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The case for Jonathan Isaac

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Post#21 » by Mr Magic Fan » Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:53 am

djhunkyherbs wrote:Nice post. I think there is a lot to like about Isaac, and the sky is the limit for him. What worries me, though, is his role on this team. I agree that ideally he would be a perfect fit next to Gordon, especially defensively, but for a team that desperately needs more offense, I'm just not sure if Isaac is the answer. The starting 5 that you described, Payton/Ross/Isaac/Gordon/Biyombo, would almost certainly be one of the worst offenses in the NBA, if not the worst, and it wouldn't even be that much better if you substituted Vucevic for Biyombo.

What the Magic sorely lack, in my opinion, is a go-to scorer, or someone who you can rely on to get buckets when the team desperately needs them. The Magic have tried to turn several guys on the roster into this go-to scoring option, and none of it has really worked. Can Isaac be that guy? I'm skeptical, and in the little bit I saw from him at FSU he looked passive, which has me worried.

With that being said, though, Isaac obviously has a ton of potential and if he can put it all together he can be a very good player. Dennis Smith, Jr. is still my guy, but if the Magic do pick Isaac I won't be that upset.

I love DSJ game when he's engaged. However his body language was very poor at times and he showed some selfish tendencies where he would pound the ball and look off teammates. If the staff can conclude it was an anomaly because NC state was so bad and that he is coachable then awesome. Otherwise I think he can bust or end up as a guy who puts up stats but doesn't really impact a game positively. It's a very tough call at 6.

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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#22 » by Skin » Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:28 am

~Snoopy~ wrote:Classic Skin
advocating for one player just to change mind in the end :lol:
Im not sure he wont change mind next week making a case for some other player or trading a pick ofc its not a crime :D
just saying

still interesting read

We're way before the end. ... and I reserve the right the right to change my mind. Lol :wink:
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#24 » by p0peye » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:27 am

If DSJ is off the board at the time we pick, I'm all for Isaac. I don't think we should be looking for a guy which fits next to Gordon (or anyone else on our roster). We are looking for a guy to build around.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#25 » by fendilim » Thu Jun 1, 2017 8:05 am

p0peye wrote:If DSJ is off the board at the time we pick, I'm all for Isaac. I don't think we should be looking for a guy which fits next to Gordon (or anyone else on our roster). We are looking for a guy to build around.

But is he a guy to build around?
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#26 » by npiper17 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 9:05 am

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Mr Magic Fan wrote:Count me in the camp that is torn on Isaac and DSJ. I think both have enormous upside but huge question marks as well. If we walk away with one of those 2 at 6 I'll be happy. If we go Isaac at 6, I'm definitely pulling for any way to get Juwan Evans.

I think that seems to bet he board consensus here.

Scenario 1). Take Isaac with the 6th and go after a sleeper PG in Jawun Evans with the 25th.

Scenario 2). Take DSJr with the 6th and focus on wings with the 25th. I'm looking at players like Dillon Brooks, Josh Hart, Terence Ferguson, Kennard or even Thornwell.

Personally I go with hidden Scenario 3. Make a call to Thibs and tell him you can have anybody on the roster not named Aaron Gordon for that 7th pick. Come out the draft with BOTH DSJr and Isaac. That would be a pure win.


I've been thinking about how we could potentially get Smith and Isaac. The only way I see it happening is to give a player from our roster not named Gordon (as you suggest) along with a future first. I realise that's a lot to give up but I don't see why the Wolves would choose any of the players from our roster over the 7th pick in a draft like this. If we think next year's draft is going to be weaker, do we dangle our 2018 unprotected first (or maybe top 3 protected)? Certainly worth thinking about imo.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#27 » by Nemesis21 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 9:26 am

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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#28 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 9:39 am

"It's hard to pass on Isaac for a PG (no matter how good) because PGs come along every year"

That notion is simply false. Especially last few years where we see every year another "Unicorn" type of player pops out, and yet ,we didn't see star level PG drafted in lottery since Lillard 5 years ago. In mean time we got : KAT , Porzingis, Turner, Booker, Wiggins, Davis, Gordon, Embiid , Saric , Parker, Randle , Lavine... It feels like getting star PG is harder than winning lottery.

Also saying that he is perfect fit next to Gordon is claim, not fact. We all thought that Ibaka is great fit next to Vučević, until we figured out he isn't. The thing is -you don't know until you see.

I'm fine with team drafting him but , much like Ball i'm not sure that he is "lead" star on good team or more like supporting type "Robin to Batman" player. And Magic are in desperate need of "caped crusader" .
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#29 » by The Real Dalic » Thu Jun 1, 2017 10:04 am

I'm really not a big fan but wouldn't be angry if we took him, just disappointed.

I do find it funny that most of his biggest supporters are FSU fans though.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#30 » by fendilim » Thu Jun 1, 2017 10:20 am

The Real Dalic wrote:I'm really not a big fan but wouldn't be angry if we took him, just disappointed.

