Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[BoyzNTheHood]

I'd be good with Jordan Bell as well. He seems like he can play in many iterations of our lineup, and can compete against dudes like Love, Thompson, Green, etc. He just has to develop a bit more offensively. You take him if you think he's got DPOY potential.

He's an underrated passer too. Top 10 in assists among bigs and ast/TO ratio.

After Justin Jackson went back to Maryland Jordan Bell became my #1 target. The kid is going to be good. I don't think his value will always show up statistically, but he's a game changing talent. I said it earlier, if he develops a 3 he'll make himself very rich and would be worthy of a lottery selection in this draft.

1) Jordan Bell
2) Jonah Bolden
3) Bam Adebayo
4) Ivan Rabb
5) Semi Ojeleye

...based on the DX mock.

[CoachJReturns]

Currently want(of guys likely available):

Rabb
Pasecniks


Fine with(in this order):

Evans
Semi
Lydon
Jeanne
Ferguson
Wilson
Leaf
Jackson
Kuzma
Hart
Swanigan
Adebayo

Curious what you see in Rabb. I don't see anything too appealing from him besides his IQ.

Also I don't know anything about Paseknics can you give me a summary of the guy

Rabb can run the floor, rebound(2nd best in this draft behind Swanigan), showed some progress as a shooter as he made some 3s at a decent rate, can score in the post, passes well overall and has solid athleticism and good length. Biggest issue is he is not a good perimeter defender. Should improve, given his athleticism, but likely won’t ever be Draymond defending the 3 point line. Still, he could potentially be good at just about everything else, so I'm pretty high on him. I think his potential is higher than many give him credit for.

Pasecniks is my homerun pick. A 7’2 giant who can run the floor, may have a developing 3 point shot and blocks shots at an okay clip. He could be mediocre, but at 7’2 if he has the work ethic he could be a stud from this draft. The potential is there.

[RaptorPride]

Would you guys trade CoJo for Stanley Johnson if we can't get the 12th pick?

[BoyzNTheHood]

Would you guys trade CoJo for Stanley Johnson if we can't get the 12th pick?

I doubt Detroit does that no matter how much SVG hates Stanley Johnson. But that would be a no brainer in my book from our perspective.

[CoachJReturns]

Would you guys trade CoJo for Stanley Johnson if we can't get the 12th pick?

I doubt Detroit does that no matter how much SVG hates Stanley Johnson. But that would be a no brainer in my book from our perspective.

Yep. He's been pretty bad in his first 2 years, but he's still young and we would only be trading a backup point guard. We have Delon, who is at a similar level to Cojo, so we would have virtually nothing to lose and everything to gain if Johnson panned out.

[HeadtopChunes]

Thoughts on Iwundu?

[OAKLEY_2]

Would you guys trade CoJo for Stanley Johnson if we can't get the 12th pick?

In what freakin' world does Cory fetch the 12th let alone Stanley Johnson? Somebody reamed me out like I suggested the Cory for 12th. Was not me. Norm would be lucky to fetch the 12th and I would never deal him for that pick.

[Mark_83]

Who are the players in our range?
Who should we draft?

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Ugh, I'm gonna be pissed if someone takes him before us now. The guy's going to be a stud. Shuttup Fraschilla we don't need you pumping him up. lol

[MavCarter]

Cory is on a 1 year expiring and even if he wasn't he's not getting you 12 or stanley johnson lol

[Wally West]

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[Wally West]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with the notion that we can get the #12 pick for Cory Joseph.

Might have to be Joseph + 23 for 12, and we only do it if we're in love with someone at 12 anyway. Cory's still a highly useful player for us so it's not like we're giving up nothing. He's also one of the only players on the team who could possibly fetch a 1st. Hate to lose him for nothing the following year

Who would we even take at 12? Anunoby? Mitchell maybe

Definitely Mitchell.

[Syd-TK3]

Thoughts on Iwundu?

