be attaching any of our top 2 picks in this draft or any future 1st to dump him. Reason being, we have plenty of cap space to begin with, and being aggressive in FA makes 0 sense for this team. If we add Blake Griffin/Hayward/etc., we still aren't competing, and even if we want to add them there are better ways to clear that space (trade Chandler, for instance, for a future pick).

Particularly if we are planning on moving Bledsoe, part of the benefit is that it moves Knight up in the rotation, and maybe he quits pouting like a baby and rehabilitates his value enough to get rid of him without attaching something.

A mid first? Is that a joke? I am not even sure if he was a FA if there is a team that would sign him to his current contract, so there sure as hell isn't a team giving up a first for him, particularly a mid first.

Knight isn't pouting. He has done anything but that. He's simply just not a very good NBA player.

[AtheJ415]

I don't think dumping Knight now is the right move. If we can get a mid-first then do it, but we shouldn't be attaching any of our top 2 picks in this draft or any future 1st to dump him. Reason being, we have plenty of cap space to begin with, and being aggressive in FA makes 0 sense for this team. If we add Blake Griffin/Hayward/etc., we still aren't competing, and even if we want to add them there are better ways to clear that space (trade Chandler, for instance, for a future pick).

Particularly if we are planning on moving Bledsoe, part of the benefit is that it moves Knight up in the rotation, and maybe he quits pouting like a baby and rehabilitates his value enough to get rid of him without attaching something.

A mid first? Is that a joke? I am not even sure if he was a FA if there is a team that would sign him to his current contract, so there sure as hell isn't a team giving up a first for him, particularly a mid first.

Knight isn't pouting. He has done anything but that. He's simply just not a very good NBA player.

No. It's a reference to the prior post regarding trading him for a mid first.

And he is pouting. He refused to play in a game this season. That is as pout-filled as you can get.

He has never been as bad as he is now. He was at least serviceable his entire career until what we have seen since his benching.

[AtheJ415]

the fever is strong
once infected, there is no cure...



it just has to run its course.

I just wish those with an ill-conceived desire to hurry up and be the 5-8 seed with 0 shot at a title would break their fever. It's been running for 3 years now.

[bwgood77]

I don't think dumping Knight now is the right move. If we can get a mid-first then do it, but we shouldn't be attaching any of our top 2 picks in this draft or any future 1st to dump him. Reason being, we have plenty of cap space to begin with, and being aggressive in FA makes 0 sense for this team. If we add Blake Griffin/Hayward/etc., we still aren't competing, and even if we want to add them there are better ways to clear that space (trade Chandler, for instance, for a future pick).

Particularly if we are planning on moving Bledsoe, part of the benefit is that it moves Knight up in the rotation, and maybe he quits pouting like a baby and rehabilitates his value enough to get rid of him without attaching something.

A mid first? Is that a joke? I am not even sure if he was a FA if there is a team that would sign him to his current contract, so there sure as hell isn't a team giving up a first for him, particularly a mid first.

Knight isn't pouting. He has done anything but that. He's simply just not a very good NBA player.

No. It's a reference to the prior post regarding trading him for a mid first.

And he is pouting. He refused to play in a game this season. That is as pout-filled as you can get.

He has never been as bad as he is now. He was at least serviceable his entire career until what we have seen since his benching.

Yes, I saw the previous post before. Yes, I guess he did say he had back spasms or whatever and that pouting assumption was made, but I'm pretty sure he wants to play. Overall he has been very professional about being benched.

[bwgood77]

why ?????

draft fever is spreading. There is little to no difference in the talent level from 12 to 32.... just a bigger selection. I can't see any reason we'd deal Duds or Chandler unless they requested it... and I doubt Detroit is on their wish list.

We should be building for 5 years from now--not next year. If Detroit offers 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should make that trade 1000 times out of 1000.

We can go for these pipe dreams of Paul George or Jimmy Butler, but we aren't even close to competing with GS even if we get either of them AND Hayward. 12 can get you some damn good players with damn good upside. You take the one you like best at 12 and it gives you an extra shot at drafting a star.

12 is probably fair value for Bledsoe. Yeah, of course if they would trade 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should do it. but that's obviously extremely far fetched.

[AtheJ415]

why ?????

draft fever is spreading. There is little to no difference in the talent level from 12 to 32.... just a bigger selection. I can't see any reason we'd deal Duds or Chandler unless they requested it... and I doubt Detroit is on their wish list.

We should be building for 5 years from now--not next year. If Detroit offers 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should make that trade 1000 times out of 1000.

We can go for these pipe dreams of Paul George or Jimmy Butler, but we aren't even close to competing with GS even if we get either of them AND Hayward. 12 can get you some damn good players with damn good upside. You take the one you like best at 12 and it gives you an extra shot at drafting a star.

