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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1341 » by raptor jesus » Wed May 31, 2017 3:21 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:This kid just keeps looking leaner and leaner...the Sully comparison is as lazy as he is.



Jared has NEVER looked that lean and really at this point Caleb looks no different than the vast majority of NBA bigs.


Elton Brand is a good comp.


Not really. Brand was an elite shot blocker at college and during his prime, and was more athletic all-around. Similar measurements, although Brand was also longer.
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Post#1342 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 31, 2017 3:31 pm

raptor jesus wrote:
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PhilBlackson wrote:This kid just keeps looking leaner and leaner...the Sully comparison is as lazy as he is.



Jared has NEVER looked that lean and really at this point Caleb looks no different than the vast majority of NBA bigs.


Elton Brand is a good comp.


Not really. Brand was an elite shot blocker at college and during his prime, and was more athletic all-around. Similar measurements, although Brand was also longer.

What about Z-BO+ 3pt shooting?
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1343 » by Rejected » Wed May 31, 2017 3:33 pm

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The point guard at 00:52 looks like every YMCA pick up ball Hof I hated playing against haha

Jonah Bolden look at like he could be a great fit


All he does is dunk. Last time I checked you need more skills.
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1344 » by PhilBlackson » Wed May 31, 2017 3:47 pm

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The point guard at 00:52 looks like every YMCA pick up ball Hof I hated playing against haha

Jonah Bolden look at like he could be a great fit


All he does is dunk. Last time I checked you need more skills.


There are other highlights that were provided earlier in this thread that have shown he has various other skills (ie/ mid-range & 3pt shooting, defence etc)

I suggest you take the time to scroll back through the last few pages to ease your concerns.
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1345 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 31, 2017 3:51 pm

I'm really into Jordan Bell rn. I'm gonna do a write up on him soon. But he seems like he can molded into a great supporting piece.
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1346 » by arbsn » Wed May 31, 2017 4:01 pm

Shooters:
Leaf
Justin Jackson
Ferguson
Bacon

Bigs:
Giles
Rabb
Bam
Bell

I'd prefer a shooter but would be happy with any of those picks
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1347 » by Rejected » Wed May 31, 2017 4:05 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
Rejected wrote:
GRidge wrote:

The point guard at 00:52 looks like every YMCA pick up ball Hof I hated playing against haha

Jonah Bolden look at like he could be a great fit


All he does is dunk. Last time I checked you need more skills.


There are other highlights that were provided earlier in this thread that have shown he has various other skills (ie/ mid-range & 3pt shooting, defence etc)

I suggest you take the time to scroll back through the last few pages to ease your concerns.


I feel like I've seen enough. Decision made.
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Post#1348 » by CoachJReturns » Wed May 31, 2017 5:10 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Elton Brand is a good comp.


Not really. Brand was an elite shot blocker at college and during his prime, and was more athletic all-around. Similar measurements, although Brand was also longer.

What about Z-BO+ 3pt shooting?

I still come back to Sully, but with potentially better 3 point shooting. Sully is heavier, but Swanigan doesn't look any faster than him anyway. I'm not really a Swanigan backer, but a healthy Sully with a 3 point shot is certainly good value in the 20s. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to look over the drafts of the past 20 years available online and see that the majority of players drafted outside the lottery don't amount to a whole lot. Swanigan's high likelihood of being a defensive liability are why I wouldn't pick him, but I understand why others would want him. He can play.
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1349 » by Morse Code » Wed May 31, 2017 5:11 pm

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All he does is dunk. Last time I checked you need more skills.


There are other highlights that were provided earlier in this thread that have shown he has various other skills (ie/ mid-range & 3pt shooting, defence etc)

I suggest you take the time to scroll back through the last few pages to ease your concerns.


I feel like I've seen enough. Decision made.

If you've seen enough you wouldn't say that. He shoots 40% from 3, can attack close outs off the dribble and either get to the rim or pull up in the mid range. He crashes the offensive glass, blocks/alters shots, and he can iso.
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Post#1350 » by CoachJReturns » Wed May 31, 2017 5:26 pm

Currently want(of guys likely available):

Rabb
Pasecniks


Fine with(in this order):

Evans
Semi
Lydon
Jeanne
Ferguson
Wilson
Leaf
Jackson
Kuzma
Hart
Swanigan
Adebayo
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Post#1351 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 31, 2017 5:29 pm

CoachJReturns wrote:Currently want(of guys likely available):

Rabb
Pasecniks


Fine with(in this order):

Evans
Semi
Lydon
Jeanne
Ferguson
Wilson
Leaf
Jackson
Kuzma
Hart
Swanigan
Adebayo

Curious what you see in Rabb. I don't see anything too appealing from him besides his IQ.

Also I don't know anything about Paseknics can you give me a summary of the guy
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1352 » by VanWest82 » Wed May 31, 2017 5:41 pm

Psubs wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:This kid just keeps looking leaner and leaner...the Sully comparison is as lazy as he is.



