Mock Off-Season: NBA Draft and continuation of Mock Offseason part 1

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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1561 » by Mich3006 » Wed May 31, 2017 1:41 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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kalenclayton wrote: If we are taking on Knight, we will need to send something out. We can include a few different things:
- We can add Jordan Clarkson to the trade, but we will need more assets coming our way. (Prefered route)
- We can add salary filler in some combination of Galloway, Booker, and McRoberts.
- Other players can be added, but for extra compensation. (Example: Koufos)

The problem with taking on Knight is that we already have a somewhat balanced roster. If we add another Combo Guard, then we risk taking minutes away from Fox, Hield and Malachi. This is why we are asking to send back something or expand the trade.

bwgood77 wrote:.

I really like the idea with Clarkson and would send you Mudiay or Cam Oliver in exchange?!

Let´s wait for BW what he says but something like Clarkson, Barton, GSW 2018 2nd, right to swap picks with DEN for Bledsoe and Knight is fair value imo.


Clarkson, Barton, and the 60th pick in the draft? No, that's not a fair value. I don't even find that close at all. A pick swap with a better team is essentially worthless.

To make this clear I´d like to sum up the proposed deal:

Nuggets trade: Barton, Mudiay or Nelson, 2018 1st, pick swap 2019 or 2020
Nuggets aquire: Bledsoe
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Suns trade: Bledsoe, Knight
Suns aquire: Clarkson, Barton, DEN 2018 1st
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Kings trade: Clarkson
Kings aquire: Knight, Mudiay or Nelson, pick swap 2019 or 2020 (if you can´t use the swap rights, we can negotiate a fitting replacement)

Don´t know what BW is thinking about Clarkson but he´s a young stud on a solid deal though.

Feel free to optimize that deal...
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Re: Mock Off-Season: NBA Draft 

Post#1562 » by BullyKing » Wed May 31, 2017 2:03 pm

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bdpecore wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:Gotcha. I would say that the draft was really fun in the beginning, but there definitely should be time limits and time zones stated.

I apologize for when I had to pick at 10. That took at a while because I was getting trade offers. That was my fault for sure.

I agree time limits and time zones would help to speed up the process. It would also add a realistic feel to the draft when you are fielding multiple offers but are still under a time crunch to make a decision. Personally I would enjoy this aspect but others may not.

I would love it. It should be done on a weekend where most people will have the most time. Sportscrazy had the right idea with this one, it just lasted a lot longer than expected.


I think there are a number of potential improvements we should keep in mind for future editions (of which I hope there are many). In addition to time limits for picks, I was thinking of a rule where you can't trade someone you acquired during this offseason. I'm guilty of it too but it is rare in real life and its happening a ton here.
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Re: RE: Re: Mock Off-Season: NBA Draft 

Post#1563 » by jredsaz » Wed May 31, 2017 2:10 pm

BullyKing wrote:
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bdpecore wrote:I agree time limits and time zones would help to speed up the process. It would also add a realistic feel to the draft when you are fielding multiple offers but are still under a time crunch to make a decision. Personally I would enjoy this aspect but others may not.

I would love it. It should be done on a weekend where most people will have the most time. Sportscrazy had the right idea with this one, it just lasted a lot longer than expected.


I think there are a number of potential improvements we should keep in mind for future editions (of which I hope there are many). In addition to time limits for picks, I was thinking of a rule where you can't trade someone you acquired during this offseason. I'm guilty of it too but it is rare in real life and its happening a ton here.

I'm in full support of this

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Re: Mock Off-Season: NBA Draft 

Post#1564 » by bdpecore » Wed May 31, 2017 2:14 pm

BullyKing wrote:In addition to time limits for picks, I was thinking of a rule where you can't trade someone you acquired during this offseason. I'm guilty of it too but it is rare in real life and its happening a ton here.

Unless your name is Luke Ridnour, then you get passed around like a joint.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1565 » by Mich3006 » Wed May 31, 2017 2:22 pm

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Your offer (Delaney, 2018 MIN pick for Mudiay) still on?
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1566 » by DerrickNoah » Wed May 31, 2017 2:27 pm

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DerrickNoah wrote:.

Your offer (Delaney, 2018 MIN pick for Mudiay) still on?

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Post#1567 » by DerrickNoah » Wed May 31, 2017 2:32 pm

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DerrickNoah wrote:
NashtyNas wrote:
Is there a cost attached to Dwight outside of being able to match salaries and providing a decent C in return?
Also, if you're shopping Dwight, is Millsap available in a S&T?

I just want something comparable to the agreed upon CLE trade,before he disappeared.
"Dwight for Tristan, Shump, 3-2nd rd picks"
I just do not want 60M frontcourt while ATL is retooling.

Not looking to S&T Millsap.