12 is probably fair value for Bledsoe. Yeah, of course if they would trade 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should do it. but that's obviously extremely far fetched.

I actually think Bledsoe is worth more than 12, even in this draft. That said, I like the top 11 projected players much better than who is projected to be there at 12. If the top 11 went as projected on draftexpress and we moved Bledsoe for 12, I'd probably take Anunoby. Problem is if we take Isaac or Jackson at 4, we can't really take Anunoby.

[bwgood77]

We should be building for 5 years from now--not next year. If Detroit offers 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should make that trade 1000 times out of 1000.

We can go for these pipe dreams of Paul George or Jimmy Butler, but we aren't even close to competing with GS even if we get either of them AND Hayward. 12 can get you some damn good players with damn good upside. You take the one you like best at 12 and it gives you an extra shot at drafting a star.

12 is probably fair value for Bledsoe. Yeah, of course if they would trade 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should do it. but that's obviously extremely far fetched.

I actually think Bledsoe is worth more than 12, even in this draft. That said, I like the top 11 projected players much better than who is projected to be there at 12. If the top 11 went as projected on draftexpress and we moved Bledsoe for 12, I'd probably take Anunoby. Problem is if we take Isaac or Jackson at 4, we can't really take Anunoby.

I agree with all that. In a nutshell I wouldn't trade him for Anunoby, unless maybe we drafted Fox or a PG, and then still maybe not, but I think that is about his market value because I don't know for sure if a top 11 team would move their pick for him. I think 12 is his market value which means we likely keep him.

I think the plan is to keep him anyway at this point, at least for a little while.

[Ghost of Kleine]

why ?????

draft fever is spreading. There is little to no difference in the talent level from 12 to 32.... just a bigger selection. I can't see any reason we'd deal Duds or Chandler unless they requested it... and I doubt Detroit is on their wish list.

We should be building for 5 years from now--not next year. If Detroit offers 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should make that trade 1000 times out of 1000.

We can go for these pipe dreams of Paul George or Jimmy Butler, but we aren't even close to competing with GS even if we get either of them AND Hayward. 12 can get you some damn good players with damn good upside. You take the one you like best at 12 and it gives you an extra shot at drafting a star.

12 is probably fair value for Bledsoe. Yeah, of course if they would trade 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should do it. but that's obviously extremely far fetched.

Maybe it is? And then again maybe it isn't? How sound has Detroits' management decisions been as of late anyways? And much stranger and less logical trades have taken place in the last few years. Dudley gives them a smart veteran small forward with a reliable three point shot and reasonable defense. And Tyson gives them a playoff seasoned veteran defensive center with leadership qualities and a championship pedigree. Afterall, They said that they want win now veteran players. Chandler has already won at the highest level,and Dudley has a winners' mentality in excess.


Just curious.............Just what kind of deal do you really expect them(Detroit) to get for the 12th pick Bgood ? And please don't say #12 is fair value for Bledsoe, When he's been putting up near all star type numbers on a contract that is lower than market value would dictate for similar players . Thinking that Bledsoe is only worth only the 12th pick at most seems extremely far fetched to me. And some of those teams might actually want to compete sooner rather than later if possible too. Would acquiring Bledsoe be a step in the wrong direction in that capacity?

[bwgood77]

We should be building for 5 years from now--not next year. If Detroit offers 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should make that trade 1000 times out of 1000.

We can go for these pipe dreams of Paul George or Jimmy Butler, but we aren't even close to competing with GS even if we get either of them AND Hayward. 12 can get you some damn good players with damn good upside. You take the one you like best at 12 and it gives you an extra shot at drafting a star.

12 is probably fair value for Bledsoe. Yeah, of course if they would trade 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should do it. but that's obviously extremely far fetched.

Maybe it is? And then again maybe it isn't? How sound has Detroits' management decisions been as of late anyways? And much stranger and less logical trades have taken place in the last few years. Dudley gives them a smart veteran small forward with a reliable three point shot and reasonable defense. And Tyson gives them a playoff seasoned veteran defensive center with leadership qualities and a championship pedigree. Afterall, They said that they want win now veteran players. Chandler has already won at the highest level,and Dudley has a winners' mentality in excess.


Just curious.............Just what kind of deal do you really expect them(Detroit) to get for the 12th pick Bgood ? And please don't say #12 is fair value for Bledsoe, When he's been putting up near all star type numbers on a contract that is lower than market value would dictate for similar players . Thinking that Bledsoe is only worth only the 12th pick at most seems extremely far fetched to me. And some of those teams might actually want to compete sooner rather than later if possible too. Would acquiring Bledsoe be a step in the wrong direction in that capacity?

I have no idea what Detroit could get for the pick. I find it funny when people keep saying Bledsoe near all start when better guards in the west get left out of the all star game every year. I don't think Lillard or Conley made it.