Jared has NEVER looked that lean and really at this point Caleb looks no different than the vast majority of NBA bigs.


Elton Brand is a good comp.


Elton Brand was a very good defender. And for those saying Z-Bo, he was also (and still is) a very good defender.

I can't find any evidence that Caleb is capable defending PnR, or even that he consistently makes good help decisions. If I'm just missing something, please correct me. The better comparison IMO is a slightly less talented Jahlil Okafor, and I'm just not sure how you win in today's NBA with back line defender like that.
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Post#1353 » by Kevin Willis » Wed May 31, 2017 5:49 pm

CPT wrote:Finally caught up on this thread (at least I was when I started writing this post).

I'm still at the point where I want to know more about pretty much everyone, and haven't even watched all the DX vids on everyone yet, but the guys I'm most interested in who might/should be around at 23:

Swanigan
Semi
Adebayo
Hartenstein

A few more who I think are interesting:
Kurucs
Jeanne
Ferguson (is it bad that I was more interested when I thought he was Australian? It's bad, right?)
Giles
Leaf (I think he's getting the unathletic white guy treatment, and I'm not sure if it's accurate)
Bolden
Bell

Not so high on:
Lydon
Wilson

On a side note:
Anyone else find something strange about Peter Jok's shot? I don't know if it's a slow gather or low release or what, but I thought it looked weird in the video I saw. It actually looked more fluid in the game clips I saw though, so maybe it doesn't mean anything.

Look forward to the continued discussion here.


I like your grouping although the order of the grouping differs

Tier 1A

Kurucs
Jeanne
Ferguson
Giles
Leaf
Bolden
Bell

Tier 1B

Lydon
Wilson

Tier 1C

Swanigan
Semi
Adebayo
Hartenstein

1A has stash prospects (Kurucs, Jeanne), some unknowns worth taking a risk on (Ferguson, Giles, Boldon) and some solid PFs that can contribute (Leaf, Bell).

1B stretch 4s.

1C guys that I wouldn't be mad if we drafted them because they have certain assets that the team could be used but I question upside. I might put Sem in 1B and replace him with Iwundu in 1C but pretty much similar.
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Re: RE: Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1354 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 31, 2017 6:05 pm

VanWest82 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:This kid just keeps looking leaner and leaner...the Sully comparison is as lazy as he is.



Jared has NEVER looked that lean and really at this point Caleb looks no different than the vast majority of NBA bigs.


Elton Brand is a good comp.


Elton Brand was a very good defender. And for those saying Z-Bo, he was also (and still is) a very good defender.

I can't find any evidence that Caleb is capable defending PnR, or even that he consistently makes good help decisions. If I'm just missing something, please correct me. The better comparison IMO is a slightly less talented Jahlil Okafor, and I'm just not sure how you win in today's NBA with back line defender like that.

Yeah after watching what happened to more talented players in JV/Kanter. Any big that cant handle the PnR has major question marks for me.
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Post#1355 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Wed May 31, 2017 6:11 pm

I'd be good with Jordan Bell as well. He seems like he can play in many iterations of our lineup, and can compete against dudes like Love, Thompson, Green, etc. He just has to develop a bit more offensively. You take him if you think he's got DPOY potential.
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Post#1356 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 31, 2017 6:12 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I'd be good with Jordan Bell as well. He seems like he can play in many iterations of our lineup, and can compete against dudes like Love, Thompson, Green, etc. He just has to develop a bit more offensively. You take him if you think he's got DPOY potential.

He's an underrated passer too. Top 10 in assists among bigs and ast/TO ratio.
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Post#1357 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Wed May 31, 2017 6:14 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I'd be good with Jordan Bell as well. He seems like he can play in many iterations of our lineup, and can compete against dudes like Love, Thompson, Green, etc. He just has to develop a bit more offensively. You take him if you think he's got DPOY potential.

He's an underrated passer too. Top 10 in assists among bigs and ast/TO ratio.


Yep. He can move the ball, offensively, and put it on the floor a bit.
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Post#1358 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed May 31, 2017 6:27 pm

With Swanigan he had a really nice improvement from year 1 to 2 that maybe is evidence of his work ethic paying off. I think he could have a role like Kaminsky, eventually.
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Re: RE: Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1359 » by Patman » Wed May 31, 2017 6:35 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Elton Brand is a good comp.


Not really. Brand was an elite shot blocker at college and during his prime, and was more athletic all-around. Similar measurements, although Brand was also longer.

What about Z-BO+ 3pt shooting?


So, closer to a Rasheed Wallace?
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Re: RE: Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#1360 » by raptor jesus » Wed May 31, 2017 6:42 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Elton Brand is a good comp.


Not really. Brand was an elite shot blocker at college and during his prime, and was more athletic all-around. Similar measurements, although Brand was also longer.

What about Z-BO+ 3pt shooting?


I think that's quite lofty as well. I don't really see Swanigan as a virtuoso scorer in the post at the next level. Not big on player comps to project these guys, but I see something like a better (passing, scoring around the basket more) version of Mo Speights.

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