Indy has an ugly offer..

Ian Mahinmi, Kris Dunn... We'd add all the seconds you want. Or Jordan Mickey / Niang / Wade Baldwin?

We have to send out Ian for salaries.. Which hurts any offer we make obviously, unless you are a fan of Dunn. Which no one seems to be.

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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1568 » by jayjaysee » Wed May 31, 2017 2:39 pm

DerrickNoah wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
DerrickNoah wrote:I just want something comparable to the agreed upon CLE trade,before he disappeared.
"Dwight for Tristan, Shump, 3-2nd rd picks"
I just do not want 60M frontcourt while ATL is retooling.

Not looking to S&T Millsap.


Indy has an ugly offer..

Ian Mahinmi, Kris Dunn... We'd add all the seconds you want. Or Jordan Mickey / Niang / Wade Baldwin?

We have to send out Ian for salaries.. Which hurts any offer we make obviously, unless you are a fan of Dunn. Which no one seems to be.

How many 2nd rounders?


Well the Pacers seconds are tied up with the protection on the one we owe Brooklyn.. So any I trade have to be 31-44 protected until Brooklyn gets our second...

So 2-3 of those?
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1569 » by Mich3006 » Wed May 31, 2017 2:51 pm

kalenclayton wrote:.

bwgood77 wrote:.

I could aquire a MIN 1st (lotto-protected in 2018; have to check the protection in the upcoming years) via Atlanta so what about...

Nuggets trade: Barton, DEN 2018 1st (top-10 protected), MIN 2018 1st (lotto-protected) or Mudiay
Nuggets aquire: Bledsoe
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Suns trade: Bledsoe, Knight
Suns aquire: Clarkson, Barton, DEN 2018 1st
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Kings trade: Clarkson
Kings aquire: Knight, MIN 2018 1st or Mudiay
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1570 » by DerrickNoah » Wed May 31, 2017 3:13 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
DerrickNoah wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
Indy has an ugly offer..

Ian Mahinmi, Kris Dunn... We'd add all the seconds you want. Or Jordan Mickey / Niang / Wade Baldwin?

We have to send out Ian for salaries.. Which hurts any offer we make obviously, unless you are a fan of Dunn. Which no one seems to be.

How many 2nd rounders?


Well the Pacers seconds are tied up with the protection on the one we owe Brooklyn.. So any I trade have to be 31-44 protected until Brooklyn gets our second...

So 2-3 of those?

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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1571 » by jayjaysee » Wed May 31, 2017 3:17 pm

DerrickNoah wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
DerrickNoah wrote:How many 2nd rounders?


Well the Pacers seconds are tied up with the protection on the one we owe Brooklyn.. So any I trade have to be 31-44 protected until Brooklyn gets our second...

So 2-3 of those?

No thx


Good cause Nas made me feel bad about my roster and I wanted to back out of my offer :(

Sorry you didn't get TT like you wanted though.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1572 » by kalenclayton » Wed May 31, 2017 3:19 pm

Ayatollah wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:.

bwgood77 wrote:.

I could aquire a MIN 1st (lotto-protected in 2018; have to check the protection in the upcoming years) via Atlanta so what about...

Nuggets trade: Barton, DEN 2018 1st (top-10 protected), MIN 2018 1st (lotto-protected) or Mudiay
Nuggets aquire: Bledsoe
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Suns trade: Bledsoe, Knight
Suns aquire: Clarkson, Barton, DEN 2018 1st
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Kings trade: Clarkson
Kings aquire: Knight, MIN 2018 1st or Mudiay

This is something I could consider. I like the MIN 1st over Mudiay (depending on the protection). I wonder what the Suns think.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1573 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 31, 2017 3:24 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
Ayatollah wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:.

bwgood77 wrote:.

I could aquire a MIN 1st (lotto-protected in 2018; have to check the protection in the upcoming years) via Atlanta so what about...

Nuggets trade: Barton, DEN 2018 1st (top-10 protected), MIN 2018 1st (lotto-protected) or Mudiay
Nuggets aquire: Bledsoe
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Suns trade: Bledsoe, Knight
Suns aquire: Clarkson, Barton, DEN 2018 1st
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Kings trade: Clarkson
Kings aquire: Knight, MIN 2018 1st or Mudiay

This is something I could consider. I like the MIN 1st over Mudiay (depending on the protection). I wonder what the Suns think.


No, I'm not interested.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1574 » by DerrickNoah » Wed May 31, 2017 3:29 pm

NashtyNas wrote:
DerrickNoah wrote:I just want something comparable to the agreed upon CLE trade,before he disappeared.
"Dwight for Tristan, Shump, 3-2nd rd picks"
I just do not want 60M frontcourt while ATL is retooling.