I am just not trying to be biased. 12th pick actually would probably be higher value than league consensus. If you really want unbiased opinions, post a thread asking what is Bledsoes trade value worth?...you can specify a pick in the draft or whatever...Maybe ...."How high of a pick in the draft is Bledsoe worth?" But for a fair answer, ask here. viewforum.php?f=2

They will probably slightly undervalue him but it should b relatively close.

[Ghost of Kleine]

12 is probably fair value for Bledsoe. Yeah, of course if they would trade 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should do it. but that's obviously extremely far fetched.

Maybe it is? And then again maybe it isn't? How sound has Detroits' management decisions been as of late anyways? And much stranger and less logical trades have taken place in the last few years. Dudley gives them a smart veteran small forward with a reliable three point shot and reasonable defense. And Tyson gives them a playoff seasoned veteran defensive center with leadership qualities and a championship pedigree. Afterall, They said that they want win now veteran players. Chandler has already won at the highest level,and Dudley has a winners' mentality in excess.


Just curious.............Just what kind of deal do you really expect them(Detroit) to get for the 12th pick Bgood ? And please don't say #12 is fair value for Bledsoe, When he's been putting up near all star type numbers on a contract that is lower than market value would dictate for similar players . Thinking that Bledsoe is only worth only the 12th pick at most seems extremely far fetched to me. And some of those teams might actually want to compete sooner rather than later if possible too. Would acquiring Bledsoe be a step in the wrong direction in that capacity?

I have no idea what Detroit could get for the pick. I find it funny when people keep saying Bledsoe near all start when better guards in the west get left out of the all star game every year. I don't think Lillard or Conley made it.

I am just not trying to be biased. 12th pick actually would probably be higher value than league consensus. If you really want unbiased opinions, post a thread asking what is Bledsoes trade value worth?...you can specify a pick in the draft or whatever...Maybe ...."How high of a pick in the draft is Bledsoe worth?" But for a fair answer, ask here. viewforum.php?f=2

They will probably slightly undervalue him but it should b relatively close.

Posted it on there, Just waiting for results . I was spending some time on the trade boards reviewing what most of the other teams were willing to offer Detroit for the 12th pick, and it basically ranged from Courtney lee, to ryan Anderson, to Norman powell , or jon leur. And most thinking that they should just trade down to cut salary.

So far it seems like most scenarios could feasibly be in play afterall. I personally wouldn't trade Bledsoe alone for #12, But perhaps Bledsoe and alex Len for #12 and Andre Drummond. That is since they need cap relief bad, And van gundy isn't too fond of Drummond anyhow.

[AtheJ415]

12 is probably fair value for Bledsoe. Yeah, of course if they would trade 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should do it. but that's obviously extremely far fetched.

Maybe it is? And then again maybe it isn't? How sound has Detroits' management decisions been as of late anyways? And much stranger and less logical trades have taken place in the last few years. Dudley gives them a smart veteran small forward with a reliable three point shot and reasonable defense. And Tyson gives them a playoff seasoned veteran defensive center with leadership qualities and a championship pedigree. Afterall, They said that they want win now veteran players. Chandler has already won at the highest level,and Dudley has a winners' mentality in excess.


Just curious.............Just what kind of deal do you really expect them(Detroit) to get for the 12th pick Bgood ? And please don't say #12 is fair value for Bledsoe, When he's been putting up near all star type numbers on a contract that is lower than market value would dictate for similar players . Thinking that Bledsoe is only worth only the 12th pick at most seems extremely far fetched to me. And some of those teams might actually want to compete sooner rather than later if possible too. Would acquiring Bledsoe be a step in the wrong direction in that capacity?

I have no idea what Detroit could get for the pick. I find it funny when people keep saying Bledsoe near all start when better guards in the west get left out of the all star game every year. I don't think Lillard or Conley made it.

I am just not trying to be biased. 12th pick actually would probably be higher value than league consensus. If you really want unbiased opinions, post a thread asking what is Bledsoes trade value worth?...you can specify a pick in the draft or whatever...Maybe ...."How high of a pick in the draft is Bledsoe worth?" But for a fair answer, ask here. viewforum.php?f=2

They will probably slightly undervalue him but it should b relatively close.

I'm sorry but fans are HORRIBLE at deciding player value. So are reporters. Just last year fans on real gm including our own posters and even Zach Lowe were convinced Phoenix was going to have to include a first rounder to get rid of Markieff. Others thought all-NBA season Dragic for DMo was fair. I see trade proposals all day that are absolutely heinous from fans in those forums.

And actually Bledsoe is ahead of Conley at the same age. Call it what you want, but I can't remember the last time somebody as productive as Bledsoe was traded for just 1 mid-first rounder when he is on a bargain contract for the next 2 years and is only 27.

I think we should move Bledsoe, but it should be for a package of youngsters or multiple mid-tier picks or at least one premium one.