I do find it funny that most of his biggest supporters are FSU fans though.

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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#31 » by Patrick1978 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 10:25 am

I like isaac a lot and i think Skin is right about him but our biggest need is scoring/shooting
For this i think our front office goes with dsj, tatum,monk.
They might even consider markaanen
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#32 » by Nemesis21 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 11:15 am

fendilim wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:I'm really not a big fan but wouldn't be angry if we took him, just disappointed.

I do find it funny that most of his biggest supporters are FSU fans though.

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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#33 » by Nemesis21 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 11:17 am

Patrick1978 wrote:I like isaac a lot and i think Skin is right about him but our biggest need is scoring/shooting
For this i think our front office goes with dsj, tatum,monk.
They might even consider markaanen



Don't forget defense Patrick. Isaac brings all 3, scoring/shooting/defense
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#34 » by Skybox » Thu Jun 1, 2017 12:09 pm

I like it...I don't think it's the safest pick, but it does present the best opportunity for a whole different long term look. Tatum is great, but midrange one on one guys are the opposite of revolutionary - He'll get his points but will he impact wins to the same degree? DSJ, Monk -same thing...they are both great talents, who will contribute immediately, but I have this idea of Isaac potentially becoming something bigger and more unique (like Giannis, but different :wink: ). If the FO and Vogel see a innovative way to develop, integrate, and utilize Isaac, it makes the Magic a lot more interesting than a team of "my turn your turn" scorers (which I understand we have been the opposite of to a terrible extent)...they're all strong options, but Isaac is the most intriguing and creative direction. Would be gutsier.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#35 » by nymets1 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 12:59 pm

I wonder how we all would feel if Isaac went to UF or UCF instead of FSU? I root for UF and UCF 1st before FSU so I probably be more on Isaac if he was on the Gators or the Knights than the Seminoles. I feel there's a 100% chance Isaac will available at 6th, the question is will we actually pick him? I believe when we are on the clock at 6 and we are debating between 2 or 3 players to select, Isaac will be one of the guys they are serious about taking.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#36 » by PennytoShaq » Thu Jun 1, 2017 3:31 pm

As an FSU fan I have been on the Isaac train as long as anybody. I am down to him or DSJ as my top 2. I do like Tatum for the Magic as well, but Isaac has a crazy high ceiling. I also agree that the whole "win now" thing is overrated because we are not beating Cleveland for 2-3 years and we will need star players to even do it. Additionally, if we did beat Cleveland one day, we would have to face Golden State since Durant is taking less money to keep that team together. So you need a team who can match up against those guys. Gordon and Isaac would be able to defend Green and Durant as well as anybody could hope to.

This team will not be built in one draft. That is the problem some people have trouble understanding. If we can get 2 starters out of it, that would be a huge win.

Only reason we wouldn't get Isaac, imo, is because the depth of the PGs in this class. Ball, Fox, DSJ all could easily be NBA star players. And one will fall to us.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#37 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:13 pm

fendilim wrote:
p0peye wrote:If DSJ is off the board at the time we pick, I'm all for Isaac. I don't think we should be looking for a guy which fits next to Gordon (or anyone else on our roster). We are looking for a guy to build around.

But is he a guy to build around?


I think DSJ has a better chance of becoming the next Lilliard than Isaac becoming the next Dwight. That is a given.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#38 » by nymets1 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:52 pm

I thought Isaac would have played about the similar role if he went to UF, but if Isaac went to UCF he would have been the man and we woulda seen more of a leadership role and primary star on the team if he was on UCF.

I wonder how UCF coulda been with Isaac and if Adonys Henriquez didn't transfer from UCF to Saint Louis. I've seen Adonys and his friends before at la fitness in the basketball court. Isaac and Adonys together could have been some duo.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#39 » by Shady Franchise » Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:28 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
fendilim wrote:
p0peye wrote:If DSJ is off the board at the time we pick, I'm all for Isaac. I don't think we should be looking for a guy which fits next to Gordon (or anyone else on our roster). We are looking for a guy to build around.

But is he a guy to build around?


I think DSJ has a better chance of becoming the next Lilliard than Isaac becoming the next Dwight. That is a given.


Well DUH! Who is comparing Isaac to Dwight?
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#40 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:45 pm

Skybox wrote:I like it...I don't think it's the safest pick, but it does present the best opportunity for a whole different long term look. Tatum is great, but midrange one on one guys are the opposite of revolutionary - He'll get his points but will he impact wins to the same degree? DSJ, Monk -same thing...they are both great talents, who will contribute immediately, but I have this idea of Isaac potentially becoming something bigger and more unique (like Giannis, but different :wink: ). If the FO and Vogel see a innovative way to develop, integrate, and utilize Isaac, it makes the Magic a lot more interesting than a team of "my turn your turn" scorers (which I understand we have been the opposite of to a terrible extent)...they're all strong options, but Isaac is the most intriguing and creative direction. Would be gutsier.

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