What about Gortat, Delly, Pondexter for Dwight?

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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1575 » by kalenclayton » Wed May 31, 2017 3:31 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:
Ayatollah wrote:
I could aquire a MIN 1st (lotto-protected in 2018; have to check the protection in the upcoming years) via Atlanta so what about...

Nuggets trade: Barton, DEN 2018 1st (top-10 protected), MIN 2018 1st (lotto-protected) or Mudiay
Nuggets aquire: Bledsoe
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Suns trade: Bledsoe, Knight
Suns aquire: Clarkson, Barton, DEN 2018 1st
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Kings trade: Clarkson
Kings aquire: Knight, MIN 2018 1st or Mudiay

This is something I could consider. I like the MIN 1st over Mudiay (depending on the protection). I wonder what the Suns think.


No, I'm not interested.

Well that ended quickly. :)
Thank you for letting us know though. Which part are you not interested in? Are you looking to dump Knight?
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1576 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 31, 2017 3:39 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:This is something I could consider. I like the MIN 1st over Mudiay (depending on the protection). I wonder what the Suns think.


No, I'm not interested.

Well that ended quickly. :)
Thank you for letting us know though. Which part are you not interested in? Are you looking to dump Knight?


I think it's a reasonable offer, and in hindsight, had I drafted Fox or Smith or Frank instead of Tatum I might pull the trigger, but that leaves me without a real starting PG. I'll keep an open mind as the offseason plays out and free agency happens and maybe I figure something out that makes that deal worthwhile. I don't want to jump to conlusions as I don't know how mine and everyone else's roster will shake out.

That leaves me with Ulis and Evans as my two point guards...two undersized 1st and 2nd year guys. That is just way too thin.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1577 » by kalenclayton » Wed May 31, 2017 3:41 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
No, I'm not interested.

Well that ended quickly. :)
Thank you for letting us know though. Which part are you not interested in? Are you looking to dump Knight?


I think it's a reasonable offer, and in hindsight, had I drafted Fox or Smith or Frank instead of Tatum I might pull the trigger, but that leaves me without a real starting PG. I'll keep an open mind as the offseason plays out and free agency happens and maybe I figure something out that makes that deal worthwhile. I don't want to jump to conlusions as I don't know how mine and everyone else's roster will shake out.

That leaves me with Ulis and Evans as my two point guards...two undersized 1st and 2nd year guys. That is just way too thin.

Totally understandable. I just wanted to understand why. I appreciate the explanation.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1578 » by stitches » Wed May 31, 2017 4:35 pm

bwgood77 wrote:.

Do you have any interest in the package I can get from OKC for Favors(Wright, Sabonis + top 5 protected first 2020) + another first round pick(better of OKC/UTA 2018))?


Do you have any interest in Dellavedova?

What about something like this:

UTA gets Bledsoe
IND gets Sabonis
PHX gets Dellavedova + better of UTA/OKC 2018 pick + OKC 2020(top 5 protected)

?
jayjaysee are you interested?
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Delly is in Indiana right now, right? I'm not missing something? Or was he in Washington? I'm losing track already.

NashtyNas would you be interested in something like Sabonis+Wright for Dellavedova(in case Delly is in WAS?)?
NashtyNas wrote:.


Or ... is Reggie Jackson available, DocRI? Is PHX interested in him? Maybe something like:

UTA gets Bledsoe
DET gets Sabonis + Wright
PHX gets Reggie Jackson + better of UTA/OKC 2018 pick + OKC 2020(top 5 protected)

?

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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1579 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 31, 2017 4:55 pm

stitches wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:.

Do you have any interest in the package I can get from OKC for Favors(Wright, Sabonis + top 5 protected first 2020) + another first round pick(better of OKC/UTA 2018))?


Do you have any interest in Dellavedova?

What about something like this:

UTA gets Bledsoe
IND gets Sabonis
PHX gets Dellavedova + better of UTA/OKC 2018 pick + OKC 2020(top 5 protected)

?
jayjaysee are you interested?
jayjaysee wrote:.


Delly is in Indiana right now, right? I'm not missing something?


Or ... is Reggie Jackson available, DocRI? Is PHX interested in him? Maybe something like:

UTA gets Bledsoe
DET gets Sabonis + Wright
PHX gets Reggie Jackson + better of UTA/OKC 2018 pick + OKC 2020(top 5 protected)

?

DocRI wrote:.


Not a whole lot considering the same reasons mentioned about the last trade proposal above. I don't think much of Dellavedova.
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Re: Mock Off-Season: Stage 1 

Post#1580 » by stitches » Wed May 31, 2017 4:57 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Not a whole lot considering the same reasons mentioned about the last trade proposal above. I don't think much of Dellavedova.

What about Reggie Jackson?

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