He's underated
Looks like he could be a serious 3&D wing if his 3point shot continues to get better like it did.
Hes got good measurements
Probably his best quality is how much of a playmayker he is for his position.
If we had a second round pick I'd really consider him he'd fit very well

[OAKLEY_2]

Might have to be Joseph + 23 for 12, and we only do it if we're in love with someone at 12 anyway. Cory's still a highly useful player for us so it's not like we're giving up nothing. He's also one of the only players on the team who could possibly fetch a 1st. Hate to lose him for nothing the following year

Who would we even take at 12? Anunoby? Mitchell maybe

Definitely Mitchell.

Flip a coin. Mitchell has that healthy Derrick Rose kind of vibe. Like OG a lot.

[TorontoRapsFan]

Would you guys trade CoJo for Stanley Johnson if we can't get the 12th pick?

In what freakin' world does Cory fetch the 12th let alone Stanley Johnson? Somebody reamed me out like I suggested the Cory for 12th. Was not me. Norm would be lucky to fetch the 12th and I would never deal him for that pick.

I think Cory is appealing to the pistons. Whether him and some thing else, or even him alone, can get us their pick is all about the draft. If the pistons can't get a guard they like, Joseph would be ideal to have as a player to split minutes with Jackson, and get evaluated for the one year on his contract, as a possible Jackson replacement. But then if Pistons can trade Jackson for a guard they like around draft time, then no they wouldn't trade the pick for Joseph and a sweetner. Probably not even for Joseph and 23. But there is definitely a chance there as trade partners for Joseph.

[Syd-TK3]

Might have to be Joseph + 23 for 12, and we only do it if we're in love with someone at 12 anyway. Cory's still a highly useful player for us so it's not like we're giving up nothing. He's also one of the only players on the team who could possibly fetch a 1st. Hate to lose him for nothing the following year

Who would we even take at 12? Anunoby? Mitchell maybe

Definitely Mitchell.

Probably in the minority but I'd take Mitchell in that situation as well over OG

[OAKLEY_2]

Would you guys trade CoJo for Stanley Johnson if we can't get the 12th pick?

In what freakin' world does Cory fetch the 12th let alone Stanley Johnson? Somebody reamed me out like I suggested the Cory for 12th. Was not me. Norm would be lucky to fetch the 12th and I would never deal him for that pick.

I think Cory is appealing to the pistons. Whether him and some thing else, or even him alone, can get us their pick is all about the draft. If the pistons can't get a guard they like, Joseph would be ideal to have as a player to split minutes with Jackson, and get evaluated for the one year on his contract, as a possible Jackson replacement. But then if Pistons can trade Jackson for a guard they like around draft time, then no they wouldn't trade the pick for Joseph and a sweetner. Probably not even for Joseph and 23. But there is definitely a chance there as trade partners for Joseph.

I was always on the trade Joseph no-brainer bandwagon but shelling out 30+ for KL is a scary scenario. If we could get Mitchell as a guard I might walk from Lowry. Then Joseph is suddenly important to us. It is one of those thank me later situations. Then you can sell high on Demar or not whatever the pleasure. We will not know what kind of build we have until we are in it. Will Masai walk from Lowry? See the fire Casey file for the answer to that question. If the Pistons actually want no part of the 12th and like Joseph and say the Weltman pick I would think Masai was a genius.

[HeadtopChunes]

In what freakin' world does Cory fetch the 12th let alone Stanley Johnson? Somebody reamed me out like I suggested the Cory for 12th. Was not me. Norm would be lucky to fetch the 12th and I would never deal him for that pick.

I think Cory is appealing to the pistons. Whether him and some thing else, or even him alone, can get us their pick is all about the draft. If the pistons can't get a guard they like, Joseph would be ideal to have as a player to split minutes with Jackson, and get evaluated for the one year on his contract, as a possible Jackson replacement. But then if Pistons can trade Jackson for a guard they like around draft time, then no they wouldn't trade the pick for Joseph and a sweetner. Probably not even for Joseph and 23. But there is definitely a chance there as trade partners for Joseph.

I was always on the trade Joseph no-brainer bandwagon but shelling out 30+ for KL is a scary scenario. If we could get Mitchell as a guard I might walk from Lowry. Then Joseph is suddenly important to us. It is one of those thank me later situations. Then you can sell high on Demar or not whatever the pleasure. We will not know what kind of build we have until we are in it. Will Masai walk from Lowry? See the fire Casey file for the answer to that question. If the Pistons actually want no part of the 12th and like Joseph and say the Weltman pick I would think Masai was a genius.

I don't think Mitchell can replace Lowry. Maybe a couple years down the line he'll be a good starter. But he's not even a real PG. More of a SG in a PGs body. We'd just end up being a 30-40 win team

[OAKLEY_2]

I think Cory is appealing to the pistons. Whether him and some thing else, or even him alone, can get us their pick is all about the draft. If the pistons can't get a guard they like, Joseph would be ideal to have as a player to split minutes with Jackson, and get evaluated for the one year on his contract, as a possible Jackson replacement. But then if Pistons can trade Jackson for a guard they like around draft time, then no they wouldn't trade the pick for Joseph and a sweetner. Probably not even for Joseph and 23. But there is definitely a chance there as trade partners for Joseph.

I was always on the trade Joseph no-brainer bandwagon but shelling out 30+ for KL is a scary scenario. If we could get Mitchell as a guard I might walk from Lowry. Then Joseph is suddenly important to us. It is one of those thank me later situations. Then you can sell high on Demar or not whatever the pleasure. We will not know what kind of build we have until we are in it. Will Masai walk from Lowry? See the fire Casey file for the answer to that question. If the Pistons actually want no part of the 12th and like Joseph and say the Weltman pick I would think Masai was a genius.

I don't think Mitchell can replace Lowry. Maybe a couple years down the line he'll be a good starter. But he's not even a real PG. More of a SG in a PGs body. We'd just end up being a 30-40 win team

That's what we thought when we traded Gay for party favours.

[HeadtopChunes]

I was always on the trade Joseph no-brainer bandwagon but shelling out 30+ for KL is a scary scenario. If we could get Mitchell as a guard I might walk from Lowry. Then Joseph is suddenly important to us. It is one of those thank me later situations. Then you can sell high on Demar or not whatever the pleasure. We will not know what kind of build we have until we are in it. Will Masai walk from Lowry? See the fire Casey file for the answer to that question. If the Pistons actually want no part of the 12th and like Joseph and say the Weltman pick I would think Masai was a genius.

I don't think Mitchell can replace Lowry. Maybe a couple years down the line he'll be a good starter. But he's not even a real PG. More of a SG in a PGs body. We'd just end up being a 30-40 win team

That's what we thought when we traded Gay for party favours.

That's a very unlikely situation. The only way it works is if Demar becomes the PG and Mitchell/Norm his Kyrie.

[Mikistan]

I'd be good with Jordan Bell as well. He seems like he can play in many iterations of our lineup, and can compete against dudes like Love, Thompson, Green, etc. He just has to develop a bit more offensively. You take him if you think he's got DPOY potential.

He's an underrated passer too. Top 10 in assists among bigs and ast/TO ratio.

After Justin Jackson went back to Maryland Jordan Bell became my #1 target. The kid is going to be good. I don't think his value will always show up statistically, but he's a game changing talent. I said it earlier, if he develops a 3 he'll make himself very rich and would be worthy of a lottery selection in this draft.

1) Jordan Bell
2) Jonah Bolden
3) Bam Adebayo
4) Ivan Rabb
5) Semi Ojeleye

...based on the DX mock.

Jordan Bell

29 minutes per game
7 shots per game
no 3s
2.3 blocks 1.3 steals
almost 9 rebounds per game
11 points per game

6 9 heigh 6 11+ wingspan

whilehe doesnt have the measurements Bolden or Swanigan have - he has the steal and blocks stats they have COMBINED. Interesting, need to watch some tape on this lad
is he defending the 3 and the 4? is he playing cleanup on offense or does he have slashing skills?